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Post by Nikkol on Jun 25, 2009 7:00:09 GMT -5
Moved here since it's a different topic:
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Post by Nikkol on Jun 25, 2009 7:00:37 GMT -5
AND, even though I can appreciate and hear your warning, that is absolutely NOT what I said..... This is what I wrote: "I believe that just as there are positive and negative commandments in the Bible, there is what God DOES WILL and what God DOES NOT WILL.And, without playing with word, it is a fact that when talking about God's WILL, we are talking about what HE DOES WANT and what HE DOES NOT WANT. It is also a fact that WE don't have the power to put words in God's mouth, and no doubt that, when He speaks, and once it is spoken, then IT IS and IT IS SO... God commands, He does not suggest, put an offer on the table for negociation and asks for our thoughts about it..... What is a negative COMMANDMENT?? Here is one: 94. Not to burn the sacrificial portions of animals with disqualifying physical blemishes [as sacrifices on the altar], as [Leviticus 22:22] states: "Do not make a fire offering of them."When God says what He DOES NOT want, he is also saying what He DOES WANT. Along with that, I wrote: As I mentioned before, what God does NOT will is still His will.....If we go back to the beginning, God said: Genesis - Chapter 216. And the Lord God commanded man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat.
17. But of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat of it, for on the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die."
The choice, from the beginning, has always been between life and death, good and evil, light and darkness. From the beginning, God's will was established and perfect. In this case, God did not just give a negative commandment, He even told MAN the consequence if he did, very simply. God's will is for us to choose life, and to obey by doing what he commands us to do, and not doing what he commands us not to do. Jesus said: Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.He also said: Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
So, the key to life is love, and the key to love, His love, is not just to have but to keep His commandments. Obedience... You answered Nikkol's question: " Would it be better to just say "Everything that happens is part of God's will?" With: "No I still dont think that is 100% accurate becuise then it makes GOD responsible for all thing unjust and evil that occur as well.. " Could then the question be: "Was sin - or at least the potential for evil - part of God's plan?" |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Jun 25, 2009 7:04:45 GMT -5
Saints we are walking into dangerous ground when we start saying things like.. If its not God's will it is still His will... That is extremely dangerous at the least and completely erroneous at worst.. The scripture says that it is GOD's desire that NONE perish but that ALL MEN come to repentance.. but all men dont come to repentence... even though that is GOD's will and desire.. So are we then saying that it is GOD's will to send people to hell  That would be contradict what the scripture says... So we have to be VERY VERY careful whan we say that everything that occurs that is NOT God's will is still God's will.. Giants, I think you misunderstood the intent of what Nina said. What I got from it was this: If it's not God's will for me to marry Deacon Black, then I must accept that as part of GOD'S WILL. If it's not God's will for me to accept this particular job, then I must accept that as part of GOD'S WILL. etc..... That's how I took it anyway. So to put it another way, I must accept that what God doesn't want for me is part of His divine will for my life. Get it? |
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Post by Nikkol on Jun 25, 2009 7:08:49 GMT -5
Now this is definitely a different topic.....LOL. But I will say that maybe the problem is the "wording choice". Would it be better to just say "Everything that happens is part of God's will?" No I still dont think that is 100% accurate becuise then it makes GOD responsible for all thing unjust and evil that occur as well.. Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else. Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]. ]/b]
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 25, 2009 8:06:31 GMT -5
Saints we are walking into dangerous ground when we start saying things like.. If its not God's will it is still His will... That is extremely dangerous at the least and completely erroneous at worst.. The scripture says that it is GOD's desire that NONE perish but that ALL MEN come to repentance.. but all men dont come to repentence... even though that is GOD's will and desire.. So are we then saying that it is GOD's will to send people to hell That would be contradict what the scripture says... So we have to be VERY VERY careful whan we say that everything that occurs that is NOT God's will is still God's will.. Giants, I think you misunderstood the intent of what Nina said. What I got from it was this: If it's not God's will for me to marry Deacon Black, then I must accept that as part of GOD'S WILL. If it's not God's will for me to accept this particular job, then I must accept that as part of GOD'S WILL. etc..... That's how I took it anyway. So to put it another way, I must accept that what God doesn't want for me is part of His divine will for my life. Get it? Well THAT makes sense... If God is telling you NOT to do something then HE is declaring to you His Will.. That makes perfectly good sense... |
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 25, 2009 8:16:31 GMT -5
No I still dont think that is 100% accurate becuise then it makes GOD responsible for all thing unjust and evil that occur as well.. Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else. Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]. ]/b]
Ahhhh a very famous scripture but one that must be looked uop in the original hebrew to be properly understood... The phrase " create evil " in this text means " to allow calamity to happen "... The Word of GOD declares this... Psalm 145 17 The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works. Romans 9:14 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid That scripture is one that is often misunderstood because of the translation., but again it does not mean that God creates evil. God cannot create evil. The scripture shows us that all HIS works are HOLY.. That phrase means " to allow calamity to happen " which GOD does do. |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Jun 25, 2009 8:38:03 GMT -5
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Post by Nikkol on Jun 25, 2009 9:06:34 GMT -5
So your view is that there is something that was "created" that was not created by God. That being "evil" -- which you are saying was created by the devil, correct?
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Post by anointed on Jun 25, 2009 9:51:51 GMT -5
Another layer to consider
Where does this fit into the scheme of life:
Granted the bible says if you abide in him and he in you, you can ask what YOU will and it will be done. With the "will" that God gives man, why has he given it to us in the earth realm and it has to be more than to simply choose to live for him, for once a person is living right is there another "level" that God expects man to use a "purified will" in the earth realm? I hope this makes sense.
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Post by kanyon on Jun 25, 2009 13:48:48 GMT -5
When we are truly 'in' Him, we will desire the same things He does.
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Post by anointed on Jun 25, 2009 15:09:44 GMT -5
When we are truly 'in' Him, we will desire the same things He does. But is this meaning what that verse fully entails? |
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 25, 2009 19:12:22 GMT -5
So your view is that there is something that was "created" that was not created by God. That being "evil" -- which you are saying was created by the devil, correct? I am not sure I am understanding your question... Please clarify.. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Jun 25, 2009 19:48:29 GMT -5
I think we need to distinguish between God's will in a general sense and His will among those who are redeemed.
As far as this world system goes, God ultimately accepts responsibility for everything that happens. We all know what the end is going to be, and we know all the things that will happen to lead up to that. However, we also know what God desires to do in and through the Body of Christ as His instrument in the world. The two roles appear contradictory sometimes although they are actually complimentary.
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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 25, 2009 22:58:09 GMT -5
I think we need to distinguish between God's will in a general sense and His will among those who are redeemed. As far as this world system goes, God ultimately accepts responsibility for everything that happens. We all know what the end is going to be, and we know all the things that will happen to lead up to that. However, we also know what God desires to do in and through the Body of Christ as His instrument in the world. The two roles appear contradictory sometimes although they are actually complimentary. please use smaller words.. thank you... |
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Post by Nikkol on Jun 26, 2009 6:57:12 GMT -5
So your view is that there is something that was "created" that was not created by God. That being "evil" -- which you are saying was created by the devil, correct? I am not sure I am understanding your question... Please clarify.. In other words are you saying that the devil created evil? |
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That would be contradict what the scripture says...
