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Post by stillfocused on Oct 12, 2007 14:26:40 GMT -5
I know that this post may not get alot responses..yet, I realize the question of what true prophesy and the purpose of it is something that we all really need to take another look at. We have all been taught that prophesy is edify, to build, and encourage ( and not necessarily in that order). With all of that said..I have been asking myself if there is a major disservice done to believers both new and old.. when there is a word of prophesy spoken of one's that one's life holds greatness..yet, obivious and blatant sin is overlooked and not addressed. The woman who was caught in the act of adultery was not condemned..yet, Jesus told her to go and sin no more. Do you believe that this does more harm or good in the believer's life ?
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 12, 2007 19:19:45 GMT -5
I have been asking myself if there is a major disservice done to believers both new and old.. when there is a word of prophesy spoken of one's that one's life holds greatness..yet, obivious and blatant is overlooked and not addressed. Would you care to expound a little bit more on the above statement.......because to feel as if you are being overlooked and allowing God to work in you until the time is right is two different things....... Please clarify some more...this looks as if it could be an interesting topic... |
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 12, 2007 21:30:41 GMT -5
Yes please I am tryng to understand what you are saying here...
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 13, 2007 2:15:24 GMT -5
I think I understand what she is asking. I believe she is asking if its a disservice when "greatness" is prophesied over one's life, when other things pertaining to the individual is not addressed.
For use of example. Sister Cantolope has just been told by the prophet that the Lord is going to bless her greatly, and God is going to allow the gift of healing to flow through her. Now, folks at church know sister cantolope often uses her tongue as a weapon to tear down those who have physical ailments, or have taken on illness. The prophet didn't address this specific area in her life.
(I believe thats what still focused is asking, or saying)
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 13, 2007 8:57:08 GMT -5
Ok but if we are talking about TRUE prophecy prophecy doesnt come by the will of the speaker it comes by the will of GOD, so then how can we determine what GOD will speak and when and about what.
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Post by jasmine nsi on Oct 13, 2007 16:09:39 GMT -5
Ok but if we are talking about TRUE prophecy prophecy doesnt come by the will of the speaker it comes by the will of GOD, so then how can we determine what GOD will speak and when and about what. Absolutely. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Oct 14, 2007 0:34:13 GMT -5
I think I understand what she is asking. I believe she is asking if its a disservice when "greatness" is prophesied over one's life, when other things pertaining to the individual is not addressed. For use of example. Sister Cantolope has just been told by the prophet that the Lord is going to bless her greatly, and God is going to allow the gift of healing to flow through her. Now, folks at church know sister cantolope often uses her tongue as a weapon to tear down those who have physical ailments, or have taken on illness. The prophet didn't address this specific area in her life. Oh yeah, Sister Cantaloupe is going straight to HELL, you hear me? Just the other day, she was on the phone with my grandmother, the "sainted church mother" she's supposed to be, and she done told her all the stuff that another sister from the church told her in private. Ain't that something? And then, right before that, I overheard her telling my mom-- Wait a minute, that whole scenario was hypothetical, wasn't it? My bad, y'all carry on...... |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 15, 2007 1:15:50 GMT -5
Thanks Jasmine..for cleaning that up !! I have been on the bb for a couple of days. I will try to explain. LANL..it's not about being overlooked...it's the condition of one's heart. Often times when people come up for prayer that are not seeking to really know the heart of God concerning their lives; yet, they are looking for someone to gve them a word concerning their life and what they need to do. Now if I were to pray someone and I only told the good things that God was going to do their lives; yet, I neglect to tell them because there is an area of sin that God wants to deal with in their lives ? Have I truly given them the full counsel of God ? or have I only told with what they wanted to hear knowing that God requires a change in that area ? Now have I done them a disservice..by telling them God is going to bless their relationship and take it another level...knowing that they spouse they are with now is not their spouse but, someone else's ?
I am so sorry..I hope that clarifies things !!
GDD..you make a very true point
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Post by newmercies on Oct 15, 2007 1:22:40 GMT -5
Thanks Jasmine..for cleaning that up !! I have been on the bb for a couple of days. I will try to explain. LANL..it's not about being overlooked...it's the condition of one's heart. Often times when people come up for prayer that are not seeking to really know the heart of God concerning their lives; yet, they are looking for someone to gve them a word concerning their life and what they need to do. Now if I were to pray someone and I only told the good things that God was going to do their lives; yet, I neglect to tell them because there is an area of sin that God wants to deal with in their lives ? Have I truly given them the full counsel of God ? or have I only told with what they wanted to hear knowing that God requires a change in that area ? Now have I done them a disservice..by telling them God is going to bless their relationship and take it another level...knowing that they spouse they are with now is not their spouse but, someone else's ? I am so sorry..I hope that clarifies things !! GDD..you make a very true point Ohhhhh Yes stillfocused you will do them a disservice if you only told the half of what God wants you to tell that person or if you only told them the good stuff........Plus I beleive that God will hold you accountable for not giving the whole word to that person. Their blood will be on your hands. Plus the Bible say's that He chastens whom He loves. So If God didn't really love that person than Im sure He wouldn't correct them........I hope I make since.....I often have a terrible time explaining stuff. |
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 15, 2007 1:59:36 GMT -5
I think I understand what she is asking. I believe she is asking if its a disservice when "greatness" is prophesied over one's life, when other things pertaining to the individual is not addressed. For use of example. Sister Cantolope has just been told by the prophet that the Lord is going to bless her greatly, and God is going to allow the gift of healing to flow through her. Now, folks at church know sister cantolope often uses her tongue as a weapon to tear down those who have physical ailments, or have taken on illness. The prophet didn't address this specific area in her life. Oh yeah, Sister Cantaloupe is going straight to HELL, you hear me? Just the other day, she was on the phone with my grandmother, the "sainted church mother" she's supposed to be, and she done told her all the stuff that another sister from the church told her in private. Ain't that something? And then, right before that, I overheard her telling my mom-- Wait a minute, that whole scenario was hypothetical, wasn't it? My bad, y'all carry on...... LOL!!! |
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Post by lanl ns on Oct 15, 2007 6:31:24 GMT -5
Thanks Jasmine..for cleaning that up !! I have been on the bb for a couple of days. I will try to explain. LANL..it's not about being overlooked...it's the condition of one's heart. Often times when people come up for prayer that are not seeking to really know the heart of God concerning their lives; yet, they are looking for someone to gve them a word concerning their life and what they need to do. Now if I were to pray someone and I only told the good things that God was going to do their lives; yet, I neglect to tell them because there is an area of sin that God wants to deal with in their lives ? Have I truly given them the full counsel of God ? or have I only told with what they wanted to hear knowing that God requires a change in that area ? Now have I done them a disservice..by telling them God is going to bless their relationship and take it another level...knowing that they spouse they are with now is not their spouse but, someone else's ? I am so sorry..I hope that clarifies things !! GDD..you make a very true point Ohhhhh Yes stillfocused you will do them a disservice if you only told the half of what God wants you to tell that person or if you only told them the good stuff........Plus I beleive that God will hold you accountable for not giving the whole word to that person. Their blood will be on your hands. Plus the Bible say's that He chastens whom He loves. So If God didn't really love that person than Im sure He wouldn't correct them........I hope I make since.....I often have a terrible time explaining stuff. I agree with GDD you can only prophecy what the Lord has given you....... I was in church one Sunday and the Lord gave me a word for this young man visiting our church and the word was to sum it up is that God had great plans for his life.......I didn't get all into what sins he was living in or what was going on in his life the words of God for me to him that day were short and simple..... The next few Sundays he start returning to church with a newborn baby and then one Sunday he brought the mother and talked with Pastor and explained that they were living in sin and wanted to get married..... Now if I was operating outside of what God had told me to do and went on to ask him about his personal life that could have really turned him off...but because I did as the Lord instructed (which was to give an encouraging simple word over his life) God did the rest......the word says one plants, another water but God gives the increase.......so who knows what the next prophecy or word could have been given to that man that changed his mind... So I say that to say we really can't judge why God does things the way he does..... |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 15, 2007 11:58:10 GMT -5
I understand you can't judge what God is doing..you were obedient to say only what the Lord wanted you to say. Yet, that young man wanted to do what is right. Yet, there are many others who don't and they seek 250 confirmations and at least prophesy that will say it's okay to do what they know God has already them not to do..
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 15, 2007 13:04:58 GMT -5
I believe that we have to understand something about prophecy. The vessel doesnt decide what to speak. God decides what the vessel speaks. Also the vessel is NOT God. They do not have all knowledge. The Bible clearly says we KNOW in part and we PROPHESY in part. If God doesnt reveal that part, the vessel doesnt know.
Secondly you see all throughout the Bible where GOD speaks to the POTENTIAL on in individual or a nation. God often spoke to Israel of what they would BECOME even though they were NOT anywhere near what GOD was saying. The Holy Ghost is a gentlemen who doesnt not take pleasure in blasting folks sin all over the place, Usually when He does expose sin of that nature its because the person has not made an attempt after repeated attempts by GOD to come to the prayer closet to deal with said sin.
As far as fols looking for 250 confirmations and all these prophecies its because they themselves have not developed a relationship with GOD to the point where they can hear God accurately OR they do not have a trust factor in GOD Himself.
The reality is that we really dont understand HOW prophecy works (particularly if we have no frame of reference) Sometimes GOD tells you exactly what to day.. Sometimes you get a picture and you reveal what GOD is showing you..
I remember the first time I had ever received a Word from the Lord regarding our church. First off I had to deal with that because God had never given me a word for the church and this was addressing the Asst Pastor who is a prophetess in her own right. God didnt give me a long eloaborate speech. He gave me a small phrase.. while I was struggling with that.. God kept repeating it... I was like OK Lord.. Im going...
I told the pastor that I believe that the Lord had given me a word for the Asst Pastor, I said GOD if you want me to deliever this then you will have to make the time for it to be deleivered. My Pastor said ok.. wait and if there is time and the Lord says so... we will flow with that ( even the Pastor is gonna check with GOD first... )
When the Pastor called me up.. I simply said the Lord gave me this to speak to you.. Now all I remember was saying the phrase.. after that.. GOD took over.. I couldnt tell you to this day what I said.. but doesnt matter cause I wasnt the one speakin...
Prophecy doesnt come by the will of the vessel. It comes by the will of God...
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 15, 2007 15:12:23 GMT -5
Thanks..GDD !! I am just a in place where the gift of prophesy is abused, overused, and yes, sometimes used as a tool to control the lives of others.
GDD you brought an interesting point in you last post when you stated that don't remember what you said and that was not important ..and that is true. Yet, how does remembeing or not remembering what you said fall into prophesy ? I know that we hear in part and see in part..yet, is the any significance if someone can remember what they prophesied to some 6 mths ago ??
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 15, 2007 16:06:49 GMT -5
Well IMO its not so important that I remember what is said. Sometimes I do, many times I dont. Now I remember things that are said to me ( I actually write them down in a book )m but as far as something that may have been said through me TO someone else, nah...
I always say this. The mailman is responsible to deliver the mail. Not read it. If I deliver your mail I dont remember if you got a letter from your sister, a bill from your credit card company, and an eviction notice... The recipient better check the mail and remember though !!!!
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