Women and Abortion

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Apr 23, 2008 13:25:46 GMT -5 Jasmine said:

wow just re-reading brought tears to my eyes.

yeah me too!

[keita]

Apr 22, 2008 12:21:53 GMT -5 stillfocused said:

And that's the truth Keita. I have come to realize that people can't handle your "stuff" all while expecting you to cover them and accept theirs. Having had an abortion is very hard for women of God because you are called a murderer, you are looked upon as low..

Apr 22, 2008 14:09:35 GMT -5 And Such Were Some Of You said:

...I would like to add something about the "murderer" comment. I have also had an abortion (prior to salvation). Once I repented, and ask forgiveness I no longer carry the labels that people once applied to me. As Madea once said: "it's not what they call you, its what you answer to."

As you already know, I am dead set against abortion and I have a problem with a Christian choosing to have an abortion. However, I will not label someone a murderer because they had one in the past.

I completely agree with you both, my sisters.

Because as a woman who had an abortion, I know and freely (but not randomly ) confess that I certainly did commit murder, but I am not a murderer.

As a woman of GOD, finally coming to understand and then confessing to GOD that I had indeed murdered my unborn child was, in some ways, a more terrible and deeply painful experience than the trauma of the abortion itself.

But it was also how I was, finally and forever, forgiven, healed, delivered and set free.

And best of all, I've been blessed to hold up the arms of, and hold in my arms, many a sister, as she does the same.

[keita]

Honestly, y'all, I'm feeling more than a little vulnerable with that last post and I sincerely hope that I did not offend or distress anyone.

Nevertheless, I was led to add this for someone who may not have had an abortion themselves.

I strongly encourage anyone, particularly any woman, and especially any woman of GOD, who has ever counseled, caused, forced, voted for the right of, paid for, or even accompanied a woman to have an abortion, to also get that straight with GOD.

Because complicity in a sin also makes one guilty of it.

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Apr 25, 2008 4:07:11 GMT -5 keita said:

Honestly, y'all, I'm feeling more than a little vulnerable with that last post and I sincerely hope that I did not offend or distress anyone.

Nevertheless, I was led to add this for someone who may not have had an abortion themselves.

I strongly encourage anyone, particularly any woman, and especially any woman of GOD, who has ever counseled, caused, forced, voted for the right of, paid for, or even accompanied a woman to have an abortion, to also get that straight with GOD.

Because complicity in a sin also makes one guilty of it.

CRY ALOUD AND SPARE NOT!!

No offense with me sis! I not only had an abortion, but I also helped pay for someone to get one. When I discovered upon becoming a Christian that abortion was against the will of God, I seriously had a bout of fear and depression.

During my teachings with women in my post abortion bible study class I tell them exactly what you have just written. The deliverance that takes place during those times are something else. You can see the scales just fall off the eyes of those women.

[true]

Please don't anyone get offended by this.

But if one of you were raped and got pregnant would you keep the baby?

And if a young girl got raped by her family member would you suggest that she keep the baby?

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Apr 25, 2008 7:17:54 GMT -5 @true said:

Please don't anyone get offended by this.

Not offended at all sis. We are just having a good conversation and I enjoy discussions such as this.

But if one of you were raped and got pregnant would you keep the baby?

Yes

And if a young girl got raped by her family member would you suggest that she keep the baby?

Yes

[true]

Really!! Wow!

I am truly impressed. I don't know if I could feel the same as of today.
Maybe years from now I will think differently.

Thanks

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Apr 25, 2008 13:07:44 GMT -5 @true said:

Really!! Wow!

I am truly impressed. I don't know if I could feel the same as of today.
Maybe years from now I will think differently.

Thanks

I can really appreciate your honesty in what you have written! I have not always felt about abortion the way I do today. I do not glory over that fact.

At one time I was truly pro choice. I felt that if a woman chose to have an abortion then it is her body and she can do with it what she wishes and therefore abortion would not be wrong in her case. See when I was growing up, abortion was the "quick answer" to an unwanted pregnancy regardless of the reason why the pregnancy was "unwanted". Therefore, because people felt that abortion can and have been used as a form of birth control then that added to my thoughts that abortion was "right."

I found out that I was pregnant while in college on Valentine's Day in Feb. of 1989. My boyfriend (who went to college in another state - I went to school in New York; he stayed in Connecticut to attend college) was calling me to ask me if I'd received the chocolates he sent me; my response to him was "I'm pregnant." After the initial silence on both ends of the telephone, he immediately went into the "I will quit school and get a job to take care of you and the baby. We'll get married.............." I went into the "I am not ready for this, I am not quitting school (how funny that I didn't finish anyway), ...................... and I am having an abortion." I left him with no choice because after all "it's my body and I will do with it as I wish." After a long pause he told me that he will be there for me. Back then you were able to get a decent car for a few hundred bucks, he used the money his father had given hiim for a vehicle to pay for my abortion. Not only that, but he already had a job and because he was with me on the day I had the abortion and because the precedure took longer than originally thought (I did not do well in recovery) he couldn't get to work and therefore was fired for calling out.

When I arrived home I stayed sick for days. I came down with a fever and later found that I had a severe infection which caused great damage and scarring. I was out of school for weeks for what should have been just a weekend. I broke up with my boyfriend about 2 weeks later.

Upon salvation in 1996, I didn't immediatly know that abortion was wrong but felt that a person should go to God first and all areas/issues in which they felt their "back was against the wall." However, one day I had to go to the doctor for some female complications (as a result of the abortion that I had, which I found out later) and was told that I may not be able to have children. Even though I never really wanted children anyway, the fact that my "choice" to do so was being taken away from me I immediately began to think that I was being punished for the decison I made years earlier.

God and His mercy delivered me from my thoughts on abortion during that time. He began to show me how HE felt about the act and that it is in fact murder of the unborn. He showed me through His word that He is the giver of life. He breathes life into each of us and how dare we feel that we can end life because we feel that it is an inconvience to our lifestyle at the moment. This is how God ministered to me! It was then that I understood what it truly meant to have relationship with the Lord. He loved me to healing from the complications/damage I suffered both physically and emotionally from my decision to terminate a life. It was also during this time that I apologized to my ex-boyfriend for not allowing him a say in the matter and for taking a life, his child, away from him.

So again, Sis True, I can really appreciate you openess and honesty in those few sentences.

Be Blessed!

[true]

Apr 25, 2008 18:53:55 GMT -5 And Such Were Some Of You said:

At one time I was truly pro choice. I felt that if a woman chose to have an abortion then it is her body and she can do with it what she wishes and therefore abortion would not be wrong in her case. See when I was growing up, abortion was the "quick answer" to an unwanted pregnancy regardless of the reason why the pregnancy was "unwanted". Therefore, because people felt that abortion can and have been used as a form of birth control then that added to my thoughts that abortion was "right."

I know women like this. They think the answer is always get rid of the baby. I know a woman who has had multiple abortions and she now has three children. Actually I know a few women who has had multiple abortions. They use abortions as birth control.

Upon salvation in 1996, I didn't immediatly know that abortion was wrong but felt that a person should go to God first and all areas/issues in which they felt their "back was against the wall.

I like this statement a lot. I have never thought about it like this. Going to God first about the issue. I have never been pregnant, and have been told by more than one doctor that I have a small uterus . So I personally have never had to deal with the whole abortion thing other than being told by friends that they are having one or have had one. I have always thought that there was exceptions to having an abortion. Like being raped and or the doctors telling you that the child you are carrying will be retarded or something. Sad I know... But I have always looked at it as being a legitimate reason for aborting a child. Now I do and did have a problem with the women I know using abortions as birth control. They were old enough to know the way to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

However, one day I had to go to the doctor for some female complications (as a result of the abortion that I had, which I found out later) and was told that I may not be able to have children. Even though I never really wanted children anyway, the fact that my "choice" to do so was being taken away from me I immediately began to think that I was being punished for the decison I made years earlier.

I know all to well about being told you may not have children. Funny thing I use to say I never wanted any either. But now I am not so sure. Sometimes I think if I have no children who's going to take care of me when I get old lol.

God and His mercy delivered me from my thoughts on abortion during that time. He began to show me how HE felt about the act and that it is in fact murder of the unborn. He showed me through His word that He is the giver of life. He breathes life into each of us and how dare we feel that we can end life because we feel that it is an inconvience to our lifestyle at the moment. This is how God ministered to me! It was then that I understood what it truly meant to have relationship with the Lord. He loved me to healing from the complications/damage I suffered both physically and emotionally from my decision to terminate a life.

And you have just opened my eye's to something.

So again, Sis True, I can really appreciate you openess and honesty in those few sentences.
Be Blessed!

Thank you


Edited by ASWSOY: True, I fixed the quotes in your post to make it an easier read.

[And Such Were Some Of You]

True, God opened your eyes to something, I am simply a vessel.

And as for who is going to take care of you when you get old.............you may just be one of those "old" people who takes care of others! You may not need taking care of in the sense that you are stating. LOL!