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Post by vindicated on Jun 30, 2008 14:54:17 GMT -5
You should probably re-read that post.
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Post by Jasmine on Jun 30, 2008 15:04:04 GMT -5
why it was only two paragraphs..not too much to miss.
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Post by vindicated on Jun 30, 2008 18:38:08 GMT -5
But you still missed it.
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Post by krazeeboi on Jun 30, 2008 18:45:26 GMT -5
As a man, I will say that I find that pants generally accentuate a woman's form more than skirts and dresses do; it seems that a woman can wear pants without the intentions of putting her business all out there, but that can easily happen due to the general nature of the garment. From my past experiences, most women wearing skirts/dresses whose stuff is all out there are very conscious of that and made it a point to make sure that you know that.
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 1, 2008 2:00:20 GMT -5
if you say so, but I am informing you that I understood PERFECTLY what you said. My post stated what I thought overall..which didn't cause me to miss the jist of your post, but then again I really shouldn't have to explain all that either. I understood you. |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Jul 1, 2008 6:56:01 GMT -5
Oh how I wish that our founding fathers and mothers of zion had really really taught us how to be modest as Paul admonished women instead of just a list of do's and don'ts and cans and can'ts.
I wonder how we would look as a congregation of believers had that been the goal in the days of old.
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Post by Nikkol on Jul 1, 2008 10:23:59 GMT -5
Oh how I wish that our founding fathers and mothers of zion had really really taught us how to be modest as Paul admonished women instead of just a list of do's and don'ts and cans and can'ts. I wonder how we would look as a congregation of believers had that been the goal in the days of old. I do believe that in their "do's and don't's, they taught us how to be modest. Unfortunately, I believe that unlike other groups of people who keep the same standards no matter what the "latest trend" is, Christianity continues to evolve. Things like "we have to wear certain clothing/brand names so that people will want to listen to us or want to come to church" is being used. Or things like "in order to draw the young people, we have to relate and that would include in clothing". Back in the day, things like wearring earrings for men or pants for women (since those are usually the two main things of discussions recently on the board) wouldn't even need to be discussed because the church's stand was "NO". What I'm questioning (within myself as well) is if the trends that we do, the clothing that we wear to "keep up" is really what Christ is calling for us to do. People may get tired of me saying this but in other religions, the clothing pretty much stays the same and yet, they still get "new people" to join..... so it's not the clothes that is making the difference....... could it be that we have allowed these trends to come in and although we may see it as just being "modern" and "keeping up with the times", it's really diluting our message. Could it be that the seasoned saints, although they may have not known the "why's" behind it were giving us what God was saying?....... given that, why is it that we feel as though we always have to know the "why" behind things? Even with God, it is very possible that he can tell you to do "x" or don't do "y" and NEVER tell you the "why" behind it....why is it so difficult to believe that he can do that with people as well? |
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Post by stillfocused on Jul 1, 2008 12:50:30 GMT -5
I agree that we should check to see if the clothing we wear to church will bring attention to ourselves. I have a denium dress that I will work to work..but, I will not wear to church. If I cannot bend over in it..I will not wear it..if I need to pin it..I will find pins. And I do agree that men should not be held accountable to their responses when everything is put out there for them to see. Because many don't understand modesty..and for some because they trying to find their husband..it's put out their for everybody to see. You don't know who has fallen into adultery or any other sexual sin...
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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 2, 2008 19:15:37 GMT -5
What I'm questioning (within myself as well) is if the trends that we do, the clothing that we wear to "keep up" is really what Christ is calling for us to do. People may get tired of me saying this but in other religions, the clothing pretty much stays the same and yet, they still get "new people" to join..... so it's not the clothes that is making the difference....... could it be that we have allowed these trends to come in and although we may see it as just being "modern" and "keeping up with the times", it's really diluting our message. Could it be that the seasoned saints, although they may have not known the "why's" behind it were giving us what God was saying?....... given that, why is it that we feel as though we always have to know the "why" behind things? Even with God, it is very possible that he can tell you to do "x" or don't do "y" and NEVER tell you the "why" behind it....why is it so difficult to believe that he can do that with people as well? The question is, how far do we go back? Do we go back to biblical times and all wear robes? Should men wear pants that come to the knees with stockings and wigs? Should we update it to the 20's and 30's? And even now, we're only talking about the Western church. This could go on forever once we bring other cultures into the picture. To be honest, I think these other religions that freeze some time period in place and dress like they are from another era do more harm than good. Look at the Amish; how many converts do they have? Everybody thinks they are loony. We speak of the old saints, but there were things that they wore that saints from a generation earlier would have thought were sinful. And the same for the generation before them. People thought songs that are now mainstays like "Precious Lord" and "Oh Happy Day" were virtually demonically inspired when they were written; now, we consider them quite conservative. The principle is that we are in the world, but not of the world....but we are very much IN this world. There is nothing wrong with modern trends as long as one's life isn't dictated by them and they do not contradict biblical principles. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 2, 2008 19:26:24 GMT -5
What I'm questioning (within myself as well) is if the trends that we do, the clothing that we wear to "keep up" is really what Christ is calling for us to do. People may get tired of me saying this but in other religions, the clothing pretty much stays the same and yet, they still get "new people" to join..... so it's not the clothes that is making the difference....... could it be that we have allowed these trends to come in and although we may see it as just being "modern" and "keeping up with the times", it's really diluting our message. Could it be that the seasoned saints, although they may have not known the "why's" behind it were giving us what God was saying?....... given that, why is it that we feel as though we always have to know the "why" behind things? Even with God, it is very possible that he can tell you to do "x" or don't do "y" and NEVER tell you the "why" behind it....why is it so difficult to believe that he can do that with people as well? The question is, how far do we go back? Do we go back to biblical times and all wear robes? Should men wear pants that come to the knees with stockings and wigs? Should we update it to the 20's and 30's? And even now, we're only talking about the Western church. This could go on forever once we bring other cultures into the picture. To be honest, I think these other religions that freeze some time period in place and dress like they are from another era do more harm than good. Look at the Amish; how many converts do they have? Everybody thinks they are loony. We speak of the old saints, but there were things that they wore that saints from a generation earlier would have thought were sinful. And the same for the generation before them. People thought songs that are now mainstays like "Precious Lord" and "Oh Happy Day" were virtually demonically inspired when they were written; now, we consider them quite conservative. The principle is that we are in the world, but not of the world....but we are very much IN this world. There is nothing wrong with modern trends as long as one's life isn't dictated by them and they do not contradict biblical principles. AMEN!!!! TV and computer may be a sin or may be we should have kept the horse and buggies  |
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 2, 2008 23:13:03 GMT -5
What I'm questioning (within myself as well) is if the trends that we do, the clothing that we wear to "keep up" is really what Christ is calling for us to do. People may get tired of me saying this but in other religions, the clothing pretty much stays the same and yet, they still get "new people" to join..... so it's not the clothes that is making the difference....... could it be that we have allowed these trends to come in and although we may see it as just being "modern" and "keeping up with the times", it's really diluting our message. Could it be that the seasoned saints, although they may have not known the "why's" behind it were giving us what God was saying?....... given that, why is it that we feel as though we always have to know the "why" behind things? Even with God, it is very possible that he can tell you to do "x" or don't do "y" and NEVER tell you the "why" behind it....why is it so difficult to believe that he can do that with people as well? Nikkol may be you will be interested in these line of clothes Women from Texas polygamous sect launch clothing line Wed Jul 2, 7:50 AM ET WASHINGTON (AFP) - The raid by Texas authorities on a reclusive polygamous sect in April and their seizure of 400 children amid allegations of abuse has had an unexpected consequence -- the launch of a new clothing line. Women from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who were called upon to make clothes en masse for the children taken into state custody, have now turned their skills to commerce and launched an online shop. The austere dresses with long-sleeves and high collars, loose-fitting pants, long-johns and modest blouses worn by members of the sect are reminiscent of 19th century American pioneers and highlighted the sect's isolation. But with the children returned to their legal guardians following a court ruling in May, the sect's members are turning their hand to providing their distinctive clothes to the general public -- and the demand appears strong. "We don't know what to expect on demand but we have a flood of interest," Maggie Jessop, a member of the sect, told the Salt Lake Tribune newspaper. At the website, www.fldsdress.com, the women propose clothing for children and teenagers that "meets the FLDS standards for modesty and neatness" and assert that "each piece is made with joy and care." Among the items for sale is a "Princess" dress with long sleeves and wide pleats available in eight different colors, while the site's founders are hoping to soon add recipes and songs. The investigation into allegations of "spiritual" marriages of underage girls to older men at the sect compound continues, although no arrests have been made. Officials said girls were being "groomed" to accept sex with their middle-aged "spiritual husbands" as soon as they hit puberty and boys were being indoctrinated to perpetuate the cycle of abuse. |
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