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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 1, 2010 17:49:29 GMT -5
I didn't say Republicans are the cause, Nikkol. I chose my words very carefully here. It's obvious that many people have legitimate concerns about the Islamic community center being built in close proximity to Ground Zero. However, those concerns have very quickly ratcheted up to anti-Muslim/anti-Islam rhetoric, and it is overwhelming coming conservatives/Republicans. I'm placing the blame upon Republican leaders who are not coming out forcefully against this extreme rhetoric which is leading to these acts of vandalism. It's often said that there are crazies on both sides of the fence, which is true. However, when the crazies are coming from your corner, it is the job of those leaders to put their crazies in check. The Republican politicians aren't doing this because they've made it explicit that they want to use this as an issue (a wedge-issue, no less) in November. At this point, it's all about winning in November, no matter what--even if it's not in the best interests of the country. Quite dishonorable.
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 2, 2010 8:03:36 GMT -5
I didn't say Republicans are the cause, Nikkol. I chose my words very carefully here. It's obvious that many people have legitimate concerns about the Islamic community center being built in close proximity to Ground Zero. However, those concerns have very quickly ratcheted up to anti-Muslim/anti-Islam rhetoric, and it is overwhelming coming conservatives/Republicans. I'm placing the blame upon Republican leaders who are not coming out forcefully against this extreme rhetoric which is leading to these acts of vandalism. It's often said that there are crazies on both sides of the fence, which is true. However, when the crazies are coming from your corner, it is the job of those leaders to put their crazies in check. The Republican politicians aren't doing this because they've made it explicit that they want to use this as an issue (a wedge-issue, no less) in November. At this point, it's all about winning in November, no matter what--even if it's not in the best interests of the country. Quite dishonorable. So, if you were a republican leader, what would you do? |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 2, 2010 15:48:06 GMT -5
So, if you were a republican leader, what would you do? Get on Fox News, take out some editorials in the Wall Street Journal, NY Times, Washington Post, etc. and strongly, clearly, and unequivocally condemn the sweeping anti-Muslim/anti-Islam rhetoric and acts of vandalism and state in no uncertain terms that they have NO place in legitimate debate about the appropriateness of the proposed location of the Islamic community center near Ground Zero. This needs to be coming from, not just rank-and-file representatives and senators, but the top tiers of Republican leadership (e.g., Rep. John Boehner, Sen. Mitch McConnell, Gov. Haley Barbour, Sarah Palin, etc.). But of course, they aren't going to do that because, as I said, Republicans have stated that they want to use this as an issue in November so all of this ugliness plays to their advantage right now--especially if some serious act of violence happens at the hands of extremist Muslims, in which case President Obama would be held responsible. Republicans would salivate at such a scenario. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 3, 2010 6:52:33 GMT -5
So, if you were a republican leader, what would you do? Get on Fox News, take out some editorials in the Wall Street Journal, NY Times, Washington Post, etc. and strongly, clearly, and unequivocally condemn the sweeping anti-Muslim/anti-Islam rhetoric and acts of vandalism and state in no uncertain terms that they have NO place in legitimate debate about the appropriateness of the proposed location of the Islamic community center near Ground Zero. This needs to be coming from, not just rank-and-file representatives and senators, but the top tiers of Republican leadership (e.g., Rep. John Boehner, Sen. Mitch McConnell, Gov. Haley Barbour, Sarah Palin, etc.). But of course, they aren't going to do that because, as I said, Republicans have stated that they want to use this as an issue in November so all of this ugliness plays to their advantage right now--especially if some serious act of violence happens at the hands of extremist Muslims, in which case President Obama would be held responsible. Republicans would salivate at such a scenario. Same way the Dems salivated when Bush was in office and they found things that they could use? When ALL over the radio many ppl were calling the president stupid (and other names as well) which was being heard around the world...which is just disrespectful in and of itself. It's a dog eat dog world in politics. And let's be real....head ppl saying to stop and paying boatloads of money to do so on the avenues you mentioned is not going to stop ppl from doing what they want to do. If that was the case, when the president/leaders talk about truancy or drugs, etc, everyone would comply....Ppl will do what ppl want to do.... and like I've said before sinners do what sinners do... |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 3, 2010 10:07:33 GMT -5
Same way the Dems salivated when Bush was in office and they found things that they could use? When ALL over the radio many ppl were calling the president stupid (and other names as well) which was being heard around the world...which is just disrespectful in and of itself. But Bush isn't in office anymore. Just like Obama has to own this current economic climate and can't keep bringing up Bush to pass the buck, GOP'ers can't keep bringing up what happened when Bush was in office. This whole anti-Muslim fiasco is for the Republicans to own now, and they need to stop it. Media is a POWERFUL thing these days, and I DO think this would have an effect. Furthermore, it's just the responsible and right thing to do. Truancy and drugs are different, because right now we're talking about a specific event which triggered this, not something that's ongoing. Well if "sinners do what sinners do," how about we do away with all laws and all protections against people. Let's just have total anarchy since rules and laws are doing us no good. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 3, 2010 13:41:07 GMT -5
1. I highly doubt that ONLY republicans are doing this or only republicans aren't happy about this.
2. Media is powerful and works for and against you. And truth be told, once they finish "editing" you may end up being quoted as saying the opposite of what you really said.
3. To say let's have a total anarchy is really taking it to a level that makes no sense. The point was that you thought that Republicans should spend thousands of dollars to tell people to stop vandalizing and you believe that by them telling them to stop vandalizing they will stop....and the reason they aren't is because they want to use that to win in November..... and maybe they are going to use that situation in order to win in November. To me, it's just as bad as the Dems using the war as a way to win earlier on.
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 3, 2010 14:49:56 GMT -5
1. I highly doubt that ONLY republicans are doing this or only republicans aren't happy about this. The anti-Muslim/anti-Islam rhetoric is largely coming from conservative corners, especially since it's the GOP that loves to engage in and tolerate these "us vs. them" culture wars. GOP leadership needs to come out and forcefully denounce this sort of rhetoric and these acts of vandalism. In a case like this, I highly doubt it--especially if GOP leadership does this via their propaganda arm, Fox News. After all, it has the highest viewership among cable news networks and is the network of choice for conservatives. Fox News isn't going to distort anything coming from a Republican. Well, you said "sinners do what sinners do," so why stop or discourage people from what they are going to do anyway? That's what it would come down to taken to its logical end. Who said they have to spend thousands of dollars? First of all, even so, the RNC has millions of dollars at hand, so a few thousand isn't anything. I think that's money well spent to speak out in favor of a religious minority in America, to ensure that they have the freedom to practice their religion without intimidation or threat. Secondly, it would cost NOTHING to get on the major news networks on one of these prime-time shows. Yes, but we're being told that the GOP is the better party and has better solutions for America. If that's the case, then they don't need to tolerate these weirdos who are by and large coming from these conservative areas who are engaging in this divisive rhetoric and these acts of vandalism. And the war WAS actually poorly executed; both Dems and Reps agree on this point. A report came out earlier that billions have been wasted in Iraq (where no WMDs have been found). One of the major reasons we are in debt as a country now has been the wars. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 3, 2010 15:04:49 GMT -5
Two quick points...
1) When we go to war, there are jobs made for ppl needed specifically to make weapons, etc.
2) Religous freedom will never be complete freedom because somehow or another it will impede or someone's rights....which will probably end up being the rights of Christians.
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 3, 2010 19:17:04 GMT -5
Two quick points... 1) When we go to war, there are jobs made for ppl needed specifically to make weapons, etc. Yes, but that's irrelevant when it comes to the cause of war, the opponent in war, etc. At any rate, I don't want to digress too much here because that issue is different than this Islamic cultural center issue. Political parties can use certain things as issues come election time, but to sit idly by while folks in your camp get whipped up into a xenophobic frenzy which then leads to acts of vandalism is totally unacceptable. That didn't happen in 2004. How so? The only reason America exists is because of freedom of religion. And in this particular case concerning the Islamic cultural center, what other religion's rights are being infringed upon? |
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