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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 25, 2011 10:55:27 GMT -5
For the first time in my life I am not proud to be a New Yorker.
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Post by Nikkol on Jun 28, 2011 7:12:10 GMT -5
I know I may be in the minority...but I don't really "care" (using that word lightly)....to be honest, for the most part marriage and the ability to marry is done by the govt who has given clergy the ability to do it as well...
Does it change what we (general) believe is right? No. Is it really going to change the things that my kids see on a regular basis? No, because they see homosexual couples around holding hands, etc already. So what does it change really? It gives ppl rights to certain benefits.....they were already living together and in a "committed relationship" so to me, not much changes....I'm not changing my stance nor what I teach my kids...
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Post by krazeeboi on Jun 28, 2011 9:45:19 GMT -5
Giants you KNEW it had to be coming sooner or later.
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Post by kitty on Jun 28, 2011 19:40:24 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
Inspite of New York being an extremely liberal place that was popular for the gay life style and culture... I am still surprised that this law got passed. I think it does chance things because people are being exposed to the lie being feed that homosexuality is normal. it really truly is not...
And I'm not just being a conservative Christian... I used to buy into the lie that people may be "born that way". But over my life time... time and time again I found that soooo many people living the gay life style entered into it one of 2 ways.... sexual abuse and extreme lustful behavior....
Recently i just finished reading Todd Bridges autobiography... In the book he states how he was being molested by a male family friend/agent. This guy literally started trying to turn Todd Bridges out by telling him that men and boys could do just as much for him as any girl. This apparently adult gay male wasn't just simply trying to molest him he was trying to try Todd bridges gay... he forced himself on Todd physically and todd states how at such a young age he was starting to wonder if he was indeed gay because he found some of those actions of the man pleasurable... he stated that he is thankful to Dana Plato for coming onto him and having sex with him because other wise he would have ended up thinking he was gay....
This law being passed is a sad thing indeed.... especially with these same people now adopting kids....
Kitty
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Post by Nikkol on Jun 29, 2011 6:53:57 GMT -5
Kids need somewhere to live too...and honestly with some that do have kids, the kids are treated VERY well....better than if they were somewhere else...and the lifestyle of the parents doesn't have to become the lifestyle of the child....
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Post by krazeeboi on Jun 30, 2011 6:04:24 GMT -5
Certainly I'm not condoning the gay lifestyle, but let's not make the mistake of thinking that all gay folks are pedophiles. There's a difference, just like all straight folks aren't pedophiles.
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Post by kitty on Jul 5, 2011 7:40:58 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
Check out this article from Christianity Today....
Should the Marriage Battleground Shift to Religious Freedom?
After New York vote on same-sex marriage, conscience questions draw more emphasis.
Bobby Ross Jr. | posted 7/01/2011 10:35AM
Was the shot heard 'round the evangelical world fired June 24 in New York?
The passage of a same-sex marriage law by that state's Republican-controlled Senate sent a clear message, a leading religious liberty expert says.
That message: Religious conservatives who advocate traditional marriage must shift their focus to fighting for religious freedom.
"It's just a matter of time before it's possible to enact these bills in more and more states," said Douglas Laythingy, a law professor at the University of Virginia. "The greater the support, the less leverage anyone trying to get a religious liberty provision [will have]. The time to get protection for religious liberty in these bills is now, while they're still difficult for the supporters to enact."
Stanley Carlson-Thies, president of the Institutional Religious Freedom Alliance, isn't ready to advocate such a drastic detour—at least not yet.
But as more states pass civil-union and same-sex marriage laws, he acknowledges a need for gay-marriage opponents to press for language in such laws that protects faith-based organizations.
"The religious-freedom consequence of these changes is increasingly recognized and increasingly seen as something that needs to have a focus of its own," he said.
In New York, in fact, "more expansive protections for religious organizations" helped win support from four Republicans who voted with the Democratic minority and put the bill over the top, The New York Times reported. Carlson-Thies complained, however, that lawmakers won the religious liberty exemptions at the expense of sticking with their moral convictions on traditional marriage.
Laythingy said the New York law clearly protects churches and religious organizations from having to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies or welcome gay couples into their memberships.
But the language is "so badly drafted" that it's difficult to assess what the impact might be, for example, on a faith-based organization that wants to refuse to provide adoption services to a same-sex couple, he said.
Just a few years ago, a key question in the public square was: Would gay and unmarried couples be allowed to adopt children or serve as foster parents?
Now, the question seems to be: Can faith-based agencies with conscientious objections refuse to place children with gay and unmarried couples?
"It's a question of: Can religious organizations continue to operate for the public good in a way that's consistent with their convictions?" said Jedd Medefind, president of the Christian Alliance for Orphans.
In June, before the New York vote, Carlson-Thies praised the "robust language" in a Rhode-Island civil-union bill that he said offered sufficient protections for religious organizations with sincerely held religious convictions against civil unions.
But that same month in Illinois, which began recognizing civil unions June 1, a Catholic Charities organization in Rockford halted its state-funded foster care and adoption services rather than face potential liability for failing to place children with parents in civil unions. Meanwhile, three Roman Catholic dioceses—Springfield, Peoria, and Joliet—filed a lawsuit seeking confirmation that they're acting within existing law by offering adoption and foster-care services only to married couples and non-cohabiting single individuals.
Similar battles have occurred in the District of Columbia, Virginia, and Massachusetts. Religious-freedom questions will be on statewide ballots in North Dakota and Missouri in 2012.
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Post by kitty on Jul 5, 2011 7:44:19 GMT -5
Krazeboi,
I'm not saying that all pedophiles are gay... But I am stating that a alot of the gay life style is spread by abusive and predatory like behavior.....
It's just like it's a well know fact that a lof of women that u find working in the sex industry are women who were raped, abused and got loads of daddy issues... They didn't end up there because they were such well rounded people given a lotta love...
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Jul 5, 2011 7:48:55 GMT -5
hey Guys,
I do agree with Giants that this is a very bad deal.... Not simply because it twists people's view on marriage but also because it is a pandora's box.... I shudder for all the things that are comming next.... it really is just a matter of time before we start to see the gay community attack the church out right and try to have any part of the bible that states that they are an abomination removed from the bible.... nikkol... i think now you are really about to see the benefits or the separation of church and state...
Kitty
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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 5, 2011 18:59:45 GMT -5
Krazeboi, I'm not saying that all pedophiles are gay... But I am stating that a alot of the gay life style is spread by abusive and predatory like behavior..... It's just like it's a well know fact that a lof of women that u find working in the sex industry are women who were raped, abused and got loads of daddy issues... They didn't end up there because they were such well rounded people given a lotta love... Kitty Gotcha. I understand where you're coming from now. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Jul 7, 2011 7:33:40 GMT -5
Lets call it what it is. An attack on Gods order and design for man and the family by the kingdom of darkness. And no child should be brought up in a same sex household period.
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Post by kitty on Jul 7, 2011 17:49:14 GMT -5
I agree Giants.... Amen!
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Post by Nikkol on Jul 8, 2011 11:27:27 GMT -5
I guess my question for you (general) is that if it's legalized, what really changes? How does it change what we see in the world today?
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Post by giantsdodie on Jul 9, 2011 7:53:28 GMT -5
I guess my question for you (general) is that if it's legalized, what really changes? How does it change what we see in the world today? How about moral decay? You know what I have seen literally since the day this thing was passed. More homosexual behavior done OPENLY in the street.. More gay couples both men and women holding hands and kissing in the middle of the street, and on the bus.. something I would never have seen nearly as much.. This is somewhat expected in " certain " areas of NYC where there is a strong gay populace. However I have seen it all over the city since this law was passed. Its is what the bible says This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Again... and let me make this very plain.. Its an attack on Gods order and design for man and the family by the kingdom of darkness... And its also an attack on man... its an evil to pervert mankind and drive him further away from God and drive him further away from God's salvation. |
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Post by Nikkol on Jul 12, 2011 7:05:48 GMT -5
I've been seeing open PDA's for YEARS so I have seen no spike in ppl doing it because of NY. And of course it's possible that based on one's awareness you may just see it more often but not that it wasn't really being done before.
I think the thing that becomes "interesting" is that it's the state that validates marriages and not the church...hence why a judge can perform a wedding and unless a minister is "authorized" by the state to perform a wedding, they're unable to do so.....
I don't see this as being any worse than the fact that we live in a world where ppl fornicate, commit adultery, lie, steal, etc. ALL of these things are working toward "moral decay"....it didn't start just because of this.
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