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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 28, 2007 8:51:28 GMT -5
Is ur abuse always necessarily ur ministry? That is a question i ponder on a lot because i dont necessarily believe it is. Maybe Sister Living can help me  In Revelations it says that they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; him being the accuser…….. With all of that being said your testimony can be a vehicle used to help someone but your ministry should always be Jesus and not personal testimonies…… IMO this is where the “church†is being taken for a ride…… with all the “my mess is now my message†“abuse is now my ministry†no it is and never was about you…..it is all about JESUS…… The ministry is all about teaching Jesus and bringing others to Christ……when we start preaching only out of our hurt, pain and frustrations the focus than becomes us and we start believing our own press………. The reason why we still have young girls wrapped up in Sheets is because the deliverance power of Jesus has not broken them…..the reason why young girls can get on and off the train is because Jesus has not delivered them and the reason why we have leaders in the shape that they are in today is because Jesus has not been delivered to them…… We (general) need to stop it with this feel good messages and start preaching Jesus….one day Saints (oowee I sound like my Grandmamma) we are going to die and there is a Heaven or Hell that we will eventually one day see….. while we are feeling good on Earth, getting exposure here on Earth there is an eternal life that we all must face…….and with that being said “how many times have you heard these preachers who have the “world†platform talk about an eternal kingdom and eternal d**nation…………. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Sept 28, 2007 9:20:35 GMT -5
I suppose that's an encouraging sign. But THIS one definitely requires a public apology. Why a public apology? We wouldn't receive it anyway. We would find fault in his repent and apology, because our heart are harden and we can be very self-righteous... We don't know how to forgive and forgot and let a person pass be in the pass. We will still deep up something and find fault in the individual and write dozen of pages on an BB saying he not for real, he phony and it is nothing but deceiption. That why they privately repent and cry out to God and leave the Church alone. AT Just a question. Does this apply to you as well ?? Because your position vs Bishop Weeks has been exactly what you described. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 28, 2007 9:22:18 GMT -5
Why a public apology? We wouldn't receive it anyway. We would find fault in his repent and apology, because our heart are harden and we can be very self-righteous... We don't know how to forgive and forgot and let a person pass be in the pass. We will still deep up something and find fault in the individual and write dozen of pages on an BB saying he not for real, he phony and it is nothing but deceiption. That why they privately repent and cry out to God and leave the Church alone. AT Just a question. Does this apply to you as well ?? Because your position vs Bishop Weeks has been exactly what you described. YES..... |
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 28, 2007 10:09:49 GMT -5
Amen sis lanl. The word is what gets me out of ma situation. I am sick and tired of saints 'needing someone to understand where they been' and as valid as that can be in encouragement it sure does not get u out of ur situation. I dont need to be understood or sympathized with-i need SOLUTION and action and yes all these women ought to go and sit down somewhere. Just cause something happened to me does not mean i need to make it a public ministry. I can share on an individual basis as i run into people but that does not make it my ministry. U know why even in marriages men are refusing to open up? Cause they know if things go wrong or get bad that everyone down the road and on the block are going to know every detail that they did wrong and of course all the sympathy goes to the woman. All this is an attack on masculinity-women out of order running around with jezebel spirits. Even when a marriage ends badly u still had a certain amount of years together surely that shd count as something and both parties just forget and move on instead of the whole thing becoming 'new ministries' of what i went through. There are genuine cases dont get me wrong but all these women playing victims in christianity most of the time is caused they didnt hear God and wont listen to anyone. They go make the wrong choice and now its only the man who is bad cause 'butter wont melt in their mouths. Puhleeaze  |
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 28, 2007 10:13:11 GMT -5
You know what i see and believe: that the principle of honour is foreign to a lot of present day believers.
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 28, 2007 12:55:44 GMT -5
Can you imagine the struggle with Tamara's faith in God once her husband told her that God had shown him "his real wife"....... that is so cruel.......... Abuse is more than someone putting hands on you and as a matter of fact emotional abuse hurts more than physical abuse.....you can get over the scars but the words and feelings attached to certain phrases and words can scar you for a lifetime. No doubt that was a painful experience for her, but I also think it's a stretch to say that this was an abusive marriage, since this only occurred once. When you talk about abusive marriages, the implication is that abuse happened repeatedly, not just once. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 28, 2007 13:00:49 GMT -5
Why a public apology? We wouldn't receive it anyway. We would find fault in his repent and apology, because our heart are harden and we can be very self-righteous... We don't know how to forgive and forgot and let a person pass be in the pass. We will still deep up something and find fault in the individual and write dozen of pages on an BB saying he not for real, he phony and it is nothing but deceiption. That why they privately repent and cry out to God and leave the Church alone. AT I don't know who this "we" is that you're speaking of, but it certainly doesn't include me. I wholeheartedly accept Bro. Tonex's apology and I pray nothing but God's blessings upon him. If McClendon were to do the same, it would be no different (of course, if accompanied by a commitment to demonstrate that repentance and follow through with it). This whole "privately repent to God and leave the Church alone" is utterly unbiblical. The Bible says that restoration of a fallen brother/sister comes through the church, not by private confession (2 Corinthians 2:5-11, Galatians 6:1, James 5:19-20). This is one of the main reasons there is such a lack of accountability in general in the church today: erroneous doctrine. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 28, 2007 13:09:07 GMT -5
Amen sis lanl. The word is what gets me out of ma situation. I am sick and tired of saints 'needing someone to understand where they been' and as valid as that can be in encouragement it sure does not get u out of ur situation. I dont need to be understood or sympathized with-i need SOLUTION and action and yes all these women ought to go and sit down somewhere. I guess this is where our different experiences come into play. Growing up, all I heard was "live holy, live holy, live holy," "there is no excuse for sin," etc. So when of the young people sinned, nobody was there to identify with them AND help restore them. I get sick of saints who act like they were born speaking in tongues, and it's mess going on that we want to sweep under the rug. In my view, there is no false dichotomy between understanding my plight and restoring me. Usually if the former isn't present, neither is the latter. But that's only been my experience. |
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Post by Beulah5 on Sept 28, 2007 16:24:36 GMT -5
I process things differently bro. For me any sort of emotion without specific purpose or end result is a waste of time. I know many people always need to talk to people and share stuff and that blesses them for me it is the opposite but even my own mother says she does not know where i came from  . Great wisdom on the other posts. Here is a bedtime peck  |
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 28, 2007 16:51:45 GMT -5
For me any sort of emotion without specific purpose or end result is a waste of time. I know many people always need to talk to people and share stuff and that blesses them for me it is the opposite but even my own mother says she does not know where i came from . I guess you and your mom is a like ... cause she forgot the travailing, pushing, screaming and the pain to bring you out of the womb. ;D ;D So when you giving birth to a ministry, you forget or don't share the travailing, pushing, screaming and pain you went through to get where you at.... Do you think it will help other to make it through hard labor and avoid a spiritual miscarriage? |
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 28, 2007 23:23:32 GMT -5
For me any sort of emotion without specific purpose or end result is a waste of time. That's interesting. I think you're using "emotion" in a different kind of way here, which is cool, since I know what you're getting at (at least I think I do). Sometimes the purpose or end result is just having someone to listen. It makes you feel valued. Yeah, you're different since I'm taking the stereotypical female side on this, and you're taking the stereotypical male side. ;D Bless ya now! |
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