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Post by ybrown on Aug 2, 2005 18:19:26 GMT -5
What do you say when a man or woman of God says to you, "I faithfully pay my tithes, I speak the Word, I read my bible, I go to church, so why hasn't God healed, delivered or prospered me yet?"
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 2, 2005 20:36:47 GMT -5
I would ask this person what are they doing in the natural to help themselves; what are they doing on the practical side to promote healing, career advancement, financial wholeness, etc.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Aug 3, 2005 4:39:07 GMT -5
amen!
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Post by Beulah5 on Aug 3, 2005 4:52:15 GMT -5
What do you say when a man or woman of God says to you, "I faithfully pay my tithes, I speak the Word, I read my bible, I go to church, so why hasn't God healed, delivered or prospered me yet?" The actions of doing that sound like what should be our reasonable service. Usually people who say things like that in my opinion are speaking out of pride. That is our reasonable service God does not really owe us anything to be quiet honest but when we with a humble and grateful heart do these things still knowing that they are not our ticket to anything but that it all rests on the shed blood of Christ then God can come in and move on our behalf. I mean in other ways as well what is their idea of prosperity and healing? There are millions of people who have died and are being killed for the cause of Christ who are faithful in all the above mentioned things and more who never became millionaires nor received their healing. Neither did the heroes in Hebrews 11 which is why we must be thankful and endure hardness as good soldiers of Christ even if we never come into an overabundant earthly reward. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 3, 2005 9:47:16 GMT -5
Well there are a ton of questions. Ok you might be paying your tithes. Great, but are you giving them with a glad heart or an evil heart. Are you giving offerings or just paying tithes. Have you sought the Lord regarding your finances and your budget?
Do you speak the Word constantly or o you speak the Word one minute and your circumstances the next. Do you BELIEVE what you say ?
You go to church. Great. Now are you doing what you are supposed to be doing in that church? Are you submitted to the authority in that church ?
And are you prepared for prosperity? Do you even understand what prosperity is according to God?
Are you prepared for your healing. I know people believing God for healing of kidney disease. They are on dialysis believing God and have been dealing with this for years. But they are prepared for their healing. They are eating everything they are supposed to, drinking what they are supposed to, Serving and Worshipping God with a GLAD HEART in the midst of the situation. preaching to folks about the Love of God at the dialysis center., yet GOD says healing is on the way.
A lot of the period of " TIME " is God preparing us for what HE has for us.
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 3, 2005 12:13:53 GMT -5
I agree with Beulah on this one. When the reason why we do things is based on what we think that we "deserve" in return, one can question their motives.
The truth is that God is God and He can do whatever He wants. And honestly, if He does nothing else for us, the fact that He has saved us should be better than any material thing that we receive for things that are seen are temporary.
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Post by Jasmine NSI on Aug 3, 2005 15:47:19 GMT -5
"Do you trust God" seems like the response i would give.
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Post by stillfocused on Aug 5, 2005 14:28:52 GMT -5
What the expectancy within one's heart ? I just heard Bishop Francis talking about this very topic the other day...And he mentioned there are some hinderances because there are something that you must say " Go" to and some things that you will have to say "Come" to
he Mark 11:24 as an example and he also mentioned Daniel when he was praying for 21 days,
he mentioned there are some things you have to declare and decree. This is a tough question and sometimes the only answer will only come from the Lord himself.
What are the motives and condition of the heart ? What the promise that God has spoken to that person ? It regards to health, sometimes we have to make changes in what we eat..because there are some things we just shouldn't eat. We know people who love crabs, lobsters, and shrimp......but, they are the scavangers of the ocean and will eat anything. I love blue crabs; but when I went home I wouldn't eat any...sometimes there are strategies that will only come from God..in somethings he wants to do in us, for us, and through us.
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Post by ybrown on Aug 5, 2005 15:07:47 GMT -5
But doesn't the whole question smack of a "works" or "legalistic" mentality - as if our good works can actually cause God to something? It just smells like flesh not recognizing that what Jesus did was payment enough and that God doesn't need us to do more in order to bless us. All God needs is for us to appropriate our faith to everything He provided through His grace.
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 5, 2005 15:12:09 GMT -5
Ybrown I see what you are saying and yes that mindset can be developed through works or legalism but how then does that apply to the person that God has spoken to and revealed His will to regarding health and/or prosperity? They should have an expectation!!!
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Post by ybrown on Aug 5, 2005 16:36:32 GMT -5
Giants, I say we should always be in expectation. Believe me, I Am!
But if I'm pointing to all the things I'm doing: reading bible, speaking the Word, going to church, basically I'm saying, since I'm doing these things, God should be rewarding me for it. Those things don't move God - He's done all the work already and provided everything through grace. There's nothing we have to do to earn it and Jesus isn't sitting at the right hand of the Father bearing stripes for our healing, and etc.
Reading the bible, going to church, etc. are things I do to for ME, to stay in faith, not things I do in order to earn brownie points from God or to get Him to move. If someone is doing those things in order to move God, it ain't going to happen. That is the "works" mentality that we can so easily slip into that can quickly cut off the flow of God in our lives.
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 6, 2005 8:39:22 GMT -5
Agreed.
So very true.
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 11, 2005 17:07:20 GMT -5
So yall mean to say that we shouldn't expect any type of healing or prosperity? Although salvation is CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY enough, is that all that's in it for us?
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Post by ybrown on Aug 11, 2005 18:14:30 GMT -5
So yall mean to say that we shouldn't expect any type of healing or prosperity? Although salvation is CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY enough, is that all that's in it for us? Now, krazeeboi who gave you that idea?  |
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Post by stillfocused on Aug 12, 2005 13:30:35 GMT -5
YBrown...I have asked the same question in a women's meeting one night; explaining that the person's life was in order in every area.. And I got several answers...
1. They weren't submitted to leadership
2. They weren't tithing
3. It wasn't due season...in which I replied due season doesn't take 5 - 15 yrs
4. Something in their life was out of order
5. They had some hidden sin issues...like jealousy, etc.
6. They were not obedient to leadership
yet, I never got the response of "obedience"..not, to men..yet, to the God
The question remains..what is motive for doing what one does ? And I glad to know that they are those who does the things they do just because they love God..and at times that they come into a place of worship; just to worship HIM and ask for nothing..that is so awesome.
Because we must have faith in Him; I agree that one should not caught in the "works" only aspect..because that's akin to manipulation. And personally I believe we're in a season that we must have expectation in God..to see the miraclous and stand trusting him no matter what the situation looks like....challenging, yes, yet..it's like God to do the impossible when man says "It can't be done"..
Stillfocused
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