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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 11, 2008 12:25:35 GMT -5
Before we get into this bible study, I wanted to lay a few ground rules to keep order:
It is my desire to truly make this a Bible study and therefore I ask that we stick to the bible as our source. However, if you choose to use outside sources, please site your sources so that the rest of us can view and offer insight as well.
Please keep personal experiences to a minimum. We need to understand that what God may have required of one, may not be His will for the next - a personal experience does not make doctrine.
Please deal with one scripture at a time. I am going to go from the Old Testament to the New Testament allowing the scripture to interpret scripture. Please do not jump ahead of us.
This is not a debate. If you began to debate or disrespect what another is writing you will be warned and then asked to no longer particpate if it continues. This is not a place to say "I am right and you are wrong". Remember, the Holy Spirit is our teacher which means that He can and will use whomever He pleases during this bible study. It is okay to correct someone if they have taken a scripture out of context - however, it is not okay to condemn somoene to hell because they choose not to tithe. Please allow the Spirit behind the Word to do the convicting.
Please stay on topic and follow the flow of the thread. Because this is normally a hot topic it is easy to go off on a tangent. If you wish to discuss something else - start a new thread.
This thread is not for "should I tithe, or pay my bills", start another thread for that or find some of the threads that have already been written.
I mainly use the NASB & NKJV for study. Please site which translation you are using when quoting scripture. It helps others to follow along with you.
Remember, LOVE is the principle thing so prefer others over yourself.
Okay, let's begin. We may add more "rules" along the way but this is all I can think of for now. Oh wait, one more thing, please use the "quote" feature on this thread so we know which post you are responding to.
I will begin with the first post shortly, at which time I will unlock the thread and we will begin.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 11, 2008 20:27:45 GMT -5
To begin, we must first understand what the word tithe means. The word tithe means "tenth". Therefore one cannot tithe 90% 20% or 50%. Based on the definition one can only "tithe" 1/10, a tenth, 10%.
It is important to understand that because the 1st scripture that I am going to is Genesis 14:20:
"And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand." And he gave him a tithe of all (NKJV)
"And blessed be God Most High, who has defeated your enemies for you." Then Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of all goods he had recovered. (NLT)
"And blessed, praised, and glorified be God Most High, Who has given your foes into your hand! And [Abram] gave him a tenth of all [he had taken]. (AMP)
"And blessed be the most hig God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand." And he gave him tithes of all. (KJV)
"And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand." And he gave him tenth of all. (NASB)
To answer your question, No, I will not always offer five different translations when quoting scripture. I did that this time as an example of what I would like to see when scripture is used. Also, I wanted to show how the word "tithe" and 'tenth" is used interchangebly (don't know if I spelled that right, but you know what I mean). Therefore, when speaking of tithe we cannot say that someone "tithe 90%", it just isn't so.
Okay, let's all read Genesis 14 in its entirety so we can understand what was going on prior to and after verse 20. Then come here and share your comments.
And so we begin.......................
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 13, 2008 6:01:36 GMT -5
I didn't forget this thread, I am coming back - may have to post this weekend. I am back in college and am preparing for two tests right now - thanks for your patience.
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Post by Beck on Mar 13, 2008 6:43:41 GMT -5
I would like to add that this is before the law,and was given based on the condition of the heart of abraham... Also it should be noted that Abraham didnt give a tenth from what he personally had, but from the spoils of war.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 13, 2008 6:53:08 GMT -5
I would like to add that this is before the law,and was given based on the condition of the heart of abraham... Also it should be noted that Abraham didnt give a tenth from what he personally had, but from the spoils of war. Actually Beck, that is exactly what I was studying. I read somewhere that "a tenth" was a levy applied to the spoils of war or something like that and that it wasn't a "tithe" (as we use the term) at all. I am not sure where I read that and I am checking my book and studies now. Have you ever heard that before? |
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Post by Beck on Mar 13, 2008 7:04:42 GMT -5
I would like to add that this is before the law,and was given based on the condition of the heart of abraham... Also it should be noted that Abraham didnt give a tenth from what he personally had, but from the spoils of war. Actually Beck, that is exactly what I was studying. I read somewhere that "a tenth" was a levy applied to the spoils of war or something like that and that it wasn't a "tithe" (as we use the term) at all. I am not sure where I read that and I am checking my book and studies now. Have you ever heard that before? I will talk about it further when I get home from work tonight...but the tenth requirement came to the levite priest as a law,and it wasnt about money, but produce..and if they desided to give money they had to give 5% more. Even Jacob given a tenth was a conditional thing..."IF God would help him he would give a tenth"... |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 13, 2008 9:03:38 GMT -5
Actually Beck, that is exactly what I was studying. I read somewhere that "a tenth" was a levy applied to the spoils of war or something like that and that it wasn't a "tithe" (as we use the term) at all. I am not sure where I read that and I am checking my book and studies now. Have you ever heard that before? I will talk about it further when I get home from work tonight...but the tenth requirement came to the levite priest as a law,and it wasnt about money, but produce..and if they desided to give money they had to give 5% more. Even Jacob given a tenth was a conditional thing..."IF God would help him he would give a tenth"... yes, I understand about the "tenth" requirement to the levite priests and I cannot wait to get to that part....LOL! However, I am specifically speaking about the "tenth" of the spoils of war that Abraham gave. I read somewhere that yes, Abraham's heart was right in giving the tenth but that it was given because it was a levy that was placed that stated that you had to give a tenth of the spoils of war. When I began to do a study on Tithes, Offerings and New Testament Giving, I read many "thoughts" on the issue - and it was during this time that I read about the levy on the spoils of war and therefore it wasn't that Abraham was required to tithe but was honoring the levy requirement. |
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 13, 2008 13:05:05 GMT -5
I was reading something yesterday regarding the tenth..yet, I will wait until you to that post to respond. And yeah, Abraham did tithe according to the spoils he had received as he has chose to receive what the King was trying to give him.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 13, 2008 14:49:07 GMT -5
I was reading something yesterday regarding the tenth..yet, I will wait until you to that post to respond. And yeah, Abraham did tithe according to the spoils he had received as he has chose to receive what the King was trying to give him. Welcome to the Bible Study sis!  |
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Post by zelica on Mar 13, 2008 14:51:25 GMT -5
I will have to find it but there is a story in the Bible about a couple who droped dead because they lied about giving there tithes....I tell ya God doesnt play
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 13, 2008 14:59:36 GMT -5
Genesis 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram. 14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan. 15 And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus. 16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. [KJV]
In this scripture I find that Abraham really didn't "increase" here, yet "took back what the devil stole"...lol. In other words, Abram gave a tenth of the spoils (as we have already stated) but the "spoils" were what the enemy had taken from them up to and including Lot and the women. So can we really look at this as a "increase" and say that Abram gave a tithe of the increase as is often taught?
I look at it as it is stated...Abram gave..... I don't read where Abram was honoring a law (which most of us agree) nor do I read where it was commanded for him to give a tithe. However, in his thankfulness he GAVE.
It is critical at this point that we also introduce Hebrews 7 into this study. So as we are studying Genesis 14 please read and comment on Hebrews 7 as your cross reference as we try to understand Abrams tenth and who is Melchisedec.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 13, 2008 15:01:28 GMT -5
I will have to find it but there is a story in the Bible about a couple who droped dead because they lied about giving there tithes....I tell ya God doesnt play This is also an error in the teaching on the tithe. Nobody dropped dead in the bible for not giving a tithe. Ananias and Saphria died because they lied to the Holy Spirit. However, to keep with the flow of the study, we are focusing on Genesis 14 and Hebrews 7 right now. BTW, welcome to Bible Study Be Blessed! |
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Post by livinganewlife on Mar 13, 2008 15:29:11 GMT -5
Checking In!
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Post by zelica on Mar 13, 2008 16:04:06 GMT -5
I will have to find it but there is a story in the Bible about a couple who droped dead because they lied about giving there tithes....I tell ya God doesnt play This is also an error in the teaching on the tithe. Nobody dropped dead in the bible for not giving a tithe. Ananias and Saphria died because they lied to the Holy Spirit. However, to keep with the flow of the study, we are focusing on Genesis 14 and Hebrews 7 right now. BTW, welcome to Bible Study Be Blessed! oh OK, I just remembered the story when I read this post, thank you for explaining. ;D ohhhhhh but I did say it was because they lied... |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 13, 2008 16:58:28 GMT -5
Welcome to Bible Study, LANL!  |
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