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Post by G3 on Mar 22, 2006 10:25:41 GMT -5
What is it about a prophet that everyone (well most everyone) wants to be a prophet? Everywhere you look and go. Prophet this and prophetess that. The Prophetic Network (Beware of the Prophetic Network. This is the School of the Prophets of Balaam whose so called "master prophet" entertain that spirit and teaches the same doctrine).
Of all the gifts of the Spirit and administration given unto Man by Yeshua, the gravitation is always to the office of the Prophet or walking in the prophetic.
It's sad but true, but this hunger seems to be dominant in the Afro American community. Sure we do have this in other etnic groups. But in the Afro American community it is surpass by leaps and bound. Why?
I once shared on the old JBMB that the Black church will spearhead and spread false doctrine in the body of Christ. Today we hold and command presence on the platform of major arenas of the world. Our names cover the marqees and what we say is doctrine and good news. Why?
Those who are sound in the Word and discerment, take a step back and look for yourself. Why ?
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 22, 2006 10:46:40 GMT -5
"The Black church will spearhead and spread false doctrine in the body of Christ."
Can you tell me how you came to this conclusion? This seems like a very broad statement to make.
Please explain yourself.
Thanks....
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 22, 2006 11:20:16 GMT -5
What is it about a prophet that everyone (well most everyone) wants to be a prophet? Everywhere you look and go. Prophet this and prophetess that. The Prophetic Network (Beware of the Prophetic Network. This is the School of the Prophets of Balaam whose so called "master prophet" entertain that spirit and teaches the same doctrine). Of all the gifts of the Spirit and administration given unto Man by Yeshua, the gravitation is always to the office of the Prophet or walking in the prophetic. It's sad but true, but this hunger seems to be dominant in the Afro American community. Sure we do have this in other etnic groups. But in the Afro American community it is surpass by leaps and bound. Why? I once shared on the old JBMB that the Black church will spearhead and spread false doctrine in the body of Christ. Today we hold and command presence on the platform of major arenas of the world. Our names cover the marqees and what we say is doctrine and good news. Why? Those who are sound in the Word and discerment, take a step back and look for yourself. Why ? Good question. I was on a conference call the other night and everyone was "Prophetess" this and "Apostle" that and it really bothered me. The first thing that bothered me was all of the titles going back and forth and it was so hard to keep track!! It was crazy - I had to hang up! I believe that many people have a desire for the prophetic due to the "love" and "curiousity" of the unknown - the fact that someone may know something that others may not, really appeal to some. I have said this often and I will say it again - many do not understand the prophetic and therefore run after what they believe the prophetic is. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 22, 2006 11:20:34 GMT -5
"The Black church will spearhead and spread false doctrine in the body of Christ." Can you tell me how you came to this conclusion? This seems like a very broad statement to make. Please explain yourself. Thanks.... Another good question |
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Post by livinganewlife on Mar 22, 2006 11:43:49 GMT -5
In response to G3's statement about the prophetic ministry running rampant in the African American community, IMO I believe that in the African American church we suffer from a lack of identity and the only way for us to "feel good" and respected is to have all of these uncalled for titles and positions.
We are an underdeveloped people and IMO I truly believe that some AA organizations and leaders think they have the lock on spiritual gifts and anointing...
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Post by G3 on Mar 22, 2006 14:09:24 GMT -5
I pray that we will get some good meat from this. Livinganewlife hit it dead center. IDENTITY Living, your opinion is acually a living fact. The Word says that when we judge, to judge a rightious judgement. That judgement is based upon in 'RIGHT STANDING" in the Spirit and the Word of God.
A true man or woman of God in harmony with the Word of God and the enlightment of the Holy Spirit can't help but to view life in the body and the in the world, not from the standpoint of their emotions (though we weep) but from the viewpoint of the Godhead. What is viewed is very disturbing.
Concerning the "Black Church", the statemen is not flung out as a net in order grab what it can (in a broad sense), on the contrary it is calculated and precise and direct. All the things Yeshua taught the church not to do, we do. Such as seeking "TITLES". This deals with lack of identity and reverance to the Godhead. Not to have respect of person when it come to status. Do we still seek the high seats for big names and the whose who in our MEGA assymblies? Was Christ reachable? Could the hem of His garment be reached by the low degree? Could the least have conference with Him? Have the great title bearers today made themselves available in spite of the press (editorial)? If I were to identify and illiminate bALL the "FALSE DOCTRINES" 75% of "Black Christiandom" would have nothing to preach or teach about. What are we consume by to be Christ-like? Is it the fishes and loaves? Is it the fact we have power (demonstrating works that's a past glory) over ALL power of the enemy and nothing by any means shall harm (do we still preach and teach this with conviction)?
When the last time you heard the SAVING GOSPLE/b] of Christ? When is the last time you heard the BLOODY GOSPEL that broke the contrite heart? When the last time you heard a message from the throne of the Godhead that strip, pruned and purged you? When is the last time you heard the Gosple that challenged one' holiness, purity and compromise?
Maybe you don't see it because your fellowship is of the 25%.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Mar 22, 2006 14:11:40 GMT -5
Great post G3!
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 22, 2006 14:37:51 GMT -5
I just feel it's a broad statement since we don't observe other denominations or churches that aren't predominately black. I don't think predominately AA churches are different from any other body and that is from visiting and membership at churches that are not predominately AA. I think we are sometimes our own worst enemy when it comes to race related issues. We constantly tear each other down instead of praying and buiding each other up. That is why I abhor these race issues, because in Christ, it's no color... why don't we pray for our brothers and sisters instead of tearing them apart with statistical data... Please don't take offense... I am just venting my frustration....  |
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 22, 2006 15:09:56 GMT -5
I believe more people lean towards wanting to be a prophet or prophettes, because of what Paul had written. I believe this is what starts the yearning for many to want to prophecy.
Now I absolutely agree with livinganew about Identity Crisis in the AA community. For so long black men and women have been subjected to feeling that being black is a curse. Many AA people often have feelings of resentment for being BLACK..if it were not so, the slogan "say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud" would have never been created.
The enemy would love to have every other race and culture think that Black means: ignorant, dark, dismall, unclean, unpure..and etcc. However the devil is a LIAR!!
When we can come to terms that God made us in His likeness, When we can truly understand that We are royalty, We are God's chosen, We are his children, We are heirs to the throne, We are WHO the He says we are, and recognize WHO'S we are, we wont struggle with our Identity.
Lastly, People want to be prophets, because they want the fame of having their name known. And if this is the case, go back to the altar, and lay down on it. Because your motive is unpure which will result in stealing God's glory, and thinking that you are more than what you really are.
The real prophets, don't want to be prophets.
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 22, 2006 15:27:26 GMT -5
The enemy would love to have every other race and culture think that Black means: ignorant, dark, dismall, unclean, unpure..and etcc. However the devil is a LIAR!! We do that more than other races or even the enemy... we are our own enemy because we tear each other down instead of building each other up... |
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Post by giantsdodie on Mar 22, 2006 15:34:43 GMT -5
I can say this. There is a spirit loose. It is called the spirit of seduction. This is the prevailing spirit through which the enemy deceives many during this age. This spirit works very closely with the familar spirit and spirit of divination as well as the spirit of error and the anti christ spirit to seduce people to give heed to doctrines of devils for the purpose of leading them astray.
Now I will say this. Part of the problem is the amount of error in understanding the prophetic ministry. Many people even some leaders assume that if one prophecies a lot that they are a prophet and that is simply not the case. A prophet is called and ordained of God, not man.
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Post by G3 on Mar 22, 2006 15:53:36 GMT -5
No offense Sister Kay. I've been around and delt with some very extremely hard issues and situation. Because of my stance I hurt many days and nights from strained relationships. Mainly from my own family. But I am what I am and I can't change no more than a Leporad can change it's spots. Christ once said that I've come to bring a division. Dividing love ones in the same house. This dividing of religion and Truth.
But my sister, from minister to minister of the gosple, do not take offense also. Why? Example: I have two brothers I'm the oldest. They look up to me and I know this. If one steps out of line, he got trouble from me. I'm very hard on them. I have great expectation of my brothers. More than the Joe down the street. I'm even harder on my own son. Because of what I know about this world, and the fact that he is a black male, he must be that more better in what he do than the next guy just to survive. He can't afford to wander outside his standards. So I am hard on him. But with loving kindness that draws him. With that in mind, being black in this world, with Christ or not, the battles are greater. So for the survival of the AA in the body, we must come correct if we are to survive the judgement that is upon all of christiandom today. If we don't expose heresy and falshood in our fellowship we will only encourage and become one with it. If you desire the best for your people, cast off the scales and remove the muzzle. Become that watcher and be instant in season and out and deliever your people
If you are ripped to your heart because of a truth that has sanctified your fellowship with love one and friends, don't be offened, it goes with the territory
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Post by MsKayLander on Mar 22, 2006 16:10:03 GMT -5
My only offense is that we place so much emphasis on the AA community when it is a problem within the body of Christ... not just AA... I don't think the offenses of other races are brought in the forefront as quickly as we do because we are first to jump on the offense and tear our brothers and sisters down... I'm not harder on someone that is black, just someone who proclaims to be in relationship with Jesus Christ. I think it has more to do with teaching than with color... Pentecostal, predominately white churches in Italy... all have titles and operate just like Pentecostal churches here...so what is the difference... maybe I'm missing it...  |
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Post by G3 on Mar 22, 2006 16:26:56 GMT -5
Very true Giant. I watched a prophetic program read letters. The set was full of Balaams. One would read a letter. But first the amount of the offering in thr letter was announced. After the reading everyone in a spantanious manner would give a word to that person. One after another.
When you see these Balaams check and see what make up the congregation. We are so gullible and run after every wind (prophesy) and doctrine. That why I stress research study of the wilderness temptations (The Eye, The Flesh, and the Pride of Life) of Christ. Familiar spirits are just that. They are familiar with the host and the one of destitude. He will acommodate all that what we want to hear. He will even bring things to past. The Godhead will at times allow this to test the heart of His people. And this is the Word of God.
With the Father, and the Word proves it. Numbers means nothing. It's the quality of heart the Father is after. People should not get puffed up because their church range in the 10's of thousands. Numbers means nothing. Big deal that thousand attended sister and brother so and so conference. What were the walk like afterward? Did the friut remained?
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Post by giantsdodie on Mar 22, 2006 17:17:05 GMT -5
I disagree with this. Real prophets desire to see the will of God done in the earth and they accept the call and the mandate of God on their lives. They realize that it was GOD who choose them to be who and what they are and to deny that or to try to be anything else is a waste of time, effort and energy.
I know quite a few people who are called to be prophets, and they value what God has called them to be. simply because they value God and who He is. They realize that they are simply a vessel that God chooses to flow through in a particular mannner, and in all honesty they realize one thing....
They are servants.. both to GOD and to His people...
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