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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 22, 2008 20:03:54 GMT -5
yes but there are many that ARE voting for him because he is black (not realizing that this is just as racist as anything that McCain/Palin has said/done)
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 22, 2008 23:11:04 GMT -5
yes but there are many that ARE voting for him because he is black (not realizing that this is just as racist as anything that McCain/Palin has said/done) No it isn't.... as racist.... they are not provoking anger and hatred.... It is more than Sen. Obama race... It is his character, level of intelligent, self-control under attacks, his policies and what he can do for USA.... When Jesse Jackson was running, we didn't vote for him (I know, I didn't).... Many white are voting McCain/Palin, just because they are white... although McCain is too old and his health is not all that great and Palin is NOT ready or qualified for VP or President.... She don't know what the responsibilities of a VP.... even after Biden have explained during their debate. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 23, 2008 7:21:20 GMT -5
The best thing to me about this election is that the UGLINESS of America is being shown and broadcast on national TV.
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Post by giantsdodie on Oct 23, 2008 7:25:06 GMT -5
Oh yeah, one more thing.... I have been called a racist, as well as some other things because I have stated that Senator Obama is not getting my vote. It amazes me that because I choose not to vote simply on race then I am a racist. I believe I would do Senator Obama a disservice if I decide to vote based on race alone. IMO he is more than "just a black man running for president." Having said that, I will go on record to say that I am more than happy that we have made history. I am thrilled at the fact that he can draw such larger crowds - larger than any other presidential candidate. It is amazing. I have not seen you say yet why your are leaning toward McCain. I really wanted some feedback on that one. I would never ridicule someone choice for a candidate, I just like to hear why you are making the choices you would make. There are many black people who are not voting for Obama and thats cool. What I protest is when the media parades them out looking like idiots and they talk more about why they are NOT voting fo Obama than WHY they are voting for McCain. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 23, 2008 9:05:43 GMT -5
I have not yet determined that I am voting for McCain and therefore am not able to give you an answer at this time.
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Post by ybrown on Oct 23, 2008 9:26:07 GMT -5
Our voting patterns are so sharply defined, predictable and monolithic that it routinely delivers more than 90 percent of the black vote to whatever Democrat runs for president. 88% of African Americans voted for Kerry and Gore got 90% of our group vote. We've voted this way since the 1930's when the New Deal promised jobs and public assistance. Only the year has changed. Not much else. According to our vote as a group, Obama is the right party. The fact that he is the right color is just icing on the cake. Conditions haven't changed because we engage in single party politics and listen to race hustlers who can only stay in power and get rich by propagating the our victim status. I wish we could have this conversation.  |
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2008 12:02:41 GMT -5
Good to see you sis ybrown! I freely and honestly admit that, as an African American voter, I have long been guilty of EXACTLY what you've described. And it totally blows my former black nationalist mind that, of all times, much as I want to, and no matter how hard I've tried, I just can't bring that perspective to this historic election. Many people, particularly in my circle, are (understandably) stunned by that and some have even tried to revoke my "race card", LOLOL!!! |
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Post by kitty on Oct 23, 2008 12:26:56 GMT -5
Honestly....
I am more than up for any discussion about Blacks voting more for democrats than republicans...
Especially because we all act like it is simply based on brain washing... But nobody wants to vaguely explain the Repblican party would be any better?
Or maybe it's is because many people want Black people to vote with the idea that they pretend that they aren't Black or poor... For example... think of middle class or poor African American parent of young children.... Many Christians may say... vote republicans because they "claim" to be against abortion and gay rights... Yet they are also for reducing funding for public education and you have small kids, they are also for reducing health care and you don't have any insurance. You work over 40 hours a week but the republican party is/was against rasining miniunm wage... Then turn around and make it legal for companies to hire illegal aliens thus indirectly making the mininum wage non-effective...
I personally would love for people to explain to me personally why Black people should vote republican... EVER...
Especially because abortion rights have not been over turned and gays make more progress under republican leadership than any other ( or has anybody else noticed that...) Makes one go hhhhmmmmm......
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Oct 23, 2008 12:35:16 GMT -5
And Such,
You made it clear that you don't intend to vote for Obama... U have stated that he doesn't "get it". Yet you have never stated what it is that he doesn't get...
I would be just as curious to see what stops you from freely voting for McCain...
Kitty
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2008 12:39:31 GMT -5
Well, I'm no longer a democrat or a republican. But as a point of information, wasn't there a time in American history (around the time of President Lincoln) when the majority of Black folks were largely Republican supporters? I'm going to doublecheck, but I seem to remember that... |
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Post by kitty on Oct 23, 2008 12:49:58 GMT -5
Yes... Keita there was...
But the parties that we see today are not reflective of what was going on during civil war times....
Kitty
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2008 12:58:41 GMT -5
Sis kitty, I actually think that history played a major role in present day African American political party affiliation. It shows that the affiliation has been fluid, largely determined by events and issues, and a relatively recent phenonenon.
Check this out:
According to Michael Fauntroy, a professor at George Mason University and author of "Republicans and the Black Vote",
"Through the course of American history, the allegiance of the African-American vote has swung between the two major parties, often dictated by events.
It was naturally aligned with the Republican Party, the party of Abraham Lincoln, in the post-Civil War era. That allegiance, however, began to shift during the early decades of the 20th century.
Many African-Americans migrated to the northern industrial cities, and northern Democrats, with their eyes on electoral gains, began to woo their vote. At the same time, Republicans, facing electoral losses after being branded the party of African-American voters, began to retreat on their promises.
Two pivotal events followed: President Truman, a Democrat, integrated the armed forces in 1948, and another Democratic president, Lyndon Johnson, aided by a number of Republican lawmakers, enacted the Civil Rights Act in 1964.
Meanwhile, many white southern Democrats, who did not embrace the politics of their northern brethren, began a steady migration to the Republican Party following the presidential election of 1964, further cementing the allegiance of African-American voters to the Democratic Party.
Since the 1964 presidential election, the Democratic Party has won overwhelming majorities of the African-American vote..."
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 23, 2008 13:23:24 GMT -5
I've been an independence for a number of years... and a republican for about four years, before becoming an indep. I learned the hard way that their are more issues than abortion and homosexual agenda. Jesus is more concern about the poor, fatherless, widows, the sicks and even those who are in jail. Matthew 25:35-46
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Post by ybrown on Oct 23, 2008 14:08:37 GMT -5
Good to see you sis ybrown! I freely and honestly admit that, as an African American voter, I have long been guilty of EXACTLY what you've described. And it totally blows my former black nationalist mind that, of all times, much as I want to, and no matter how hard I've tried, I just can't bring that perspective to this historic election. Many people, particularly in my circle, are (understandably) stunned by that and some have even tried to revoke my "race card", LOLOL!!! Good to see you 2, Sis Keita. I see the remnants of that said Black nationalist past in your speech. It is evident in your love for our people when you speak about us, and that’s a beautiful thing. I have that love for us, but Sister, sometimes, we miss me off. It’s been 138 years since another man of mixed race (born to a white mother/black father), who was educated, celebrated for his excellent oratory skills and his ability to inspire, was elected as a first to a high government office. Hiram Rhodes Revels was the first Black person to be elected as a U.S. Senator. Senator Revels was known in the Senate as the voice of compromise and moderation as well as a staunch advocate of equality among blacks and whites. A couple of days ago I heard Obama on the radio fielding questions from R&B/classic soul oriented radio stations. I noticed something immediately when a certain line of questioning began. There was pushback, resistance which was evident in the follow-up questions from the radio show hosts when Obama’s speech became somewhat Cosby-esque. The minute Obama brought up out-of-wedlock pregnancies, lack of emphasis on education and taking responsibility for ourselves, I felt some of that love from the host(s) toward Obama, slowly seep. There was an atmospheric change. So much so that the moderator immediately retorted with the familiar victim mentality and he actually asked Obama something to the effect of, “What do you say to people who say you are blaming the victim (when you speak that way)?” What??? I'm like, "Huh?" As a people we cannot fathom that we have power and can control our future with and without racism in play. Instead, we demonize, hold in contempt and annihilate our own when they speak from a platform that says racism isn’t our only problem. After Cosby was proverbially ousted from the race and tagged as an Uncle Tom by many, I don’t think too many others will rise to speak the truth, even when it is done in love, and live to tell about it. |
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Post by keita on Oct 23, 2008 14:38:35 GMT -5
I see the remnants of that said Black nationalist past in your speech. It is evident in your love for our people when you speak about us, and that’s a beautiful thing. I have that love for us, but Sister, sometimes, we miss me off. LOLOL!!! Well, a lot of that echo you are hearing is definitely intentional on my part. I'm not one to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. But please do continue to bear with people like me, Jesse, Jeremiah and 'em, sis, lol! Because a lot of us do still have to be delivered from a victims' response to racism and into the powerful, spiritual, scriptural and prophetic TRUTH that: (I struck through "we cannot fathom that" only because I wholeheartedly believe that WE CAN (  ) and will, through OUR FATHER and HIS WORD.) |
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) and will, through OUR FATHER and HIS WORD.)