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Post by newseason on Jul 18, 2005 19:27:10 GMT -5
Praise the Lord
I was just wondering how do you recieve your deliverance
I have been struggling with certain issue's ever since I was a small child and I ask God to forgive and deliver me from these issu'es but I still finding my self doing the same thing over and over again it gets so frustrating and I am so afraid that God will leave me and cut me off
and turn me ove to a reprobate mind it is scary and that is my fear
love
newseason
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Post by oracle on Jul 18, 2005 20:07:14 GMT -5
Hi New Season.
I have been praying for you. And I would be in error to try and give advice and suggestions without knowing your testimony.
And so as to not push you into disclosing what you may not yet be able or ready to, may I suggest a couple of things that may help you.
First thing I would suggest to you is to PRESS your way.
Some things come easy in way of deliverance. Others come only by fasting and praying.
One thing I have learned sister, is that what God will not remove, He will grace us to endure. Jesus himself wanted to be spared the cross...but in obedience he prayed to the Father, and accepted what God ordained.
Mt 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Mt 26:40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
Mt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Mt 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Mt 26:43 And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.
Mt 26:44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.
In no way am I suggesting God wants you to continue in your suffering. But without knowing anything in detail, I can only partially help.
Also, try to go an hour or so studying and praying. Elevate your level of praise and worship. Study upon the weapons of spiritual warfare. And equip yourself for the fight of your life. We must PRESS toward the mark.
Study scriptures that are related to YOUR issues. And above all, when you pray, BELIEVE.
Also just to add something. Sometimes God is just testing us. To see how we react in the fire. ... In all learn to give HIM Glory and Praise for who He is. He loves you. And will never leave nor forsake you. BELIEVE in His promises. Read up on them. Study for yourself. And learn the joy of his presence in your dry season. It won't last long.
Blessings!
Oracle
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 19, 2005 6:12:06 GMT -5
Not only that, one thing I say is that you must just STOP doing it! Whatever it may be, sometimes we just have to STOP. Yes, it may be difficult and of course a struggle but there is where it starts.
Then continue to seek the face of the Lord and don't give in to the temptation.
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Post by oracle on Jul 19, 2005 11:09:33 GMT -5
I felt compelled to respond to the last comment, out of respect for the process of deliverance. It is so important to understand that a person who has an addiction, be it to sex, drugs, alcohol or whatever, HAVE tried to stop numerous times....and failed. Which is why it is a stronghold in their lives. If it were that easy to JUST STOP, there would be no need for a deliverance ministry. No need for AA and other programs out there.
I work in a deliverance ministry, and what I have learned is that some issues stem from more than the habit they now have...in other words, some sex addicts are thus, because of child rape, molestations, or something that happened as an adult...
The whole person must be ministered to, and sometimes deliverance will take place quickly, other times it will take longer. But with God all things are possible. And it is so important not to beat yourself up and feel that God has somehow condemed you...it is just not true..
Remember the story of the 10 lepers? Jesus healed them as they went....as they went on their way healing began.
By all means make every effort to stop. But what I am trying to hit home is this; stay in the word, and as you do, the Word can and will heal and make you whole. The Word of God will cleanse you, and the Blood of Jesus can wash you...Know that some things you can't do on your own, but only By the Power of Jesus Christ..
Be encouraged. God has begun a good work in you, and He will complete it...
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 19, 2005 11:15:47 GMT -5
I felt compelled to respond to the last comment, out of respect for the process of deliverance. It is so important to understand that a person who has an addiction, be it to sex, drugs, alcohol or whatever, HAVE tried to stop numerous times....and failed. Which is why it is a stronghold in their lives. If it were that easy to JUST STOP, there would be no need for a deliverance ministry. No need for AA and other programs out there. Please re-read my post - I acknowledged that it would not be easy and that it would be a struggle. The first step is to stop. I too work in a deliverance ministry and also know that many of the "addictions" that we see are really the manifestations of a deeper (root) issue. Amen! Okay, so I see that we ARE saying the same thing!  Amen! |
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Post by oracle on Jul 19, 2005 13:09:24 GMT -5
Back at cha! Unity in Jesus Name..VICTORY, as Elderbeck would say...LOL
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Post by stillfocused on Jul 19, 2005 20:46:30 GMT -5
Sometimes it's not always always simple and you may need deliverance in which someone will have to cast demonic spirits cast out of you..we don't like to talk it. Yet, there are times that one will go through that ..because not every thing we struggle with has to do something we opened a door; yet, the door was opened by someone else. Deliverance ministry is no joke; and one's life must be clean..no open doors in their own lives before they minister to
someone else; as not all are called to this ministry.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 20, 2005 4:35:03 GMT -5
as not all are called to this ministry. To that I say, AMEN! |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 20, 2005 6:23:25 GMT -5
Galatians 5:16-25 (KJV) 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
On my way to work this morning and praying about this post, this scripture came to mind. We want to be careful that we discern the source correctly when speaking of deliverance. Yes, there are times that a demonic influence is present but MOST times it is simply a work of the flesh which the above scripture states what we must do: crucify it.
Being in deliverance ministry, it is very important that one can discern the voice of the Lord for He will guide you to all truth. That being said, you will surely know when you are dealing with a demonic influence or when it is a work of the flesh that simply needs to die.
Crucifying the flesh, yes is a difficult process which is why we are instructed to die to it daily. We cannot decide one day to crucify then the next day feel we are safe - no, doesn't work that way. That is why it is important that we "renew our minds" and think on these things: "whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsover things are lovely, whatsover things are of good report; if there be any virture, and if there be any praise, think on these things".
Finally, as I was typing that this also came to mind. The word tells us that the Lord puts no more on us than we can bear but with every temptation, He provides a way of escape. Make sure you find that way of escape and take it!
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Post by oracle on Jul 20, 2005 9:02:13 GMT -5
Being called to any ministry requires that you are holy and santified...that is a given.
In no way was the suggestions given to this young lady done lightly, or simply.
I had been praying for this young lady, even before she posted this topic, just from some other post she had made...and since she has not disclosed WHAT her issues are, it is not wise to give her specific guidance..which is why I made some suggestions that may help her.
The ministry of deliverance is a worthy call, one I thank God for always. One I take very seriously.
Yesterday as I was studying, I came across a verse that for me, just gave me a hug from God...He is just good like that...
2co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
A deliverance minister must be proficient in intercessory, and must be a person that doesn't glory in their own accomplishments. Has no hidden agenda. Since pride is a huge factor in any ministry, it is essential to always give God the glory for anything done in His name. When and if the young lady cares to share the issue, here or to her own church family, then more can be done to help.
Other than that I continue to lift her up in prayer. Nothing more.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 20, 2005 9:08:22 GMT -5
Oracle,
I feel that you are addressing something "specific" or a "particular comment" in a post- would you mine clarifying that for me please. Just want to understand where you are coming from. Just for clarity, my post was not directed at anyone but was adding to the good information that has already been supplied. Usually when I am talking about a particular comment, I will use the "quote" feature to allow people to see where I am coming from (though at times, I do forget to use it). If I don't use it, I am just adding more information.
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Post by Nikkol on Jul 20, 2005 9:46:47 GMT -5
One thing that I know helps is to find out what occurs before you end up doing that particular action. For example, say that you have a problem with stealing food from stores. However, after thinking, you find out that this only occurs when you are hungry. Therefore, for this behavior you would need to stop going to the store hungry. Or if you have a problem with gossipping and you know that what occurs is that you get on the phone with a certian individual or you watch a particular show which causes you to go on "automatic".
I do believe that a person can be delivered immediately of whatever they are dealing with. At the same time, it is also important to talk with this person, be an accountability partner for this person so if they do become "weak" they can call someone. Keeping progress reports, etc.
I do agree with the one poster that discussed that there is a difference between demonic influence and our flesh wanting to do things. (Although I do believe that if we allow our flesh to get too much control it can become a demonic influence of many things).
Many times, as I somewhat mentioned before, we have a tendency of going on "automatic". This usually occurs when we do a certain activity for a long enough period of time. One natural example would be driving to work. We've been doing this drive for quite some time. It has gotten to the point that sometimes, if we even go near 76, we start driving to work, although we weren't suppose to be going there. i remember one time, we needed to go to the church before work to let the contractors in and as soon as we got near 76, we were back on automatic going near the church (thankfully we caught ourselves before we went too far). But that is what can easily happen, you (general) may need to stop the cycle way before the cycle begins. With the example regarding stealing food, you may need to not only make sure you eat but make sure that you are nowhere near particular stores if you are hungry.
For sexual issues, granted we shouldn't be alone with a person of the opposite sex, esp. at home (unless we're married to them) but for some people, going to the movies would be a no-no because it excites the flesh. For others, maybe talking on the phone is a no-no. It is during this time by which we are able to find out a lot about ourselves (general) to know what we can involve ourselves in..... hope that helps.
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Post by oracle on Jul 20, 2005 10:30:01 GMT -5
Oracle, I feel that you are addressing something "specific" or a "particular comment" in a post- would you mine clarifying that for me please. Just want to understand where you are coming from. Just for clarity, my post was not directed at anyone but was adding to the good information that has already been supplied. Usually when I am talking about a particular comment, I will use the "quote" feature to allow people to see where I am coming from (though at times, I do forget to use it). If I don't use it, I am just adding more information. Actually,Stillfocused had made a comment, and I wanted the purpose for why I was even trying to comment, to be clear...where I am coming from in terms of even trying to offer advice...in other words.. There was nothing specific to it. Just giving my point to the comment made. That's all... |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 20, 2005 10:40:23 GMT -5
Oracle, I feel that you are addressing something "specific" or a "particular comment" in a post- would you mine clarifying that for me please. Just want to understand where you are coming from. Just for clarity, my post was not directed at anyone but was adding to the good information that has already been supplied. Usually when I am talking about a particular comment, I will use the "quote" feature to allow people to see where I am coming from (though at times, I do forget to use it). If I don't use it, I am just adding more information. Actually,Stillfocused had made a comment, and I wanted the purpose for why I was even trying to comment, to be clear...where I am coming from in terms of even trying to offer advice...in other words.. There was nothing specific to it. Just giving my point to the comment made. That's all... Thanks, Smooches |
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Post by stillfocused on Jul 20, 2005 15:01:00 GMT -5
It's all good !! This many could be many times..it could demonic influence..it could be generational curses, and those are just a few things to mention. Thanks for adding the rest of the requirements for deliverance ministry....a ministry that many don't take seriously enough.
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