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[Beck]

I take it your married AT???

[Nikkol]

I still wonder why people put such an emphasis on a title. A title doesn't "make" you who you are. Whether you have the title or not, we are all told to be witnesses. This doesn't mean that you ever have to preach in one's pulpit. For honestly, the true work is done outside the 4 walls. Answering "the call" goes far beyond answering some questions and getting a piece of paper. Because whether or not you ever get the paper, we all still have a job to do......... actually that story sounds like a form of manipulation/bondage. To say that if you don't get the title that you are "supposed" to have you'll die.......

[And Such Were Some Of You]

His Child,

The most sound advice has been given to you and it was based on the Word of God. I know that Nikkol is married and therefore has an understanding of what it is to submit to the "head of the home" - her husband.

I encourage you to continue to seek the Word of the Lord and His Guidance in this matter. I will pray that God will begin to manifest His will in the life of you and your husband. There is strength in unity.

Please be a discerner of ALL things, including things posted on a message board.

[MsKayLander]

As I said previously... we have to make sure what we say is from the WORD... when people are seeking answers to questions, especially regarding marriage we have to be careful that we don't infuse our beliefs, doctrines or anything that is not based on the WORD into our response. We can carelessly destroy a marriage....

If we don't know that answer, seek GOD before you respond... sometimes saying NOTHING is the best thing we can do....

[kanyon]

anointedteacher said:

We are to submit to each other in the Body of Christ. If the Husband want to leave and she want to stay.... Do she have to leave too.... There is nothing in the Bible that say she have to stay in the same church with her husband.... He may have released her too. We can not assume God will not release her without her husband, we don't know what God will do. I'm not a person that will tell asomeone to leave their church..... I can not tell them not to leave since I don't know the whole story and what God have spoken to her and what she have been through..... All I can say she is not in bondage, That decision is between her and God.

AT

With all due respect, Lucifer thought the same thing. He was not happy with the position that God had created for him. He desired to be like the most high.

Ever since then he has determined to attack Gods order in marriage.

Doing Gods will has nothing to do with feeling.. it has everything to do with odedience.

As to ther reason for wanting to leave the church or go to another one, Giants had a good testimony on the other board before it crashed and we lost all the posts. It was not the best of situations but it was the place that God wanted him at the time for both his and the churchs benefit.

This old man is starting to ramble so I'd better quit or run.

[anointedteacher]

electladynb said:

I still wonder why people put such an emphasis on a title. A title doesn't "make" you who you are. Whether you have the title or not, we are all told to be witnesses. This doesn't mean that you ever have to preach in one's pulpit. For honestly, the true work is done outside the 4 walls. Answering "the call" goes far beyond answering some questions and getting a piece of paper. Because whether or not you ever get the paper, we all still have a job to do......... actually that story sounds like a form of manipulation/bondage. To say that if you don't get the title that you are "supposed" to have you'll die.......

Who talking about title, God gave every individual identity and purpose. It may be part of the five fold ministry, secretary, politic, school teacher etc. It about fulfilling God's purpose in life. Do those things that God have you to do and being in the place where God have you to be. God do the planting, directing and give purpose, NOT Husband, pastor, sister or brother) . God do not bent to what the husband, wife or pastor doctrine belief, want or desire. He have plans for individual life and for couples. Each individual should have their own identity and know what their purpose and call in Christ. I see couple with different ministries and calling and God some how bring those ministries together. But if that woman don't know who she is as an individual in Christ and her calling, she will never fulfill God's purpose in her life.

The story I gave is a true story... I have no reason to lie. My aunt was in bondage, she was boxed in, limited to what God have given her to do. It was against her denomination to preach and teach. She walked in the gifts of healing, highly anointed, but was trap in a box called church doctrines and belief.

I have never said if you don't get a title, you will die.... It not about title, it about God's purpose and NOT MAN OPINION, BELIEF or DOCTRINES. Misery that is not broken, it can cause depression, oppression which open the door to sickness and premature death. That why I told Hischild that her heart need to be changed toward the church, if she decide to stay. Being Stuck, is bondage. She need to be able to praise and worship God Freely like everyone else.

AT

[Nikkol]

HISCHILD: I apologize for going on such a tangent. However, I do need to correct some things with the posts that have been stated as to not give people the wrong idea and/or to cause marriages to break up due to non-biblical teachings:

Who talking about title, God gave every individual identity and purpose. It may be part of the five fold ministry, secretary, politic, school teacher etc. It about fulfilling God's purpose in life. Do those things that God have you to do and being in the place where God have you to be.

1. You mentioned title when you said that your aunt was called to be an evangelist but she was only a missionary. your words and I quote: "My aunt went to her grave not fulfilling her purpose in God for her life. She die when I was a little girl in the COGIC. She was called a Missionary, but God called her to be an Evangelist. I remember her prayers and preaching in the church basement. Women in that church was second class. She never answered the call of God on her life and her life was cut short." From this you have stated that she didn't answer her call "to be an Evangelist" and since we all know that we are all told to evangelize/preach/proclaim the gospel, you couldn't have been talking about that but could only be talking about the "title".

2. Noone has stated that God doesn't give each individual purpose/destiny.

God do the planting, directing and give purpose, NOT Husband, pastor, sister or brother). God do not bent to what the husband, wife or pastor doctrine belief, want or desire.

3. That is scripturally incorrect. From this statement you have blatantly went against scripture which many have tried to steer you back. So just so we can review the scriptures,

Ephesians 5:22-33
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Titus 2:3-5
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Apparently scripture lets us know the role of the woman and how the wife should revere and obey her husband.

He have plans for individual life and for couples. Each individual should have their own identity and know what their purpose and call in Christ. I see couple with different ministries and calling and God some how bring those ministries together. But if that woman don't know who she is as an individual in Christ and her calling, she will never fulfill God's purpose in her life.

4. This is actually a different issue altogether. Noone has stated that a woman should not have an identity. Husbands and wives should be able to work together in whatever God has called them to do. The KEY word is TOGETHER, as one flesh. The scriptures above tell us what we are to do and to teach.

The story I gave is a true story... I have no reason to lie. My aunt was in bondage, she was boxed in, limited to what God have given her to do. It was against her denomination to preach and teach. She walked in the gifts of healing, highly anointed, but was trap in a box called church doctrines and belief.

5. Once again true ministry is outside of the 4 walls. Just because a woman can't preach/teach in the pulpit doesn't lessen what God would have her to do. There are many other ways of ministering besides in a pulpit. If you have the gift of healing, that is needed more than just in the church building. People visit hospitals, minister to people in their neighborhood, go to the prisons, etc. and as a missionary, these are the things that people usually do.

6. Noone stated you lied but rather that you tried to link your aunt not being an evangelist (a title) to why she died too soon.

I have never said if you don't get a title, you will die.... It not about title, it about God's purpose and NOT MAN OPINION, BELIEF or DOCTRINES. Misery that is not broken, it can cause depression, oppression which open the door to sickness and premature death. That why I told Hischild that her heart need to be changed toward the church, if she decide to stay. Being Stuck, is bondage. She need to be able to praise and worship God Freely like everyone else.

7. Doctrine should be followed. Over and over again in scripture we hear about doctrine/teaching. We are to continue in the apostles doctrine, about sound doctrine, etc. I can give these scriptures if you desire.

8. Depression is not of God. The joy of the Lord is our strength. He will keep us in perfect peace if we keep our mind stayed on Him. A person will not always like where they are....... then again, when in scripture do we find that we will always like everything? or that we will always be "happy"?

9. Being "stuck" isn't bondage. There are times when we may be in a job that we don't like... yet we are there for a purpose but we may feel like we are stuck. Does that mean we are bound? No. Additionally, where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty and if nowhere else, the spirit of the Lord should be within you (general) and there is freedom right there.

10. It is good to be an atmosphere setter. Learn how to change the atmosphere that you are in rather than allowing the atmosphere change you. Just like if you go to someone's house and they have an attitude, if one isn't careful you (general) will have an attitude and everyone else that is in that room. However if you allow the spirit of God to come with you and change the atmosphere..... what a difference that change will make.

11. The WORD OF GOD tells us to submit to our husband; AT tells us "They suppose to submit to each other" andThat decision is between her and God.
12. The WORD OF GOD tells us to be obedient to our husband so that the Word of God not be blasphemed; AT tells us "A wife do have freedom to make some decisions concerning her life and where God have her to be"
13. THE WORD OF GOD tells us to reverence our husband; AT gives us the idea that the woman can "do what she wants irregardless of what the husband says"
14. THE WORD OF GOD says that the joy of the Lord is our strength and that he will give us joy unspeakable and that full of glory. AT tells us about being "depressed" and in "misery" because we don't get our own way.
15. The WORD OF GOD tells us that it is no longer twain but one flesh and that the husband is to cleave to the wife; AT tells us "We can not assume God will not release her without her husband, we don't know what God will do."

I pray that we will heed to the WORD OF GOD and not the arms of flesh.

[MsKayLander]

Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. ;D

[Jasmine]

The cogic has always recognized women as Evangelists.

You are either a Missionary, A Deaconess Missionary, or an Evangelist Missionary.

If she was not given the title of Evangelist Missionary, that had nothing to do with COGIC, but merely..the Pastor of that church.

Also, I rarely question people about their marital status when they are trying to help another brother or sister in the Lord. Hischild, Your husband holds headship, and if he does not want to leave the church then there is a reason for it.

MY question is..why do you want to leave? Why does your husband want to stay?

[Nikkol]

misskaylander said:

Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. ;D

AMEN!

That's my quote. At the same time I found myself in
Pr 27:5...........
Open rebuke is better than secret love. :-D

[MsKayLander]

Touche! ;D

[And Such Were Some Of You]

Great response, Nikkol!

[anointedteacher]

1. You mentioned title when you said that your aunt was called to be an evangelist but she was only a missionary. your words and I quote: "My aunt went to her grave not fulfilling her purpose in God for her life. She die when I was a little girl in the COGIC. She was called a Missionary, but God called her to be an Evangelist. I remember her prayers and preaching in the church basement. Women in that church was second class. She never answered the call of God on her life and her life was cut short." From this you have stated that she didn't answer her call "to be an Evangelist" and since we all know that we are all told to evangelize/preach/proclaim the gospel, you couldn't have been talking about that but could only be talking about the "title".

2. Noone has stated that God doesn't give each individual purpose/destiny.

Evangelist is a calling from God not just a title and I wasn't referring tio title, but God's purpose for her life.... This is what she was born to do. Missionary is what MAN made her not God. Within the fivefold ministry we DO NOT choose to be... some are born as an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher. What I'm saying she obey Man over God.

Quote:God do the planting, directing and give purpose, NOT Husband, pastor, sister or brother). God do not bent to what the husband, wife or pastor doctrine belief, want or desire.



3. That is scripturally incorrect. From this statement you have blatantly went against scripture which many have tried to steer you back. So just so we can review the scriptures,

Ephesians 5:22-33
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Titus 2:3-5
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Apparently scripture lets us know the role of the woman and how the wife should revere and obey her husband.

WHAT THIS HAVE TO DO WITH GOD'S PLANTING, PURPOSE, DIRECTION IN A PERSON LIFE. Are you saying a wife must put her husband above God.... Is that what the scripture saying... Not once I say disobey your husband.... A wife and A husband must hear the voice of God for themselves and obey.... This don't mean a wife should not submit to her husband, unless it is contradicting or go against the Word of God.

4. This is actually a different issue altogether. Noone has stated that a woman should not have an identity. Husbands and wives should be able to work together in whatever God has called them to do. The KEY word is TOGETHER, as one flesh. The scriptures above tell us what we are to do and to teach.

All I told Hischild that she is not in bondage..... Another word, she have liberty to make decision, since she put YEARS of praying and fasting. NOt once she said her husband disagree with it. You make sound like a wife don't have a mine, feeling or purpose apart from her husband. Some couples do have different callings and ministries, they just support each other. Most ppl are called before marriage and some working in minstry before they met their spouse. Many of us marry men/women of our choice and not God's. Some have different purpose, calling and ministries, but God bring them together and work it out (if they allow Him ) without hindering each other.

5. Once again true ministry is outside of the 4 walls. Just because a woman can't preach/teach in the pulpit doesn't lessen what God would have her to do. There are many other ways of ministering besides in a pulpit. If you have the gift of healing, that is needed more than just in the church building. People visit hospitals, minister to people in their neighborhood, go to the prisons, etc. and as a missionary, these are the things that people usually do.

6. Noone stated you lied but rather that you tried to link your aunt not being an evangelist (a title) to why she died too soon.

True ministry is doing whatever GOD CALL YOU TO DO.... rather it is outside the four walls or on the pulpit.... IT IS NOT MAN CHOICE.

7. Doctrine should be followed. Over and over again in scripture we hear about doctrine/teaching. We are to continue in the apostles doctrine, about sound doctrine, etc. I can give these scriptures if you desire.

What I see is Denominational Doctrines, Man Doctrines and Opinion.

8. Depression is not of God. The joy of the Lord is our strength. He will keep us in perfect peace if we keep our mind stayed on Him. A person will not always like where they are....... then again, when in scripture do we find that we will always like everything? or that we will always be "happy"?

True.... But if you put years of fasting and praying and still feel greived, than there is a problem... You need to be able to praise and worship God in Spirit and in Truth, sometime. How can you be faithful to a ministry and to those in leadership, feeling greive and stuck.

9. Being "stuck" isn't bondage. There are times when we may be in a job that we don't like... yet we are there for a purpose but we may feel like we are stuck. Does that mean we are bound? No. Additionally, where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty and if nowhere else, the spirit of the Lord should be within you (general) and there is freedom right there.

Being Stuck is bondage... No child of God should feel stuck or trapped.... Most of the time, God did not put us on a job or in a church, we made our own decision by taking the first thing that come cross our past. Many of us were not planted in the Church by God, we visit a church and felt good and planted ourselves.... Most believers men and women, husband as well as wife.... do not listen to the voice of God or allow themselve to hear God speaking to them.

10. It is good to be an atmosphere setter. Learn how to change the atmosphere that you are in rather than allowing the atmosphere change you. Just like if you go to someone's house and they have an attitude, if one isn't careful you (general) will have an attitude and everyone else that is in that room. However if you allow the spirit of God to come with you and change the atmosphere..... what a difference that change will make

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She put in Years of fasting and praying and the atmosphere have not change.... Her heart need to change toward the ministry and she must walking in forgiveness if she been wounded by someone or people, if she stay or leave. She need to be healed.

11. The WORD OF GOD tells us to submit to our husband; AT tells us "They suppose to submit to each other" andThat decision is between her and God.

I never said the desicion is just between her and God. Why put quotation mark when you are not quoting what I said, but twisting thing around... IT IS NOT OF GOD. Peolple with lying spirit do that.

There are time where a husband need to listen to his wife. There men that can testify How their wives saved them from shame and hardship. Many time a wife can see thing that her husband can't and a husband see things that a wife can't see. They will tell Their husband, not to go that way, or that person is not good for you, be careful. Bible do tell us the believer to submit to each other. If the husband and wife are saved, they are part of that group.

12. The WORD OF GOD tells us to be obedient to our husband so that the Word of God not be blasphemed; AT tells us "A wife do have freedom to make some decisions concerning her life and where God have her to be"

If your husband tell you to have to rob the bank... are you blasphemed if you decided not to obey. God Word, Will Way, Instruction, direction and purpose come first. It was there before husband want born. Submit ...yes, but it can not contradict God's Word, and Will for your life

13. THE WORD OF GOD tells us to reverence our husband; AT gives us the idea that the woman can "do what she wants irregardless of what the husband says"

You just lied... I never mention "want" I said Obey God and I never mention a Wife should not obey her husband.... I did say she should follow the direction of God and hear from Him. Man is not infallable

14. THE WORD OF GOD says that the joy of the Lord is our strength and that he will give us joy unspeakable and that full of glory. AT tells us about being "depressed" and in "misery" because we don't get our own way.

WOW You are WICKED .... you have a BAD BAD spirit A LYING spirit.... Need Deliverance.... willfully sinning
That is one sin that went before you in judgment. I never said that, and you know it

15. The WORD OF GOD tells us that it is no longer twain but one flesh and that the husband is to cleave to the wife; AT tells us "We can not assume God will not release her without her husband, we don't know what God will do."

Hischild never say her husband agree or disagree.... .... I believer she talked with him... If he love her as Christ love the church, and see how deeply she feel about this situation... he probably just left the discision up to her.

I pray that we will heed to the WORD OF GOD and not the arms of flesh.

THEN GET OUT OF THE FLESH AND BE DELIVER FROM A LYING SPIRIT!!!

AT

[Nikkol]

I'm going to take this off line but if you read your comments you'll see where all that information came from. No lying spirit by me. I just chose not to write the whole statement...... :-)

Anyways, back to the topic at hand:
HISCHILD: Is there anything that you want to do there by which you are unable to do? What exactly are you looking for?

[anointedteacher]

electladynb said:

I'm going to take this off line but if you read your comments you'll see where all that information came from. I just chose not to write the whole statement......

Anyways, back to the topic at hand:
HISCHILD: Is there anything that you want to do there by which you are unable to do? What exactly are you looking for?

You Chose to lie, mislead and twist words around, You know how to use the quote, better than anybody on the board, just want to be evil, want because I would not bent toward your opinion .

Of Course.... you going to take it off line.... Isn't that what UN JUST People do....

Did you get permission fron your Husband to come on the board and lie ;D

Pr 27:5...........
Open rebuke is better than secret love. :-D

open rebuke or open lie

AT