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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 4, 2007 23:50:59 GMT -5
IMO we often confuse coincedence with confirmations, and unfortunately that can often lead to deception.
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Post by kitty on Nov 4, 2007 23:51:14 GMT -5
Hey Jessica,
Are you in philly? when Nikkol and I went out that was back in 2004.
Oh yeah Nikkol... I haven't had the chance to hang out a lot socially... But I look forward to being more socially in 2008. In the past year I have been traveling back and forth to chicago alot. This is the first time that I have slowed down just a little bit...
Kitty
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 5, 2007 10:25:17 GMT -5
One of the thing I have learned in my walk with God is that I am still learning how to heard God accurately. Sometimes it seems as if thing are crystal clear and other times it seems like I am listening through mud. However I realize thats far more an issue with me than an issue with GOD because HE certainly speaks CLEARLY.
I believe as far as marriage goes I believe we need to approach things a little differently. One of the issue that I see a lot is that we come to GOD with OUR wants.. OUR needs and OUR desires, yet we never ask GOD about HIS wants, HIS needs or HIS desires. If we would spend more time seeking HIS desires for our lives I believe we would get better answers and better success. We come with OUR vision of marriage, but what is HIS vision for OUR marriage.
I also believe GOD will tell both people.
Ok you were praying to God about who you should marry and you received a name. Thats NOT confirmation. Thats an answer. Confirmation is GOD confirming the answer you were given. The Bible says that out of the mouths of TWO or THREE let a thing be established. Until you have two or three, it would be wisdom to WAIT.
Ok this was your plan to call him and then watch God work. First.. was that GOD's plan? Was GOD even in that plan? Did you ask GOD if you should even make the phone call ? This seems to be a little presumptuous.
This seems to me to be a place where an issue could develop. He is leading the prayers ? Who was His covering? Were they aware of this situation? What about your spiritual covering ? Were they aware? It always a good idea when dealing in the area of marriage to get someone in leadership aware. I told y leadership. My wife told her pastor. And when these prayers were going uop what did GOD say BACK if anything ??
Thats not necessarily confirmation. First off again I have to ask even though we have an idea for the perfect wedding every vision we have in and for our lives MUST be submitted to GOD first and foremost.
Remember there is a very real enemy who has a LOT of INFORMATION on us and he can use that info to deceive.
And you had signs all along the way as well
While I understand what you are saying, I would say in all honesty this person was not qualified from the beginning. My situation the person became disqualified because they would not obey GOD or submit to HIS instruction. It was because of this GOD said, " If she will NOT submit to me, she cant be a wife to you", also this person was given TIME to submit and line up with GOD and GOD even told her DIRECTLY ( which SHE told me ) This man is MY choice for you. Anyone else you get will be YOUR CHOICE...
What I see as the main difference is that in the other situation God was clearly speaking and instructing all along the way.
In fact when GOD said she is disqualified I said GOD what do you mean. HE said clearly.. You know the story of the ten virgins. I said yes.. He said well when the bridgegroom came.. five were ready.. five were not.. He said The Bridgegroom is ME( Meaning GOD.. )I revealed. I gave her time to get ready.. she refused to submit to my will even when it was REVEALED to Her directly AND through her Pastor... her lack of submission Disqualifies her.
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Post by kitty on Nov 5, 2007 11:45:50 GMT -5
Giants,
I agree with all that you have posted above... But I will say that I learned it the hard way. I did bring the matter to my pastor. She said that she would keep me in prayer about it. Yet she also told me that she hadn't received anything from God about it.
She basically told me that she couldn't tell me if it was from God or not. But that was early on in the situation before things took a turn for the worst.
This is one of the ways that the situation that I am in now is different. It was confirmed by someone that I knew heard from God clearly. He had given me words of edification and instruction about areas in my life that I had never discussed with anyone, prior to this occuring. This person was a Rev. that I was in contact with for guidance and prayer. God gave him a vision of the person... which included details of a new suit that he had just gotten and worn to church.
Even still because of the prior experience I am proceeding with caution... I take this up with God daily and basically I will see what God does when we start to spend time together in Dec.
Kitty
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 5, 2007 13:10:16 GMT -5
Well along that lines one of my best friends met a woman who he believed was his wife and it was confirmed for him in a similar way. God gave one of his prayer partners a vision regarding a woman in a tan pants suit and described her exactly, and he never met the woman.
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Post by livinganewlife on Nov 5, 2007 14:26:58 GMT -5
Many times when we are single the enemy comes into our life to trick us and do whatever is necessary to cause us to loose faith in God and the area that the enemy attacks singles most is in the area of seeking a mate…..
Your story reads like mines…..many years ago (and I have shared this on the BB before) I had dreams, confirmations, coincidences and what have you that this certain man was going to be my husband…… He was a drug dealer (but he was a believer) so in my many dreams, visions and prophecies the Lord was going to save him and we were going to have a great ministry together…..I wasn’t all the way committed but I had enough sense to seek the Lord about this relationship…..
I went through major abuse for years because I was holding on to a promise that I thought was of God….. that messed with my mind Big Time!
From talking with the members of this BB and members of the past BB it was brought to my attention that familiar spirits are in operation….
Even married I still struggled with why God would do this to me…what was the purpose of God doing me like this….. And then I realized that God does not play with us like this and that it is the spirit of the enemy that is trying to attack singles…. Most saved single women are together regarding there finances, careers walk with God, church work or what have but the only area single saved woman lack in is “finding a suitable mate (or waiting to be found by a suitable mate)…..
Well as time went on and I broke off with this guy, I became more committed to God and start praying and seeking the Lord more and it seemed as if every time I met someone and prayed about them the person and I would end up breaking it off…. I would have a harder time breaking of the relationship because I had consulted God on this relationship and now it is failing again……. I went through two major break ups and after those relationships….I stopped praying about relationships and marriage……I was so afraid about hearing anything from God concerning relationships.
But when I woke up from this emotional rollercoaster I was on, the one thing that kept replaying in my head is that GOD does not play with our emotions like that. Period and point blank GOD does not play with our emotions……
Yes God gives us choices but those choices aren’t necessarily supernaturally confirmed…. I have come to realize that there are some things I really don’t need any revelation on just based on the Word of God the situation is out of order.……..
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Post by kitty on Nov 5, 2007 22:43:43 GMT -5
Livinglife,
Thanks for sharing your testimony and for your prayers... So how did you resolve thing enought to get married? What was that process like? Did you pray about it?
Kitty
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Post by chosen on Nov 5, 2007 22:46:18 GMT -5
Many times when we are single the enemy comes into our life to trick us and do whatever is necessary to cause us to loose faith in God and the area that the enemy attacks singles most is in the area of seeking a mate….. Your story reads like mines…..many years ago (and I have shared this on the BB before) I had dreams, confirmations, coincidences and what have you that this certain man was going to be my husband…… He was a drug dealer (but he was a believer) so in my many dreams, visions and prophecies the Lord was going to save him and we were going to have a great ministry together…..I wasn’t all the way committed but I had enough sense to seek the Lord about this relationship….. I went through major abuse for years because I was holding on to a promise that I thought was of God….. that messed with my mind Big Time! From talking with the members of this BB and members of the past BB it was brought to my attention that familiar spirits are in operation…. Even married I still struggled with why God would do this to me…what was the purpose of God doing me like this….. And then I realized that God does not play with us like this and that it is the spirit of the enemy that is trying to attack singles…. Most saved single women are together regarding there finances, careers walk with God, church work or what have but the only area single saved woman lack in is “finding a suitable mate (or waiting to be found by a suitable mate)….. Well as time went on and I broke off with this guy, I became more committed to God and start praying and seeking the Lord more and it seemed as if every time I met someone and prayed about them the person and I would end up breaking it off…. I would have a harder time breaking of the relationship because I had consulted God on this relationship and now it is failing again……. I went through two major break ups and after those relationships….I stopped praying about relationships and marriage……I was so afraid about hearing anything from God concerning relationships. But when I woke up from this emotional rollercoaster I was on, the one thing that kept replaying in my head is that GOD does not play with our emotions like that. Period and point blank GOD does not play with our emotions…… Yes God gives us choices but those choices aren’t necessarily supernaturally confirmed…. I have come to realize that there are some things I really don’t need any revelation on just based on the Word of God the situation is out of order.…….. What a testimony, Thank you for sharing livinganewlife. Ohhhhhh I also wanted to say Miss Kitty you are not by yourself. I read your testimony and alote of what you are going through right now is similar to what Im going through. I know that some situations may differ. Trust me you are not by yourself. Be Blessed Jessica Love Jessie |
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Post by kitty on Nov 14, 2007 23:37:15 GMT -5
Giants...
You know I have really wondered about your testimony that involves the first person that God placed in your life but was disqualified. I can undestand that God may have used you to teach her a lesson...
But let me ask you this... Do you think God can make a "presentation" an have a person reject you not because of anything in personal characterstics... but just because of personal preference?
If so what would God's purpose be in doing something like that?
I'm sure that someone could say thagt God is teaching the other person that His ways and wisdom and greater than his own desires and that person misses out an Godly mate because of free will...
But what about the person that has been rejected? What are they supposed to think about supposely God;s choice rejecting them? To that person... wouldn't they think that God doesn't care about them or Lacks the ability to choose wisely and lovingly for them?
Kitty
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Post by chosen on Nov 14, 2007 23:43:32 GMT -5
Giants... You know I have really wondered about your testimony that involves the first person that God placed in your life but was disqualified. I can undestand that God may have used you to teach her a lesson... But let me ask you this... Do you think God can make a "presentation" an have a person reject you not because of anything in personal characterstics... but just because of personal preference? If so what would God's purpose be in doing something like that? I'm sure that someone could say thagt God is teaching the other person that His ways and wisdom and greater than his own desires and that person misses out an Godly mate because of free will... But what about the person that has been rejected? What are they supposed to think about supposely God;s choice rejecting them? To that person... wouldn't they think that God doesn't care about them or Lacks the ability to choose wisely and lovingly for them? Kitty Wow sister kitty that is a really good point! |
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 14, 2007 23:57:25 GMT -5
Giants... You know I have really wondered about your testimony that involves the first person that God placed in your life but was disqualified. I can undestand that God may have used you to teach her a lesson... But let me ask you this... Do you think God can make a "presentation" an have a person reject you not because of anything in personal characterstics... but just because of personal preference? If so what would God's purpose be in doing something like that? I'm sure that someone could say thagt God is teaching the other person that His ways and wisdom and greater than his own desires and that person misses out an Godly mate because of free will... But what about the person that has been rejected? What are they supposed to think about supposely God;s choice rejecting them? To that person... wouldn't they think that God doesn't care about them or Lacks the ability to choose wisely and lovingly for them? Kitty Ill answer this when I am less tired.. I just wanted to let you know I saw it.. |
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Post by kitty on Nov 15, 2007 1:43:22 GMT -5
Hey Jessica,
Yes I just had to pose that question because it had to make me wonder... What if my first situation which for years I called my "counterfeit" was really God? And he just simply choose to go another way...
And now he is happily married to the woman he chose to dump me for... who got him because she decided to sleep with him and have sex where as I wouldn't... At this point they have been married for about 2 and a half almost 3 years....
If it were true that he was really God's choice then clearly he isn't receiving any lessons from not choosing me!
But for the record... I really don't believe that to be God... I have prayed to God about why that situation occured? In fact the answer I received was almost as confusing as the situation itself...
One night when I called out to God about the emotional pain I was in.... I declared to God that there was no way that this situation could have been of Him! I said there was no way that He could have done that too me.
The answer I received was this phrase... " Pharisee Heresey".
Now for months I studies to try to figure out what God was saying to me by this... At first I believed that God was declaring me to say he was a liar... and that this situation was indeed going to come to pass... But as we can all see that's not the case. This young man in question got married. Granted I had long moved on by then... Nor do I have any feeling left for him. But it makes the answer I received just that more confusing...
Bottom line... I thought God is not the author of confusion... Thus as Living suggest. I believed that I have been a victim of the devil... a lying spirit. I believed that I had been spiritually deceived.
That is why before I got started in my current situation... I really got before God and declared my love of the truth! I told God to protect me from being spiritually deceived...
I told God that I didn't want to desire anything or anybody that was outside of His will for my life. I asked for the spirit of truth to cover me... Then God brough back to my recollection the vision he had given me of this guy before I ever met him. The vision in which God said this is your husband... And as I posted before... I received confirmation from a Rev. whom I was in contact with for prayer.
But... what if... this guy says... hey I got free will... I don't think I want to go this way. What if he may think, she nice but not tall enough or pretty enough or whatever reason... Then what?
Should I still think the situation is of God? Would this be a "test of my faith" to think God is going to change his mind? Would this be round 2 of God deciding to turn me over to the devil like Job?
Kitty
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Post by chosen on Nov 15, 2007 1:58:09 GMT -5
hmmmmmm kitty girl , you really got me thinking. Just like you stated, God is not the Aurthor of confusion. God cannot lie, He never fails. He is the way, the truth, and the life. There is no fault in Him. The Bible say's that a liar will not tarry in His sight, so God depises a liar. The devil does have to go through God to get to us, just like Job sometimes Your name will come up" Have you considered my servant". I don't totally understand everything God does and why He allows certain to happen to us, or allows us to go through different situations.
Love
Jessica
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 15, 2007 7:49:25 GMT -5
Side Note: I think that one thing that may be being overlooked is God's omniscience. All those things (or people that are deemed counterfeits) that occur are already part of the "calculation". Nothing is a "shock" to God and so even what we see as "free will" is something that was already a part of God's plan.
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Post by kitty on Nov 15, 2007 8:54:41 GMT -5
Nikkol,
thanks for your response.... Can you explain it a little more? How do you think God's omniscience is being overlooked? It is actually part of what I am questioning in thesetypes of situations...
If God already knows that someone is not going to receive you then why would he direct you to that person? And Ultimately my question is... If a single saved person, has turned to God and turned the choice of marriage over to Him. Where they are not actively seeking people to date or marry, but has left the decision of who that person is up to God...
Then WOULD God REALLY choose someone He already knows wouldn't receive you? Would reject you? And if so... why would that be His choice?
Now I know that Giants has said that in his case the person was being taught a lesson. That definitely can't be said of the situation that I posted about the "counterfeit guy" who I thought was God's choice but dumped me and married someone else?
Kitty
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