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Post by Grace on Apr 3, 2006 13:19:50 GMT -5
According to the wife's lawyer who appeared on Dateline, he stated that the wife says the shooting was unintentional and ran because she didn't believe anyone would believe her.
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 3, 2006 15:18:47 GMT -5
According to the wife's lawyer who appeared on Dateline, he stated that the wife says the shooting was unintentional and ran because she didn't believe anyone would believe her. The attorney eluded that the shooting maybe accidental, nothing yet has been determined in regards to a motive.......... |
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 3, 2006 17:18:31 GMT -5
Why are we waiting on a motive? to see if she was within her rights? Nothing ever justifies murder. Emotions can get the best of us and drive us to certain things, however..its never justified. We never have the right to take another man's life.
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 4, 2006 8:39:37 GMT -5
Why are we waiting on a motive? to see if she was within her rights? Nothing ever justifies murder. Emotions can get the best of us and drive us to certain things, however..its never justified. We never have the right to take another man's life. I think Jas, people are waiting on a motive because it will determine the outcome of her sentencing. Example/ she can be charged with 1st degree murder if there was "premeditation" or she can be charged with a lesser charge (involuntary manslaughter) if this was determined an accident, and the list goes on............ The motive does not justify the killing at all it only determines the sentencing and how the attorney's try the case...... I personally know her attorney's that is why this case is interesting to me, i can't speak for no one else.......... |
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Post by Grace on Apr 4, 2006 9:38:28 GMT -5
Well right now the charges are already 1st degree. then the renting of the condo really makes it seem as if there was premeditation. Your right Jasmine nothing can justify her killing. Right now what I see is a family that has been destroyed with not only the loss of a fatehr but a mother as well.
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Post by Beck on Aug 15, 2006 14:50:20 GMT -5
(CNN) -- A preacher's widow walked Tuesday out of the Tennessee jail where she had been held since her March 23 arrest for allegedly killing her husband with a single shotgun blast.
With eyes cast downward, Mary Winkler clutched the hands of her lawyers, Steve Farese Jr. and Leslie Ballin, and sighed as she walked out the McNairy County Justice Center in Selmer, Tennessee, shortly before noon.
Winkler, 32, did not speak, and she did not look up as her lawyers paused briefly to address news crews that had staked out the courthouse for days. (Watch Winkler's tenuous first seconds of freedom -- 1:12)
Farese urged the media to respect his client's privacy as she adjusts to her freedom. "She will have to get used to carrying a purse again. She mentioned that today, " he said before hustling her into a waiting car.
Winkler's attorneys worked feverishly for five days to secure her release from the McNairy County jail in Selmer, Tennessee. With rollercoaster drama, it seemed imminent on several occasions, only to be delayed.
Winkler pleaded not guilty last month to a grand jury indictment charging her with first-degree murder. In Tennessee, murder defendants can obtain bond if they are not charged with a capital crime.
Judge Weber McCraw set bond at $750,000.
The indictment alleges Mary Winkler killed her husband, Matthew Winkler, with premeditation in the couple's bedroom at the church parsonage. But prosecutors have not given notice that they are pursing a capital murder conviction punishable by the death penalty or life in prison.
A third generation preacher, Matthew Winkler, 31, was minister of the Fourth Street Church of Christ in Selmer. Church members came looking for him when he failed to turn up for a service and found him dead in the bedroom on March 22, shot in the back.
Money troubles
At a bond hearing in June, an investigator testified that Mary Winkler said she "snapped" because of the couple's strained finances and what she told authorities was her husband's repeated criticism.
Tennessee Bureau of Investigation agent Brent Booth read from Winkler's initial statement to police: "I heard the boom, and he rolled out of the bed on the floor, and I saw some blood on the floor and some bleeding around his mouth. I went over and wiped his mouth off with a sheet. I told him I was sorry and that I loved him. And then I went and ran.
"He asked me, 'Why?' and I just said I was sorry," Booth read.
Winkler's attorneys have asked the judge to suppress statements she made to police in Alabama and Tennessee after her arrest. In those statements, Winkler told officers she did not want to smear her husband's name in public, according to another defense attorney, Leslie Ballin.
The suppression of evidence hearings last week shed additional light on what police say Winkler told them.
She told Alabama officers that the killing was not planned and that she had been verbally and emotionally abused by her husband, Ballin said. She also said she had been through a life-threatening event in the past year, Ballin said.
'My ugly came out'
The attorney would not elaborate on that event, and no details were given about the abuse Mary Winkler claimed she suffered. Winkler did tell police that the emotional and verbal abuse from her husband had worsened over the past year.
"I have nerve now, and I have self-esteem. So, my ugly came out," Alabama investigator Stan Stabler quoted Mary Winkler as saying, according to a report on the hearing published in The Jackson Sun. She referred to herself as a "moron" and an "evil woman," the newspaper reported.
In addition, Winkler told Tennessee authorities about losing $17,000 in what investigators have described as a "Nigerian 419" check-kiting scam.
Winkler will be driven to McMinnville, Tennessee, where she is to live with Kathy Thomsen, an old friend. The Winklers lived in McMinnville before moving to Selmer just over a year ago.
Winkler has a job lined up at a dry cleaner in McMinnville, according to testimony at her bond hearing.
Under terms of the bond, the Thomsens can keep no guns in the house and Winkler is not allowed to leave the county except for meetings with her attorneys, court appearances and visits with her children -- Patricia, 8; Mary Alice, 6; and Breanna, 1.
After the shooting, Winkler drove with the children to Orange Beach, Alabama, where she was arrested the next day.
Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 13, 2007 13:09:21 GMT -5
Did anyone see Mary Winkler on Oprah yesterday?
Mary Winkler says she is now the new face for Domestic Violence.... I guess she and Juanita Bynum can join together and unite in their cause........
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 13, 2007 13:23:14 GMT -5
I was at the gym watching and reading the dialog. I was listening to music at the time but more attentive to reading the words flowing across the TV.
Now. It struck me strange that, oprah said.. tell me what happened. She would go on to describe some things, and oprah would jump in and say, " i read, I heard" he did this or did that, and then she would say "Is that what happened" and mary would respond...Mmmhmm.
I mean come on now. I just felt like some of the stuff she was saying didn't add up.
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 14, 2007 8:40:58 GMT -5
Jasmine, I saw this too and this woman showed no remorse or anything...she was sitting there with Oprah acting as if she had just killed a fly....and not her preacher, pastor husband or the father of her children.....
It is really praying time.....
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Post by MsKayLander on Sept 14, 2007 9:52:11 GMT -5
Did anyone see Mary Winkler on Oprah yesterday? Mary Winkler says she is now the new face for Domestic Violence.... I guess she and Juanita Bynum can join together and unite in their cause........ That was a low blow.....  |
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Post by Beck on Sept 14, 2007 10:11:07 GMT -5
This is my problem with domestic voilence that men have created. Now the system allows women to get away with murder if they cry that he beat her. The woman shot her husband with a shot gun and wiped the blood of his lips while he whispered.."why". She gets next to nothing as far as jail time all because she claimed her abused her. NO PROOF OF IT what so ever.. This is the system men created for themselves so I guess we have to live with it UNTIL men start crying abuse on their spouses..lol
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Post by MsKayLander on Sept 14, 2007 10:37:14 GMT -5
What about abuse at the hands of a friend?  |
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Post by Beck on Sept 14, 2007 10:41:38 GMT -5
What about abuse at the hands of a friend? Is that a threat misskaytyson? |
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 14, 2007 14:48:49 GMT -5
Jasmine, I saw this too and this woman showed no remorse or anything...she was sitting there with Oprah acting as if she had just killed a fly....and not her preacher, pastor husband or the father of her children..... It is really praying time..... right there was no remorse. She also said he would force her do sexual things that she did not want to do, and when oprah re-directed the question, she said "while being initimate he would ask if they could do this and she would respond no I don't want to do that. Not once did she say he forced her or told her if you didn't I'll smack you or something to that extend. another killer loose. |
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