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Post by giantsdodie on Jun 26, 2009 8:09:19 GMT -5
I am not sure I am understanding your question... Please clarify.. In other words are you saying that the devil created evil? I'll answer your question with a question. What do you see evil as ?? The scripture shows us that GOD cannot do evil, nor can he be tempted with evil for he is HOLY.. So what do you call evil  |
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Post by krazeeboi on Jun 26, 2009 8:21:59 GMT -5
I think we need to distinguish between God's will in a general sense and His will among those who are redeemed. As far as this world system goes, God ultimately accepts responsibility for everything that happens. We all know what the end is going to be, and we know all the things that will happen to lead up to that. However, we also know what God desires to do in and through the Body of Christ as His instrument in the world. The two roles appear contradictory sometimes although they are actually complimentary. please use smaller words.. thank you... |
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Post by krazeeboi on Jun 26, 2009 8:24:09 GMT -5
Whatever we say about the source of evil, the Bible is clear that God has inspired people to perform evil deeds in certain instances--of course, they were part of His plan to bring about a greater good. Look at the events surrounding the death of Jesus for starters.
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Post by anointed on Jun 26, 2009 9:47:09 GMT -5
Holman Bible Dictionary
EVIL
That which is opposed to God and His purposes or that which, defined from human perspectives, is harmful and non-productive.
The Problem of Evil Evil is a major theoretical and practical problem for a Christian. Evil is of two types. First, there is natural evil. There are destructive forces in nature, ranging from earthquakes and tidal waves to cancer. Second, there is moral evil which has its source in the choice and action of humans. This type of evil includes war, crime, cruelty, and slavery.
If God is all-powerful and good, as the Bible affirms, why does He allow evil? There are statements and emphases in the Bible which help to explain and reduce the problem of natural and moral evil.
Natural Evil Concerning natural evil, several emphases should be noted. First, moral evil accounts for much of natural evil. In Genesis, evil and suffering appeared only after the Fall (Genesis 3:16-19). By contrast, the original creation is very good (Genesis 1:31). The new heavens and the new earth will have no more suffering (Revelation 21:4). This means that evil and suffering are not eternally inevitable. Rather they are bound up with the actions of sinful humans. Physical suffering and pain and finally death have been introduced as a consequence of the Fall (Genesis 3:16-19).
Second, God disciplines His people collectively and individually, even through natural evil and pain, to bring them closer to His purposes (Proverbs 3:11-12; Jeremiah 18:1-10). This emphasis is also found in the New Testament (Hebrews 2:10; Hebrews 5:8-9; Hebrews 12:5-11).
Third, personal life cannot develop except in a stable environment. God limited Himself by the establishment of regularity and law. This regularity of nature is an important factor in developing human personality. The earthquake, volcano, and storm, which cause human suffering, all belong to nature's regularity. Some so-called natural evil, therefore, can be attributed to the necessary operation of natural uniformities.
Fourth, natural evils may be used for judgment upon sin. It is deeply ingrained in the Bible that physical evils have been used by God for the punishment of individual and national wickedness. Noah's flood, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the fall of Jerusalem are examples. This does not mean that all physical evils are the punishment of physical sins.
Moral Evil There are also some biblical teachings which help us to understand moral evil from the Christian perspective.
First, God limited Himself in giving people and angels freedom. To be truly human, a person must have the power of choice. Apparently God felt that, for reasons which were evident to Him but which we can only partly understand, it was better to make human beings than robots.
Robots might respond in an automatically correct way in every situation, but they would be machines, not persons. Not even God can love machines in the sense that persons can be loved.
Second, humans used freedom in such a way as to bring in evil. The Bible tells us that with the Fall, humanity's first sin, a radical change took place in the universe. Death came upon mankind (Genesis 2:17; Genesis 3:2-3, Genesis 3:19). God pronounced a curse upon mankind which is represented by certain specifics: anguish in childbearing (Genesis 3:16), male domination over the wife (Genesis 3:16), toilsome labor (Genesis 3:17), and thorns and thistles (Genesis 3:18). These are probably only a sample of the actual effects upon the creation. Paul in Romans 8:22 said that the whole creation has been affected by human sin and is now in bondage to decay.
Third, back of human revolt stood Satan. In Genesis 3:1 we read that the serpent tempted Eve. Thus, an evil force was present within the creation. It was Satan's appeal which stirred within Adam and Eve the desire which led them to sin. Compare Revelation 12:9.
It is clear, then, that God did not create evil and sin. He merely provided the options necessary for human freedom. People sinned, and before that, the fallen angels, not God.
Fourth, even though evil is because of human revolt and failure, God continues to be active in redeeming people from their self-imposed evil.
Fifth, God deals with evil through judgment and wrath. This judgment can be seen in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 28:20-21; Isaiah 3:11). The wrath of God is not divine vindictiveness, but is dynamic, persistent opposition to sin (Romans 1:18). Thus, a principle of judgment upon, and annulment of, evil can be discerned at work in history and even in individual lives.
Sixth, God deals with evil through the incarnation, the cross, and the resurrection. The Bible teaches that God Himself in Jesus Christ became the victim of evil so that there might be victory over evil. It is also indicated in such passages as Colossians 1:24; Philippians 3:10; and 2 Corinthians 12:7 that the Christian can bear suffering for others and assist in God's redemptive purpose.
After all the solutions are considered, we still realize that the problem of evil is not completely solved on an intellectual level from our limited human perspective. However, on the practical and experiential level we can say with the apostle Paul that “in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us” (Romans 8:37).
While evil's origin started in the angelic world, its source in the earth stemmed from man's power of decision (as well as angels) to disobey God.
1. Therefore, is it more accurate to say that evil's origin is Satan or can we get to the nitty gritty and say its source is in choices not submitted to the will of God, whether those choices were made by an angel or human? Granted the bible says the heart (what's within) is despearetly wicked and who can know it?
2. If a third of the angels rebelled with Satan against God, although he was the leader (due to his rank in the spirit realm) is it really accurate to say he alone "created" moral evil being that other angels decided to ally with him (a corporate rebellion rather than a one-man show of rebellion)?
3. If sin and evil originated within a person (and the fallen angels for that matter) because of their power of choice, which is more dangerous: Satan or an unsubmitted will toward God? Wasn't it even an unsubmitted will that brought Satan under?
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Post by krazeeboi on Jun 30, 2009 16:51:30 GMT -5
God assumes full responsibility for the existence of evil. Evil would not exist if God did not allow it be so. As a matter of fact, the existence of evil is necessary in God's plan. Remember, before God foreordained anything, He foreordained Jesus--He foreordained the cross. Jesus Christ is God's plan A.
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