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Post by anointedteacher on Jan 31, 2010 14:32:32 GMT -5
He didn't want to make the same mistake that Clinton made with HCR, by being a bully.... He did a lot, before the House and Senators got to it... His hand is tied... He did meet with the house Dem and Rep before they wrote the Bill and he had Clinton to meet with the Senators... There are three branches of goverments, Prez Obama do not write the or vote for the bill. He present his agenda to the House and the Sentaors... they write the bill and vote... He sign or veto the Bill.... PPL expectation for Obama is unbelievable... They expect him to work miracle.... he is not the Messiah, as some crazy ppl claimed... He can not clean up, 30years worth of mess....started with Reagan's deregulations and tax cut for the wealth. Before the President took office, he said over and overagain, things going to get worse before it get better... And we have the party of No who wishing and praying for the President to fail... With all he dealing with, he accomplished move in his 1st year, than most presidents did during their four and eigth years in office. We nolonger in recession! I understand that Obama didn't want to repeat Clinton's mistake, but he didn't have take the totally opposite position. And particularly when the town halls were raging across the country with a lot of misinformation, he should have shown stronger leadership on the issue at that time. I remember Obama saying that at his SOTU address, or of his recent meeting that he take responsibility for not pushing hard enough for HCR .... Did U watch the Answers and Question with the Republicans leaders... it was real interesting... He schooled them... Think they should do it more often. I didn't know that he had to deal with 8 trillion debt and not 1.3trillion... No President since the great depression had to deal with so much mess.... I believe Bush threw in the towel and not functioning and McCain didn't want to deal with it and allow Palin to destroy his opportunity to become President... President Obama is the right person for the job... |
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Post by kanyon on Jan 31, 2010 15:24:51 GMT -5
I think that if Obama had stood his ground with the republicans before the Health care debate when Americans were still upset with the former administration, you would have you health care now.
He can rebuild his political capitol with the American people, especially the independents who hold the balance of power in the US. He will do this if he continues openly debate the opposition.
He also needs to quit being professorial. The American people elected a President and not a Law Professor.
Thats my ywo bits from the north. ;D
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Post by giantsdodie on Feb 2, 2010 9:16:12 GMT -5
I think that if Obama had stood his ground with the republicans before the Health care debate when Americans were still upset with the former administration, you would have you health care now. He can rebuild his political capitol with the American people, especially the independents who hold the balance of power in the US. He will do this if he continues openly debate the opposition. He also needs to quit being professorial. The American people elected a President and not a Law Professor. Thats my ywo bits from the north. ;D Agreed |
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Post by giantsdodie on Feb 2, 2010 9:18:23 GMT -5
He didn't want to make the same mistake that Clinton made with HCR, by being a bully.... He did a lot, before the House and Senators got to it... His hand is tied... He did meet with the house Dem and Rep before they wrote the Bill and he had Clinton to meet with the Senators... There are three branches of goverments, Prez Obama do not write the or vote for the bill. He present his agenda to the House and the Sentaors... they write the bill and vote... He sign or veto the Bill.... PPL expectation for Obama is unbelievable... They expect him to work miracle.... he is not the Messiah, as some crazy ppl claimed... He can not clean up, 30years worth of mess....started with Reagan's deregulations and tax cut for the wealth. Before the President took office, he said over and overagain, things going to get worse before it get better... And we have the party of No who wishing and praying for the President to fail... With all he dealing with, he accomplished move in his 1st year, than most presidents did during their four and eigth years in office. We nolonger in recession! I understand that Obama didn't want to repeat Clinton's mistake, but he didn't have take the totally opposite position. And particularly when the town halls were raging across the country with a lot of misinformation, he should have shown stronger leadership on the issue at that time. Exactly! |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 2, 2010 10:29:30 GMT -5
I think that if Obama had stood his ground with the republicans before the Health care debate when Americans were still upset with the former administration, you would have you health care now. He can rebuild his political capitol with the American people, especially the independents who hold the balance of power in the US. He will do this if he continues openly debate the opposition. He also needs to quit being professorial. The American people elected a President and not a Law Professor. Thats my ywo bits from the north. ;D You have to realize that the republican made up their mind to go against the President agendas... They want him to fail, so that is their major goal. He not only having an hard time with them, but with the Dem bluedog who are brought bt Corporate greed... He not a king that rule... he is a president... everything don't always goes the president way... whatever action he that take can affect the HCR.. He not giving up, but have to use wisdom. |
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 2, 2010 11:32:51 GMT -5
I think that if Obama had stood his ground with the republicans before the Health care debate when Americans were still upset with the former administration, you would have you health care now. He can rebuild his political capitol with the American people, especially the independents who hold the balance of power in the US. He will do this if he continues openly debate the opposition. He also needs to quit being professorial. The American people elected a President and not a Law Professor. Thats my ywo bits from the north. ;D You have to realize that the republican made up their mind to go against the President agendas... They want him to fail, so that is their major goal. He not only having an hard time with them, but with the Dem bluedog who are brought bt Corporate greed... He not a king that rule... he is a president... everything don't always goes the president way... whatever action he that take can affect the HCR.. He not giving up, but have to use wisdom. I don't think it's about "going against the president's agenda" but in many of the town hall meetings, as KRAZEE said, there was misinformation and on different sites I frequent, they weren't very happy about this particular reform bill... not that ppl don't want to reform health care..... |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 2, 2010 23:45:01 GMT -5
You have to realize that the republican made up their mind to go against the President agendas... They want him to fail, so that is their major goal. He not only having an hard time with them, but with the Dem bluedog who are brought bt Corporate greed... He not a king that rule... he is a president... everything don't always goes the president way... whatever action he that take can affect the HCR.. He not giving up, but have to use wisdom. I don't think it's about "going against the president's agenda" but in many of the town hall meetings, as KRAZEE said, there was misinformation and on different sites I frequent, they weren't very happy about this particular reform bill... not that ppl don't want to reform health care..... Are you talking about the tea party group?... cause they are the only one that not happy about the reform... and they were the only one that was acting like a fool, bringing guns.. screaming and not cooperating at the Town Hall meets. PPL want the HCR, even if it not perfect and don't have everything they want in it... They feel it is a start and can be improve, just like everything else.... social securty, civil right and medicare was not perfect, and started out weak, but changes were made over the years. We first have to put our foot in the door... Most of the ppl who don't want it, listen to fox news, Rush, Beck etc... The ppl who think for themselves know we need it.... |
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 3, 2010 8:15:55 GMT -5
I don't think it's about "going against the president's agenda" but in many of the town hall meetings, as KRAZEE said, there was misinformation and on different sites I frequent, they weren't very happy about this particular reform bill... not that ppl don't want to reform health care..... Are you talking about the tea party group?... cause they are the only one that not happy about the reform... and they were the only one that was acting like a fool, bringing guns.. screaming and not cooperating at the Town Hall meets. PPL want the HCR, even if it not perfect and don't have everything they want in it... They feel it is a start and can be improve, just like everything else.... social securty, civil right and medicare was not perfect, and started out weak, but changes were made over the years. We first have to put our foot in the door... Most of the ppl who don't want it, listen to fox news, Rush, Beck etc... The ppl who think for themselves know we need it.... Actually, "regular" ppl weren't happy about the specific HCR they were trying to pass. Even in my discussions with other ppl....(on and offline), NOONE is saying that a reform isn't necessary....but that the way they were going about it wasn't the best or wisest thing..... PERSONALLY, I believe that reform is needed....but I didn't like this particular reform and agreed that we should do small steps at a time rather than this whole 100's of pages reform. Additionally, in looking at some polls of "regular" ppl, I don't think that everyone was on board with this particular bill.... |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 6, 2010 12:20:56 GMT -5
Everybody wanted the House Bill, because the Senators cut out the main part, Public Option... They let one independent senator change the whole bill... but even with that bill, which is a very small step, will low HC cost and cover all most every unsecured person... Some ppl want single payer, which is a big step... American ppl want everything instantly, we don't like to wait and go through the process and take small steps... Another thing ppl don't understand the different branches of government. They expect the President to do everything... the President can not billy the House and Senators to make them do what he want.... You have to remember he is the first black president and most of these guys never had to take order from a black man, both Rep. and Dem. I think it was Reid, who say the Obama was accepted because he is light skinned and didn't have a Negro die-let(sp). One of the News reports, said when he was listening the President address the Union speech, he forgot he was black  ... he didn't mean any harm, but it tell you where these men are at and there mindset..... I believe he doing a great job... just because we don't see everything or recognize the changes that was make in one year, don't mean he not doing anything... |
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Post by Nikkol on Feb 8, 2010 8:10:40 GMT -5
[/color]wanted the House Bill, because the Senators cut out the main part, Public Option... They let one independent senator change the whole bill... but even with that bill, which is a very small step, will low HC cost and cover all most every unsecured person... Some ppl want single payer, which is a big step... American ppl want everything instantly, we don't like to wait and go through the process and take small steps... Another thing ppl don't understand the different branches of government. They expect the President to do everything... the President can not billy the House and Senators to make them do what he want.... You have to remember he is the first black president and most of these guys never had to take order from a black man, both Rep. and Dem. I think it was Reid, who say the Obama was accepted because he is light skinned and didn't have a Negro die-let(sp). One of the News reports, said when he was listening the President address the Union speech, he forgot he was black ... he didn't mean any harm, but it tell you where these men are at and there mindset..... I believe he doing a great job... just because we don't see everything or recognize the changes that was make in one year, don't mean he not doing anything... [/quote] Who's "Everybody"? And I thought we had somewhat discussed that ppl would prefer (as I believe one of the republicans said) to do HCR in steps vs a lot of things all at once. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 8, 2010 10:00:28 GMT -5
Most American want the HCR.... the Rep. want it too, but don't want it to come from President Obama Adminstration.... Some want him to fail at any cost... even if it hurt us, the American ppl.... Rep have not come up with any solid solution to cure anything.... The Prez. took their bill along with the Dem to groups of professional who know the system, and what will work. Their were may just a couple things President O was able to use after it was more developed... The rest was a waste of paper... their total bill was just 20 page compare to over a 1000 pages of Dem (had more details)... Remember they had a proposal with no figure, look like something a high school student will throw together for a book report. Than two of them had HCR charts... One look like a game board and the other was so confusing you couldn't make out what was it for with all those allows going up and down and accoss it was so embarrassing, they took them offline quick...
Yes, small steps ok, but some major steps must be taken to lower HC cost and to regulates the insurance companies
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 9, 2010 20:35:40 GMT -5
voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/02/americans_spread_the_blame_whe.htmlPoll: Bipartisanship popular, compromise tricky Americans spread the blame when it comes to the lack of cooperation in Washington, and, in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, most want the two sides to keep working to pass comprehensive health-care reform.
Nearly six in 10 in the new poll say the Republicans aren't doing enough to forge compromise with President Obama on important issues; more than four in 10 see Obama as doing too little to get GOP support. Among independents, 56 percent see the Republicans in Congress as too unbending and 50 percent say so of the president; 28 percent of independents say both sides are doing too little to find agreement.
As party leaders tussle over the proposed bipartisan health care summit, nearly two-thirds of Americans say they want Congress to keep working to pass comprehensive health-care reform. Democrats overwhelmingly support continued action on this front, as do 56 percent of independents and 42 percent of Republicans.Question Do you think lawmakers in Washington should keep trying to pass Comprehensive Health Care Reform plan, or should they give up on Comprehansive Health Care Reform?AllGive Up..... 34% Keep Trying..... 63%Dem.Gi ve Up..... 6% Keep Trying..... 88%Ind.Give Up..... 39% Keep Trying..... 56%Rep.Give Up..... 55% Keep Trying..... 42% The sticky part of widespread desire for compromise is that it's simple to want it from the other side. About three-quarters of Democrats see the congressional Republicans as intransigent, while a similar proportion of Republicans see Obama that way. But even Republicans are critical of their congressional leadership, with 44 percent seeing them as doing too little to strike deals with Obama; that compares with just 13 percent of Democrats worried about inaction on Obama's part.
At the same time, the president does pick up some criticism from the left here: 18 percent of liberal Democrats say Obama is doing too much to compromise with the GOP on big issues.
More from the poll conducted Thursday through Monday will be released tomorrow in The Washington Post. The margin of sampling error for the results from the full random sample of 1,004 adults is plus or minus three percentage points.Question Do you think Obama doing too much, too little or about right amount to compromise with the Republican on important issues?9% ..... too much
45%.... Rigth amount
44%.... too littleDo you think Republican doing too much, too little or about right amount to compromise with the Obama on important issues?8% ..... too much
30%.... Right amount
58%.... too littleBy Jon Cohen | February 9, 2010; 2:00 PM ET 44 The Obama Presidency , Post Polls
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... he didn't mean any harm, but it tell you where these men are at and there mindset..... I believe he doing a great job... just because we don't see everything or recognize the changes that was make in one year, don't mean he not doing anything...