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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 23, 2010 21:21:40 GMT -5
Do you guys see some sort of civil uprising on the part of the extreme right-wing sector of our population that's been energized by the likes of Fox News, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, etc.? These people have become totally unhinged and, God forbid, I wouldn't be surprised to see even more death threats and the like coming from people if he did get re-elected.
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 24, 2010 6:50:43 GMT -5
Do you guys see some sort of civil uprising on the part of the extreme right-wing sector of our population that's been energized by the likes of Fox News, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, etc.? These people have become totally unhinged and, God forbid, I wouldn't be surprised to see even more death threats and the like coming from people if he did get re-elected. No. ;D |
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 24, 2010 10:56:11 GMT -5
So Nikkol, you don't see any negative ramifications coming down the line if he gets re-elected? A certain sector of this country is losing it. They were already opposed to Obama before he even got a chance to really do anything, and now that he's got both accomplishments and missteps under his belt (a lot of these people see the accomplishments as legislative missteps), it only incenses them more. Look at the country's new hatred towards anything that even "looks" Muslim and the new poll numbers that show that more people think Obama is a Muslim as just one example. I know you're a Republican, but you've got to look at this a bit objectively here.
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 24, 2010 20:44:03 GMT -5
So Nikkol, you don't see any negative ramifications coming down the line if he gets re-elected? A certain sector of this country is losing it. They were already opposed to Obama before he even got a chance to really do anything, and now that he's got both accomplishments and missteps under his belt (a lot of these people see the accomplishments as legislative missteps), it only incenses them more. Look at the country's new hatred towards anything that even "looks" Muslim and the new poll numbers that show that more people think Obama is a Muslim as just one example. I know you're a Republican, but you've got to look at this a bit objectively here. The same ppl that hate muslim today, was all in love with them and their oil before during and after 9/11... All the racist white Goper all the sudden came out of the woodwork. It is sad that the average American IQ is two digits when it come to facts. What is also sad, is when the black Republican refuse to acknowledge... Palin really shown her racism, when she defended Dr. Laura over the N-word. Prez. Obama will be re-elected, God is uncovering all the White racist preachers, so they can see themselves in the mirror and get it right. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 25, 2010 5:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 25, 2010 7:10:15 GMT -5
So Nikkol, you don't see any negative ramifications coming down the line if he gets re-elected? A certain sector of this country is losing it. They were already opposed to Obama before he even got a chance to really do anything, and now that he's got both accomplishments and missteps under his belt (a lot of these people see the accomplishments as legislative missteps), it only incenses them more. Look at the country's new hatred towards anything that even "looks" Muslim and the new poll numbers that show that more people think Obama is a Muslim as just one example. I know you're a Republican, but you've got to look at this a bit objectively here. Based on things that are going on, people are going to be a little scared about Muslims, their desires and of course "jihad". I mean knowing that ppl will strap bombs on themselves, women and even children in the name of Allah will cause some to fear... I just personally don't think the ramifications will be any more negative than the already are. But even if there is an uprising, its just the opposite of what some would say is the uprising on the extreme left.....depending on who's in power there will be those that may do extreme things.... Regarding those that think that he is Muslim, one thing that would "help" (using that word lightly) is hearing/seeing him go to church. And of course the fact that he's not siding with Israel as we've done for as long as I (personally) can remember will also give some ppl concern. Some things he can't change...so like the fact that I believe his father was a Muslim, he can't change. And of course we all know that actions speak louder than words. PERSONALLY, I don't know what faith he is.... |
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 25, 2010 7:21:12 GMT -5
The same ppl that hate muslim today, was all in love with them and their oil before during and after 9/11... All the racist white Goper all the sudden came out of the woodwork. It is sad that the average American IQ is two digits when it come to facts. What is also sad, is when the black Republican refuse to acknowledge... Palin really shown her racism, when she defended Dr. Laura over the N-word. Prez. Obama will be re-elected, God is uncovering all the White racist preachers, so they can see themselves in the mirror and get it right. I think it's unfair to equate business with the 9/11 incident. We need oil, they have oil....it's a business transaction. Maybe it's just me, but the way this post comes off, it appears that you appear to be racist against white ppl.... and sometimes I've learned that in our defense of one side, it can give the impression that we on the other side doing the same exact thing. God is uncovering ppl.....I don't think God is concerned about what color they are.... Now of course, I may be reading your post the wrong way...if so, I do apologize. (and if that is the case, this also gives "backup" to why I say that sometimes, even when someone does say something, it can be taken differently based on how it is heard by someone else) |
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 25, 2010 9:47:30 GMT -5
You are correct.... But things have been going on way before Dr. Laura N-word rant and Pailin defence.... They haven't spoke up... I have nothing against Black Rep... I was a Black Rep, Ind and Dem... I vote cross party line, but I am not blind and call it for what it is... |
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 25, 2010 10:14:03 GMT -5
The same ppl that hate muslim today, was all in love with them and their oil before during and after 9/11... All the racist white Goper all the sudden came out of the woodwork. It is sad that the average American IQ is two digits when it come to facts. What is also sad, is when the black Republican refuse to acknowledge... Palin really shown her racism, when she defended Dr. Laura over the N-word. Prez. Obama will be re-elected, God is uncovering all the White racist preachers, so they can see themselves in the mirror and get it right. I think it's unfair to equate business with the 9/11 incident. We need oil, they have oil....it's a business transaction. 9/11 is the result of bad business.... like I said, there are more to it. It goes back to Reagan business deal in the 80's... They didn't just decided to attack us for no reason at all. It had to do with a broken promise and business deal. I will locate the link for you when I get a chance. Many white themselves have point this out.... there are many blog out there by White pastors, prophets etc... who are constantly speaking against the President, some goes as far as praying for his death.... They make have dislike Carter and Clinton, but they never went as far as they have with Pres. Obama. I personally dealt with one on facebook... After I dealt with her hatred openly and show her the facts... she not only cancel me as a friend, she cancel that account completely... This woman call herself a aposle/prophet, even when she is proven wrong, she never make correction to inform her followers of the mistakes.... Some of white posters begin to question her... She not the only one... there are prayer groups that praying against the President... I have not seen or read any hate from any black churches except one pastor from NY who jealous of Obama... The black have taken defense against the white racist rants.... No, I am not racist, but I know what I see and what is being manifested.... To be honest since Obama been in office, it is the first time I actually heard the N-word coming out of a white mouth.... I hate when it come from the young black men and women and don't allow it to be use around me... it is worse when it comes from anyone white. Don't ask why, You should know.... |
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 25, 2010 12:23:40 GMT -5
9/11 is the result of bad business.... like I said, there are more to it. It goes back to Reagan business deal in the 80's... They didn't just decided to attack us for no reason at all. It had to do with a broken promise and business deal. I will locate the link for you when I get a chance. It's actually a lot deeper than just "bad business" -- this really isn't just a "natural battle". I don't find that word any worse based on who says it....it's all just as bad, to ME. I think what we find is that it's more open of what ppl are saying that it use to be with other presidents. More ppl are talking and conversing. Granted, endorsements for a political party or particular person should NEVER be endorsed from a pulpit (which is a DIFFERENT thread altogether). But based on us all having a certain "area" and not the whole picture, it's hard to know exactly who's saying what and with the press who depending on who they like will give stories that favor that, even the news isn't ALWAYS the best to use to make a final conclusion. Everyone's story will be different. :-) |
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 25, 2010 14:16:59 GMT -5
Based on things that are going on, people are going to be a little scared about Muslims, their desires and of course "jihad". I mean knowing that ppl will strap bombs on themselves, women and even children in the name of Allah will cause some to fear... True, but a lot of it has gotten to the point of being downright irrational. In a suburb of Nashville, TN, a Muslim congregation that's been worshipping in the town for a few years now wants to build a new mosque, and the community there is having a fit--just because they need a new worship facility. This paranoia is spreading, and it's not healthy. Yes, but there are many more on the extreme right than on the extreme left, simply because this is a center-right country. Furthermore, the extreme lefties are pretty "typical" for their kind--anarchists, hippies, etc. The extreme right-wingers, on the other hand, are more mainstream--church-goers, housewives, etc. That's what's so scary. Well, we should know why he has shied away from choosing a church home in the DC area. He doesn't want to put another church through all the scrutiny his former church went through, and that's quite understandable. As far as Israel goes, how is Obama not siding with Israel? Sure there has been a public spat or two between Obama and Netanyahu, but that's no different than past presidents. Clinton clashed with Netanyahu over his settlement expansion program that Clinton said was delaying the Middle East peace process, and Bush sparred with then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon over Sharon’s October 2001 comment that the US was appeasing Palestinians to win Arab support for its war on terror, which Bush called “unacceptable.” Later that month, Israel rejected a US call to withdraw immediately from Palestinian-controlled areas in the West Bank. Even earlier, under President Reagan, the U.S.- Israeli relationship had rough patches. In 1981, the US voted with other members of the UN Security Council to condemn Israel’s bombing of Iraq’s Osirik nuclear reactor. But when it came down to it, the US proved to be a trustworthy ally in Israel's time of need, in all of these administrations (the present one included). Read more about that here. You say that personally, you don't know what faith Obama is. Why is that? You don't believe him when he says he adheres to the Christian faith? Were you sure of the faith of past presidents, and if so, why? |
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 26, 2010 7:07:45 GMT -5
And so my point was some things that would give the impression that he's Muslim. Can't really compare that with other presidents because unless you know something differently, no other president (at least from Reagan forward (those were the presidents that I was born during) had a Muslim father. And so my point was giving "back up", if you will of why ppl may believe that he's Muslim.
I do appreciate the history lesson, esp since I know you're a smart guy....but that's veering into an area that I wasn't trying to support/defend.
I don't really know what religion any president is. I've learned that people can say one thing and their actions say something totally different. But my job is to pray for those in leadership...and that's what I do. :-)
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 26, 2010 14:29:27 GMT -5
And so my point was some things that would give the impression that he's Muslim. Can't really compare that with other presidents because unless you know something differently, no other president (at least from Reagan forward (those were the presidents that I was born during) had a Muslim father. And so my point was giving "back up", if you will of why ppl may believe that he's Muslim. I do appreciate the history lesson, esp since I know you're a smart guy....but that's veering into an area that I wasn't trying to support/defend. I don't really know what religion any president is. I've learned that people can say one thing and their actions say something totally different. But my job is to pray for those in leadership...and that's what I do. :-) President Obama's father was not a muslim and never confessed to be a muslim... Obama's grandfather, who he never met conversed to be a muslim. His 2 of his brothers and step-grandmother are muslims. President Obama confessed over and over again he's a born again Christian, he share his Christian experience in both of his books... He got saved at Rev. Wright's church... He may not be at the level we may expect, but say he is saved... we're not in position to judge. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 27, 2010 20:51:00 GMT -5
I don't really know what religion any president is. I've learned that people can say one thing and their actions say something totally different. But my job is to pray for those in leadership...and that's what I do. :-) I'm just speaking at a base level of understanding here; I'm not speaking of specifics in terms of their relationship with God, spiritual disciplines, etc. But people seem to either don't know or outrightly dismiss the fact that the president professes Christianity. That's the base level I'm speaking of. I'm sure you're aware of that fact. Even if Obama's father was Muslim, that has no bearing on Obama's faith. One of the highlights of Christianity is that everyone is welcome; it doesn't matter who or what your parents were, where you lived, how much you make, etc. If the Christians who are willfully ignorant of Obama's profession of faith don't understand this, then I'd say that they're entirely ignorant of the heart of the Gospel message and we have every right to call THEIR faith into question. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Aug 28, 2010 15:46:30 GMT -5
I for one am not dismissing the fact that he says that he is a Christian for it is for the very reason alone he leaves me shaking and scratching my head most of the time.
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