Gay Marriage now legal in New York State

[kitty]

Hey Nikkol,
I agree with Giants... it is a sign of increased moral decay. The worse part about it is that now it becomes "wrong" to teach kids that it IS a type of moral decay because of the law. I also see another type of boldness where is group is concerned...

The Transgendered folks are now coming a knocking... They want to make it a law that insurance companies have to pay for sex change operations and for "specialized" transgender health care... Now I tell you point blank that they won't want to go into details because that would involved point blank declaring that they want insurance companies to pay to treat the cancer that they bring on themselves by taking estrogen or testosterone hormones that were NEVER EVER meant to be in their bodies....

They are men trying to be women who want repeated surgeries to try to keep open a falsely created body cavern ( fake vagina) that they body keeps trying to close up because it's not supposed to be there....

They want the right to go into the woman's bathroom instead of the men's and this particular amendment was purposed by political gay man Barney Frank of New York...


Kitty

[krazeeboi]

Expect to see an increased attack on religious freedom as more and more states follow suit.

[kitty]

hey Guys,
Check out this article..... How does marriage change things? It gives the devil more of an opening.... The polygamist are now trying to get rights...

They Polygamist Challenge...

By Lindsay Whitehurst

Salt Lake Tribune

SALT LAKE CITY (RNS) Utah's complicated history with polygamy starts a new chapter Wednesday (July 13) as a reality-show family challenges the state's ban on plural marriage, a fight that could go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Nationally known constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley said the federal lawsuit does not call for plural marriages to be recognized by the state. Instead, it asks for polygamy between consenting adults like his clients, Kody Brown and his wives, to no longer be considered a crime.

“We are only challenging the right of the state to prosecute people for their private relations and demanding equal treatment with other citizens in living their lives according to their own beliefs,” Turley said in a press release.

The Browns star in the TLC network show “Sister Wives.”

Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said the country's ongoing legal wrangling over same-sex marriage will necessarily grow to include plural marriage -- quite possibly centered around this case.

“I'm confident that we can (defend) a challenge all the way to the Supreme Court,” Shurtleff said. “Ultimately, this decision is going to have to go there. You see it coming.”

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The Supreme Court toyed with taking on polygamy five years ago, when it asked for briefs in the case of polygamous police officer Rodney Holm, who was accused of having sex with a 16-year-old plural wife. The justices ultimately refused to hear his appeal.

“The whole case was tainted by (sexual contact with a minor). We didn't die on the courthouse steps, we died inside,” said attorney Rod Parker, who represented Holm. “I don't know if (the Brown case) will be the one, but sooner or later one's going to go there ... if it's factually clean.”

Meanwhile, Kody Brown released a statement saying his is one of tens of thousands of polygamous families looking for “equal treatment.”

“While we understand that this may be a long struggle in court, it has already been a long struggle for my family and other plural families to end the stereotypes and unfair treatment given consensual polygamy,” he said.

The complaint, Turley said, presents seven constitutional challenges to the state's anti-bigamy law; the lawsuit is largely based on the right to privacy.

“In that sense, it is a challenge designed to benefit not just polygamists but all citizens who wish to live their lives according to their own values -- even if those values run counter to those of the majority in the state,” said Turley, a member of the faculty at George Washington University.

Members of the Salt Lake City-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints once believed in polygamy as a religious tenet, but the practice was abandoned as a condition of Utah receiving statehood in 1896.

Groups calling themselves fundamentalist Mormons have continued the practice, though usually out of the spotlight. The first exception since the 1970s was Tom Green, who was prosecuted for bigamy after promoting his beliefs on national television 10 years ago.

Since his conviction, other challenges have arisen to the polygamy law. Also, a couple who hoped to add a second wife sued when a clerk refused to issue them a marriage license in 2004. Their case was dismissed by a federal appeals court.

The Browns stepped forward to announce the reality show last year. Kody Brown and wives Christine Brown, Janelle Brown, Meri Brown and Robyn Sullivan are well into adulthood and portray themselves as living an otherwise middle-class life. They lived in Lehi, Utah, until last year, when they moved to Nevada with their 16 children after police started an investigation sparked by the show.

No charges have been filed against them, though Utah County Attorney Jeff Buhman said the case remains under investigation. Turley said that investigation has not found evidence of child abuse or underage marriage.

Thoughts anyone?

Kitty

[kitty]

Hey Guys,
I found another really good article about how gay marriage helps to destroy God natural order... Check out this article from crosswalk.com

Unrealistic Expectations: Fidelity in Gay Marriage
Chuck Colson,

No doubt you’ve heard friends -- even Christian friends -- and you hear them say, “Well, why shouldn’t gays be able to marry like anyone else? What will it hurt? It won’t affect marriage, and it will help them build stable families.”

Certainly that’s the line of thinking that won the day in New York, which just legalized so-called gay marriage.

But nothing could be further from the truth, as illustrated by a recent New York Times article entitled “Married, With Infidelities.” The writer, Mark Oppenheimer, asked whether “we make unrealistic demands” on marriage. The “unrealistic demands” he's talking about are monogamy.

For an answer Oppenheimer turned to advice columnist Dan Savage. Savage is a “married” gay man who often “inveighs against the American obsession with strict fidelity.” Those are Oppenheimer’s words, not mine.

According to Savage, while monogamy has its “advantages,” it’s not for everyone, because, he says, monogamy leads to “boredom, despair, lack of variety, sexual death and being taken for granted.”

So Savage counsels a more flexible ethic. According to him, the “unrealistic expectations” of fidelity “destroys more families than it saves.”

Savage practices what he preaches: He admits to nine “extramarital encounters,” which he insists have been a “stabilizing force” in his so-called “marriage.”

Oppenheimer clearly likes Savage and writes that “it is tough to credit anyone who thinks Savage is a subversive figure.” Really? Because from where I sit he sure looks subversive.

For starters, all this talk about “unrealistic” demands and expectations overlooks a basic fact: The vast majority of married people avoid infidelity. The article cited a 2010 University of Chicago study that found that 14 percent of wives and 20 percent of husbands admitted to extramarital affairs.

Stated differently, 86 percent of married women and 80 percent of married men have kept their vows. That suggests that the problem may lie with the 14 and 20 percent, not our expectations.

There is one group, as the article acknowledges, where monogamy is neither expected nor practiced: “the sizable group of gay men in open, or [semi-open], long-term partnerships.”

Oppenheimer is aware of the implications for the cause of same-sex marriage. Incredibly, he writes, “it is unclear if gay habits,” that is, promiscuity, “will survive the advent of gay equality.”

There’s nothing “unclear” about this at all. The evidence Oppenheimer cites and Savage’s own counsel make it very clear that marriage is unlikely to change the habits of gay men. But, as Oppenheimer notes: Savage believes that heterosexual couples will learn from gay couples’ example. So "gay marriage" will inevitably undermine all marriages. That is very bad news for our culture.

No wonder Oppenheimer admits that Savage’s views and actions, will give “ammunition to all the forces . . . who say we had better stop [gay marriage] before they ruin what is left of marriage.”

So the next time you hear friends question what harm gay marriage will do, why not talk about the Times article—and ask them whether they think fidelity, “forsaking all others,” is an essential part of marriage, stable families, and a healthy society.

This article published on July 12, 2011. Chuck Colson's daily BreakPoint commentary airs each weekday on more than one thousand outlets with an estimated listening audience of one million people. BreakPoint provides a Christian perspective on today's news and trends via radio, interactive media, and print.

[Nikkol]

Jul 18, 2011 12:06:03 GMT -5 kitty said:

For starters, all this talk about “unrealistic” demands and expectations overlooks a basic fact: The vast majority of married people avoid infidelity. The article cited a 2010 University of Chicago study that found that 14 percent of wives and 20 percent of husbands admitted to extramarital affairs.

I actually believe that the number is a LOT higher than that....and also the key in this article is that those were the ppl that admitted....not sure they really gave statistics for the other side except gave the opinion of one guy.....not sure this is as "credible" as it could be....

[stillfocused]

What happens when you begin to see homosexual behaviors in the house of God..do you except and say God loves which he does. Yet, I have come to understand that those who practice this type of behavior equate love with their right to be accepted by society..while they themselves force their beliefs on those who do not accept or agree with their "right" to practice this lifestyle. I know that there are churches who accept it and say that's okay...it's time for sitting back and accepting everything that comes our way because we are "Christians" and we have to accept everything that comes our way. Giants..the people everywhere voted against this..it a scary reminder of Sodom and Gomarroah.