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Post by Beck on Jan 15, 2008 16:38:36 GMT -5
I'm really tired of this pass that we are giving leaders.... People are truly being corrupted but as long as those people don't have a face it is as if some people don't care... Let me just share this example. I have a friend that hs been hit on my a promenient pastor. This is a guy that is on the rise in the Christian community. This guy has claimed to be sepaprted from his wife in order to call my friend on the phone. His story is that he is getting a divorce. Yet he say very vulgar things to her all the time. She questioned him about his behavior. She asked him if she had done anything to give him the impression that she was "game" to sex out side of marriage. She also asked him why his actions seemed to be so different from what he preaches in the pulpit? His answer to her.... " Don't come to me with that religious BS cuz nobody really lives that way..." This guys great act in front of the church has really helped to convince my friend that most Christian men are really secretly dogs.... It is apparent that this guy doen't believe in what he preaches but he has a degre in theology. He is up and coming and people would never believe the things he hsa done in private and the people it affects... When will we as the Body of Christ learn that these people that stand up and clown before us aren't just people who have fallen short... many of them down right lack a fear of God. And we continue to support them as if God is winking at them! Kitty We as Christians women need to wise up and become bold in the Lord. Just like you will put a sinner in his place if he disrespect you a little bit, we must do the same with the so called man of a god. Even if the man is single, if your friend would have straighten his behind out the first time with the first move, he would never call her. What most woman do is leave a crack in the door so the pulpit pimp, can slip his way right in and sweet talk their mind. People know right from wrong even the sinner. My sister not saved, she just started going to church, but not totally commited. A few years ago she met this older man, who is a deacon in his church. He live and go to church about two hours away from where my sister live. My sister thought she met a man of God and that he can help her get right with God. My niece live up that way, so she decided to visit him and wanted to visit his church. She realized that the man want sex and told him that she was taught that it was a sin and refused and put him in his place. She wasn't saved and wasn't living saved, but had enough sence to know that Christian don't suppose to have premarital sex. She immediately broke off from him, he wanted to use her on the side and play holy on Sunday and she wasn't going to play that. hmmm... |
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Post by Jasmine on Jan 15, 2008 18:32:43 GMT -5
I'm really tired of this pass that we are giving leaders.... People are truly being corrupted but as long as those people don't have a face it is as if some people don't care... Let me just share this example. I have a friend that hs been hit on my a promenient pastor. This is a guy that is on the rise in the Christian community. This guy has claimed to be sepaprted from his wife in order to call my friend on the phone. His story is that he is getting a divorce. Yet he say very vulgar things to her all the time. She questioned him about his behavior. She asked him if she had done anything to give him the impression that she was "game" to sex out side of marriage. She also asked him why his actions seemed to be so different from what he preaches in the pulpit? His answer to her.... " Don't come to me with that religious BS cuz nobody really lives that way..." This guys great act in front of the church has really helped to convince my friend that most Christian men are really secretly dogs.... It is apparent that this guy doen't believe in what he preaches but he has a degre in theology. He is up and coming and people would never believe the things he hsa done in private and the people it affects... When will we as the Body of Christ learn that these people that stand up and clown before us aren't just people who have fallen short... many of them down right lack a fear of God. And we continue to support them as if God is winking at them! Kitty We as Christians women need to wise up and become bold in the Lord. Just like you will put a sinner in his place if he disrespect you a little bit, we must do the same with the so called man of a god. Even if the man is single, if your friend would have straighten his behind out the first time with the first move, he would never call her. What most woman do is leave a crack in the door so the pulpit pimp, can slip his way right in and sweet talk their mind. People know right from wrong even the sinner. My sister not saved, she just started going to church, but not totally commited. A few years ago she met this older man, who is a deacon in his church. He live and go to church about two hours away from where my sister live. My sister thought she met a man of God and that he can help her get right with God. My niece live up that way, so she decided to visit him and wanted to visit his church. She realized that the man want sex and told him that she was taught that it was a sin and refused and put him in his place. She wasn't saved and wasn't living saved, but had enough sence to know that Christian don't suppose to have premarital sex. She immediately broke off from him, he wanted to use her on the side and play holy on Sunday and she wasn't going to play that. Pointing out two things, and I pray that you don't get them confused. There is Absolutely no biblical basis for the so called "putting a man in his place" and actually the bible teaches virtuous women and wives to be quiet. In quiet and confidence shall be your strength. When you have been wronged, hiton, or etc by the "man of God" then you confide in someone who will stand with you. Another Elder, and Sister in the Lord who will pray and seek God how to approach the manner. Also why are we putting people in their place? Whats their place? Beneath or below us? I mean how about trying to have the individual gather an understanding that...I am saved, and I won't take that, and I don' tolerate foolishness. 2nd Issue: the issue pertaining to your sister experiences is really an unwise move on her part. As a single women, she shouldn't travel to any man's house that she barely knows, regardless of who he says he is. What was wrong with the church she was attending, Why did she feel she had to travel to this man's house to go to church, and lastly why go alone? Just addressing some observations that I have. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Jan 15, 2008 20:02:09 GMT -5
We as Christians women need to wise up and become bold in the Lord. Just like you will put a sinner in his place if he disrespect you a little bit, we must do the same with the so called man of a god. Even if the man is single, if your friend would have straighten his behind out the first time with the first move, he would never call her. What most woman do is leave a crack in the door so the pulpit pimp, can slip his way right in and sweet talk their mind. People know right from wrong even the sinner. My sister not saved, she just started going to church, but not totally commited. A few years ago she met this older man, who is a deacon in his church. He live and go to church about two hours away from where my sister live. My sister thought she met a man of God and that he can help her get right with God. My niece live up that way, so she decided to visit him and wanted to visit his church. She realized that the man want sex and told him that she was taught that it was a sin and refused and put him in his place. She wasn't saved and wasn't living saved, but had enough sence to know that Christian don't suppose to have premarital sex. She immediately broke off from him, he wanted to use her on the side and play holy on Sunday and she wasn't going to play that. Pointing out two things, and I pray that you don't get them confused. There is Absolutely no biblical basis for the so called "putting a man in his place" and actually the bible teaches virtuous women and wives to be quiet. In quiet and confidence shall be your strength. When you have been wronged, hiton, or etc by the "man of God" then you confide in someone who will stand with you. Another Elder, and Sister in the Lord who will pray and seek God how to approach the manner. There no biblical base for a married preacher asking a single woman for sex. Let you sit back and be quiet, while the man lay hands on you and touch all over your body. A wise sister will put a stop to it right at that very moment and close that door. You do not play with that spirit, because it will have you all tied up and bond up and you'll find yourself in the preacher's bed, and playing victim, of spiritual and sexual abuse. Why Not? He not your husband, not your boyfriend, not your lover... He's your pastor and his place is his position in the Body of Christ, and he will know not to approach you in that way, That's what I mean.... It won't be a weak "oh stop pastor"  the man doesn't know if you are saying yes or no.... You have to let your No mean, NO... She visit her daughter who live in Vero Beach, Fl... the man live in a city close by. He came down to Miami and met our family, and she wanted to meet his family and go to his church and meet his pastor and church members. She wanted to find out what he was all about and his real motive for wanting be with her. She did not stay in his house, but she did visit. He didn't want her to go to church with him, because he know that his plan is to have her on the side and keep her separate from the church. She was not saved at the time and wasn't commited to anybody church at the time. He retired, and he want to move his way into her house during the week and go back up to his church on the weekend. When she realized what his true motive was, she cut him off... and had nothing to do with him. It was a wise move. |
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Post by Jasmine on Jan 15, 2008 23:18:40 GMT -5
Pointing out two things, and I pray that you don't get them confused. There is Absolutely no biblical basis for the so called "putting a man in his place" and actually the bible teaches virtuous women and wives to be quiet. In quiet and confidence shall be your strength. When you have been wronged, hiton, or etc by the "man of God" then you confide in someone who will stand with you. Another Elder, and Sister in the Lord who will pray and seek God how to approach the manner. There no biblical base for a married preacher asking a single woman for sex. Let you sit back and be quiet, while the man lay hands on you and touch all over your body. A wise sister will put a stop to it right at that very moment and close that door. You do not play with that spirit, because it will have you all tied up and bond up and you'll find yourself in the preacher's bed, and playing victim, of spiritual and sexual abuse. Why Not? He not your husband, not your boyfriend, not your lover... He's your pastor and his place is his position in the Body of Christ, and he will know not to approach you in that way, That's what I mean.... It won't be a weak "oh stop pastor" the man doesn't know if you are saying yes or no.... You have to let your No mean, NO... Again, thats more information added into the pot that was not previously there. If my pastor was to touch me inappropriately, I'm reporting him to the police, and the local bishop, after my husband kicks his tail  . It still does look as if, I was responding to separate issues, but thats ok. My head hurts and I'm going to bed. |
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Post by heaven on Jan 18, 2008 16:15:44 GMT -5
I was on another message board and found out this;
BET News Special- Bishop Weeks lll
Tune in Sunday at 11 a.m. and 10 p.m. (ET/PT) for this BET News special.
And I also found out that Juanita was the one who put a stop to the book.
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Post by anointed on Jan 18, 2008 16:43:56 GMT -5
I was on another message board and found out this; BET News Special- Bishop Weeks lll Tune in Sunday at 11 a.m. and 10 p.m. (ET/PT) for this BET News special. And I also found out that Juanita was the one who put a stop to the book. Did not Bishop Weeks say that he decided to pull the book because he knew he emotionally wounded (or emotional/psychological abuse is a better term] her the last 48 hours? Maybe he lied or maybe I'm being hysterical over what he said. If it is true that JB halted the book, she really did him a favor because libel is a legal issue (that goes beyond slander) esp. concerning another individual. FYI, Weeks did get a front page story in Gospel Today for those that think "well, Juanita committed libel against him" in Essence (though she hasn't personally written any material about him as he claims to have written about her.) |
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Post by livinganewlife on Jan 21, 2008 8:02:06 GMT -5
I was on another message board and found out this; BET News Special- Bishop Weeks lll Tune in Sunday at 11 a.m. and 10 p.m. (ET/PT) for this BET News special.
If you saw the interview what were your thoughts?
Personally I thought the interview was very disturbing on two accounts:
One: if TW is telling the truth it is disturbing and
Two:if he is lying it is disturbing..... |
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Post by heaven on Jan 21, 2008 16:53:11 GMT -5
I thought it was disturbing too. He basically describe her as jealous, evil and let people take advantage of her. And he describe his self as a nice, caring person who never did anything wrong. And she's just trying to destroy him. But he came off as this person who is jealous and got tired of being in the back instead of the front. And he is very arrogant. He said she was so jealous of him and didn't want him to be with someone else. He said that was one of the reason's she allegedly "set him up". He said She would rather see him go to jail than be with someone else. Then he said she was a different person when he came back from seeing his daughter. He said her and his daughter didn't have a relationship. And he talked about how they tried to have a baby but couldn't. And he said that she married him because she needed to be married to a king because she was a queen and their were some doors she couldn't get into because she was single.  (But most people didn't even know who he was until she married him, so I didn't get that statement.)  And what else is also disturbing is he has not shown any emotions. He's the same way every time he does interviews, press conferences, etc. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Jan 21, 2008 17:36:43 GMT -5
Because you dont understand how some churches and some church organizations work....
You also assume most people didnt know who he was.. but in certain circles he is known and so is his family...
You might be shocked to know a lot of people dont even know who Prophetess Bynum is..
I am tired of both of them and I wish they would both just put their mess away quietly...
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Post by heaven on Jan 21, 2008 18:30:18 GMT -5
It's the way he said it. It said it like she had to marry him because of who he was. (And if that was the case she could have married someone that had a lot more than he did.) Like I said before most people know his father but most didn't know who he was until they got married. I only knew his name because of his father. Most people even if they never heard her preach or sing or read her books, they have her her name before.
It's him not her. He seems to keep wanting to do interview after interview. How many is he going to do? He has done about 10 or more and it seems like he is not going to be finished anytime soon.
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Post by anointed on Jan 21, 2008 18:34:13 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are saying they still tired of Juanita, and she hasn't even made anymore media appearances/statements concerning this issue since the earlier part of December. At this point, she has done what many bloggers are wanting ... and that is being quiet about the situation while continuing to go on with her life and ministry. It seems as if Bishop Weeks is still going on about the situation, as he chose to do a BET interview this month amid his 8-day revival and new year consecration services. Juanita isn't talking. Isn't that what everyone wanted? So what presently is tiring you about her when she's not even saying anything even though the news media is requesting for her to respond to Weeks's side of the story? But I guess, whether she talks or not, she still is making people sick At this point, I'm with heaven ... it's him, not her. |
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Post by anointed on Jan 21, 2008 19:14:48 GMT -5
It's him not her. He seems to keep wanting to do interview after interview. How many is he going to do? He has done about 10 or more and it seems like he is not going to be finished anytime soon. The Good Bishop has done more than Ms. Bynum at this point. Let's do a count: Bishop Weeks: 1. Tom Joyner (talked about Bynum) 2. WAOK Atlanta (talked about Bynum) 3. V-103 Atlanta (talked about Bynum) 4. Gospel Today - Front Cover (talked about Bynum) 5. Inside Edition (talked about Bynum) 6. BET Exclusive (talked about Bynum) 7. Fox 5 Atlanta (talked about Bynum) 8. Channel 2 News Atlanta (talked about Bynum) 9. Black America web (talked about Bynum) 10. Introduced book "What love taught me" (talked about Bynum) Juanita Bynum: 1. Tom Joyner (refused to answer questions concerning relationship with Weeks but did mention thought of divorce, talked about how she was holding up) 2. WAOK Atlanta (ministered and didn't mention anything about Weeks) 3. V-103 Atlanta (ministered mostly but did mention she felt like someone hit her on the back with a bat when she learned of book) 4. Good Morning America (5 minute interview in which Bynum avoided Robin's question of Weeks) 5. Fox 5 Atlanta (emotionally reflects on attack, but no details of Weeks's character, she did say Weeks never raised a fist to her in the marriage) 6. Essence (talked about Weeks but admitted she contributed to marriage failure) 7. TBN (said Weeks is a man of God and prophet and God has a plan for him and to pray for him) 8. Star Jones (talked about how she was holding up and said Weeks was not a monster) Question: So how is Bynum assassinating Weeks' character publicly when she still calls him a man of God and prophet ... she admits that he never drew a fist at her in the marriage before the incident ... she said her husband is not a monster ... she said her marriage had its ups and downs like every marriage and both should've worked more on it? (these are all things she said publicly) Please explain it to me. However, did anyone catch the end of Weeks's interview when he said Bynum needs to find God again (as if she has lost her salvation. Wow!?) The only thing Weeks agrees with Bynum about is when she told the bellman "please don't hurt my husband." Other than that, she's unstable and on medication, etc. Now many people don't like Bynum because she wants to do movies, businesses, etc. Now, what I don't understand is there are ministers like her spiritual father, Bishop Jakes, who has done movies, plays, businesses, etc. but not too many are coming against him. I was talking about this with an older person the other day and they just said "It's just her time to go through." Juanita isn't no angel (she admits how she can be at times on many of her videos) but that still doesn't mean that in the midst of her mistakes, that this isn't a real "trial" rather than "fall" for her. P.S. Also, as far as the interview: I thought he had on a little too much makeup! Just my opinion. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Jan 21, 2008 19:50:12 GMT -5
Do we see the actual problem here or is it just important that one person win |
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Post by anointed on Jan 21, 2008 20:18:06 GMT -5
Giants, do you mean the actual problem is there are no winners in this situation? Agreed.
However, it's crucial that we be accurate in realizing that one has NOW chose to stop going back and forth doing TV interviews... and has been for some time now. That's all. When they met with lawyers earlier this month it was quiet and closed door. So what more are people wanting? You can't take Bishop Weeks's interview with BET and wish him and her will be quiet when she has been quiet lately. It's not a matter of her winning, but her being quiet as of to date (as many bloggers have wished for). If the Lord is your vindication, why try to defend yourself? As of to date, JB hasn't been trying to vindicate herself of Weeks's allegations. (Although she really has nothing to defend if she was attacked in the measure reported).
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Post by giantsdodie on Jan 21, 2008 21:49:57 GMT -5
Giants, do you mean the actual problem is there are no winners in this situation? Agreed. However, it's crucial that we be accurate in realizing that one has NOW chose to stop going back and forth doing TV interviews... and has been for some time now. That's all. When they met with lawyers earlier this month it was quiet and closed door. So what more are people wanting? You can't take Bishop Weeks's interview with BET and wish him and her will be quiet when she has been quiet lately. It's not a matter of her winning, but her being quiet as of to date (as many bloggers have wished for). If the Lord is your vindication, why try to defend yourself? As of to date, JB hasn't been trying to vindicate herself of Weeks's allegations. (Although she really has nothing to defend if she was attacked in the measure reported). anointed in all honesty.. I really dont care who is and who isnt talking or who stopped talking first.... they BOTH made a horrible mess of this situation and created an embarassment to the entire body of Christ.. |
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the man doesn't know if you are saying yes or no.... You have to let your No mean, NO... 
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(But most people didn't even know who he was until she married him, so I didn't get that statement.) 