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Post by kanyon on Feb 8, 2008 9:19:57 GMT -5
Because widely known ministries are in the lime lite we can assume that they are the tip of the iceberg, their actions represent what we, the body have allowed to infect the Church, namely greed, idol worship, ungodly and loose living, divorce etc. We have looked into the eyes of the 'ministries' and they are us. But God still has a true Church and I'm seeing around me that's what people are still drawn to. I'm a witness. Yes, praise God He has the true Church.  I was merely reflecting on the fact that those whose lives now disappoint us are displaying what we, the carnal church have allowed. We need a real heaven sent sin destroying Jesus uplifting revival. |
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Post by anointed on Feb 8, 2008 9:26:36 GMT -5
But God still has a true Church and I'm seeing around me that's what people are still drawn to. I'm a witness. Yes, praise God He has the true Church. I was merely reflecting on the fact that those whose lives now disappoint us are displaying what we, the carnal church have allowed. We need a real heaven sent sin destroying Jesus uplifting revival. Kanyon, I do agree with you that we have allowed so much to go on in the church that's not reflective of holiness and God is afflicting some of his leaders not only in his judgement but in his faithfulness. In his faithfulness, he can allow some drastic circumstance that will keep us in need of him (lately, I've seen JB in prayer where she's called and not out trying to be the next Wall Street wonder  ). God sometimes will allow things that he knows will keep us coming after him. But there does need to be more reverential fear for God in the land. Many times, I feel he's treated lightly. |
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Post by livinganewlife on Feb 8, 2008 9:33:21 GMT -5
Because widely known ministries are in the lime lite we can assume that they are the tip of the iceberg, their actions represent what we, the body have allowed to infect the Church, namely greed, idol worship, ungodly and loose living, divorce etc. We have looked into the eyes of the 'ministries' and they are us. But God still has a true Church and I'm seeing around me that's what people are still drawn to. I'm a witness. No matter how we like to water it down people (the world) is still drawn to ministers in the limelight and much true to what Kanyon has said we (the church people) has allowed to much mess to continue in our pulpits through manipulation of the scriptures.... |
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Post by anointed on Feb 8, 2008 9:58:10 GMT -5
But God still has a true Church and I'm seeing around me that's what people are still drawn to. I'm a witness. No matter how we like to water it down people (the world) is still drawn to ministers in the limelight and much true to what Kanyon has said we (the church people) has allowed to much mess to continue in our pulpits through manipulation of the scriptures.... I disagree in love my sister that most people are drawn to ministers who are famous. Also, I wasn't disagreeing with Kanyon. Please don't consider what I have to say as "watered down" as I do respect your perspective. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 8, 2008 11:51:51 GMT -5
PPL are drawn to celebraties, period... Nobody didn't know or care about T.D. Jakes till he made it on TBN... He went from a front store church to a magechurch over night... T.D. Jakes is very smart, gifted and has a lot of wisdom and he came from a well educated family. What I realize is that most of these ministers are like U & I... the only different is that they are in the limelight and expected to live up to a level that they have been not trained or prepared. Most have not been given a chance to mature to that level and know how to hand the frame. Some have not been broke in some area in their lives. These ppl are push to the fore front with a lot of begs , such as insecurity, low self-esteem, jealousy, prides, unforgiveness, anger, abused, etc. As far as money concern, of course they are going to make a lot of money and going to do what most ppl do when they make money, spend, invest, and make more money... I don't have a problem with that, this is USA, there no limit to how much money you can make with your personal businesses. Someone from another bb say they making money of poor Christian  I told them, everybody make money off of ppl... it don't fall from heaven.... it supply and demand, Business 101... they sell their CDs, DVDs, Books and have those conferences and revivals.... money pour in.  I think the exposure to some of these ministers are the act of God's grace and mercy, to bring them back to Him and to take ppl's eyes and trust off of flesh and put them on the True Living God. Our failure let us know we need more of God and less of self. I believe God is doing a work in Both Juanita and Weeks. |
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Post by livinganewlife on Feb 8, 2008 14:37:09 GMT -5
PPL are drawn to celebraties, period... Nobody didn't know or care about T.D. Jakes till he made it on TBN... He went from a front store church to a magechurch over night... T.D. Jakes is very smart, gifted and has a lot of wisdom and he came from a well educated family. What I realize is that most of these ministers are like U & I... the only different is that they are in the limelight and expected to live up to a level that they have been not trained or prepared. Most have not been given a chance to mature to that level and know how to hand the frame. Some have not been broke in some area in their lives. These ppl are push to the fore front with a lot of begs , such as insecurity, low self-esteem, jealousy, prides, unforgiveness, anger, abused, etc. AT I agree people will flock to celebrities no matter who they are or where they are... I believe it is human nature to do so.... However what I do disagree with is that preachers in the limelight are not able to handle notoriety and celebrity status.... that is so far from the truth....the only way people scrutinize and criticize a "celebrity" preacher so is when their life and actions are not lining up with the Word of God.... As of now, do we hear or see TD Jakes name smeared all over the TV with his ministry being pulled ripped apart...NO because Jakes is trying to live the life he preaches about..... The thing with JB is that she preached and declared so hard on numerous occasions that she was a woman walking with God and walking Holy with God and definitely hearing from God in every area of her life.... Especially with this marriage thing.... JB preaching on singleness and preparing yourself for marriage is the very message that brought her to the forefront and which happen to be the very same message she couldn't keep or live up to herself..... |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 8, 2008 15:33:50 GMT -5
[quote author=livinganewlife board=news thread=1197560585 post=1202499429
AT I agree people will flock to celebrities no matter who they are or where they are... I believe it is human nature to do so....
However what I do disagree with is that preachers in the limelight are not able to handle notoriety and celebrity status....
that is so far from the truth....the only way people scrutinize and criticize a "celebrity" preacher so is when their life and actions are not lining up with the Word of God....[/quote]
Some can't handle it .... Some was born in the limelight, but those with the overnight success... some havn't been prepared for what they was up against.
Yes, they tear down T.D. Jakes too, along with Joyce Meyer, Pastor Dollar and others.... especially on different BB... they get attack too from every side.
JB wasn't getting too much hit still her got beat down.... This is probably the reason why she was afraid to divorce him back in 2005... She was embarrassed by this whole thing.
This is one of the thing I learn in the school of the prophets, God will challenge in the area that you preach. What she have preached was truth. God is not going to tell us everything, something we just have to talk through by faith.
Who say she wasn't prepared? She may have follow everything on the list she preached... and check everything off... to find out that you can not control the other person action, personality, behavior, and decision. What she fail to tell is that nothing is guaranty... Your marriage can fail even when you do all the right wife things... and be so sweet and meek. A man can win the husband of the year and still can fail.... I can't judge her and say she didn't live up to what she preached, because it take two for a marriage to work... I can't say she didn't hear from God?... God put Apostle Paul and Apostle Barnabas together in Ministry, no one else, one disagreement torn them apart and they went separate ways. God may have put Juanita and Thomas together, but something have torn them apart, and now they about to go separate ways. It is sad, but things happen.
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Post by kitty on Feb 8, 2008 16:06:58 GMT -5
AT,
I think it is a safe assumption to say that JB wasn't prepared. Simply by the fact that she married a man that she barely knew... This shows that she didn't spent time before God about marrying this man.
I mean what did she do...meet him week one, date him for two weeks, then fast one week then marry him after that? Unlikely... I'm sure that God would have honored her prayers for the truth along with everyone else that comes before HIM...
Other wise... what does it say to suggest that God leaves His prophets blindsighted!
AT... I truly understand that you have much love and respect for JB. But at some point you have to accept that she has some responsiblity in the sham of a marriage to Weeks. Not how badly he treated her or she treated him... But at least acknowledge thst she didn't follow her own advice about seeking the Lord about a husband.
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 8, 2008 17:21:38 GMT -5
AT, I think it is a safe assumption to say that JB wasn't prepared. Simply by the fact that she married a man that she barely knew... This shows that she didn't spent time before God about marrying this man. I mean what did she do...meet him week one, date him for two weeks, then fast one week then marry him after that? Unlikely... I'm sure that God would have honored her prayers for the truth along with everyone else that comes before HIM... Other wise... what does it say to suggest that God leaves His prophets blindsighted! We don't know how long they knew each other. They probably have seen each other many time before they started dating. They dated for six weeks.... I have heard of ppl marrying a person without dating or spending time with them.... Bill Haman, talk about his daughter.... She was engaged to marry a man, she spend time with and dated. She travelled with her father to a church in another state. When she saw the pastor, she knew that was her husband. When the pastor of that church, who was also engaged to a woman he dated and spend time with, saw her, and God confirmed to him that was his wife. They both broke off the engagement and got marry without dating and spending time. Bill Hamon said, they had their down fall, manage to stay together and work thing out. God was the one who brought them together, and now have a powerful ministry together. It took years for them to grow together and get over their differences. You can't really judge that, because we don't know what she did or didn't do. I am not going to say she didn't seek the Lord.... cause I can be completely off.... He may be the one God has chosen, but things happen that caused them to sepaprate, for example, the beat down, constantly disagreeing with each other and fighting, and ppl placing her above him, can cause problems. Juanita made it very clear that it take two for the marriage to fail, but also it take two for it to work. She did not put all the blame on Thomas. |
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 8, 2008 18:44:01 GMT -5
At,
Yes God will challenge us in those things that we preach about..for the purpose of it being real and personal to us, and not just all talk.
But I would hardly call this a challenge.
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Post by Hischild on Feb 8, 2008 19:37:50 GMT -5
I read on another board that Juanita and Thomas reconciled.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Feb 8, 2008 20:42:11 GMT -5
I read on another board that Juanita and Thomas reconciled. Does it surprise you? It was a scam the whole time. (and I really don't like this smiley - but it fits) |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 8, 2008 21:59:44 GMT -5
I read on another board that Juanita and Thomas reconciled. I need a confirmation and a cold glass of water along with a CB or Goody  |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Feb 8, 2008 22:02:41 GMT -5
I read on another board that Juanita and Thomas reconciled. I need a confirmation and a cold glass of water along with a CB or Goody LOL |
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Post by anointedteacher on Feb 8, 2008 23:57:21 GMT -5
I read on another board that Juanita and Thomas reconciled. Did you get your information from TBO Furom?  if so... throw it in the trash  .... |
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I was merely reflecting on the fact that those whose lives now disappoint us are displaying what we, the carnal church have allowed.
). God sometimes will allow things that he knows will keep us coming after him. But there does need to be more reverential fear for God in the land. Many times, I feel he's treated lightly.
I told them, everybody make money off of ppl... it don't fall from heaven.... it supply and demand, Business 101... they sell their CDs, DVDs, Books and have those conferences and revivals.... money pour in. 
if so... throw it in the trash 
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