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Post by keita nsi on Jan 19, 2006 14:16:45 GMT -5
This post has led me to consider some things about David that I either hadn't given any thought to or made some assumptions about. For example:
Did David seek God about or before fleeing Saul?
Did God tell David to do that?
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Post by MsKayLander on Jan 19, 2006 14:39:02 GMT -5
MPO (my personal opinion)
I don't think it matters really.... We may not ever know the reasons why David fled or stayed or whatever, but we do know for sure that all the he did was because that was what GOD purposed for his life. I don't believe that did anything that GOD was not aware of... whether he asked him or not....
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Post by keita nsi on Jan 19, 2006 15:21:33 GMT -5
MPO (my personal opinion) I don't think it matters really.... We may not ever know the reasons why David fled or stayed or whatever, but we do know for sure that all the he did was because that was what GOD purposed for his life. I don't believe that did anything that GOD was not aware of... whether he asked him or not.... Although I understand what you're saying, and respect your personal opinion, I disagree that it "doesn't matter" in the context of a discussion about staying under or fleeing abusive leadership. Fact is, almost every discussion I've ever heard on the subject includes some allusion to Saul and David. Add to that, the advice that is usually given (including in most of these posts) about such a situation is to seek God before leaving it. For those reasons alone, imho, it's important to be scripturally clear about what David actually did... or did not do, and how it may relate or speak to those who find themselves in similar situations. Simply put, if it "doesn't matter" whether or not David sought God in his decision to flee Saul's abusive leadership, why does it matter if we do? |
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Post by MsKayLander on Jan 19, 2006 16:00:42 GMT -5
But, you really can't use Saul and David as an example because he was not in "church" as we are in today...he wasn't fleeing his abusive leadership, but his desire to kill him... And remember, Saul was not GOD's choice....
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Post by keita nsi on Jan 19, 2006 16:20:42 GMT -5
But, you really can't use Saul and David as an example because he was not in "church" as we are in today...he wasn't fleeing his abusive leadership, but his desire to kill him... And remember, Saul was not GOD's choice.... Well, I don't think you can get much more abusive than that! But seriously, the appropriateness of using the Saul and David situation in this context (dealing with abusive leadership) is actually part of what I'm now questioning. As I said before, so many, including myself, do or have done so and I'm wondering if we really should. Hmmmm... |
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Post by Giants DO Die ns on Jan 19, 2006 16:34:08 GMT -5
God didnt choose Saul  HUH !!!!!! I Samuel 9 16 To morrow about this time I will send thee a man out of the land of Benjamin, and thou shalt anoint him to be captain over my people Israel, that he may save my people out of the hand of the Philistines: for I have looked upon my people, because their cry is come unto me. 17 And when Samuel saw Saul, the LORD said unto him, Behold the man whom I spake to thee of! this same shall reign over my people. God told Samuel to anoint Saul. Therefore he was chosen by God. Now while we can say that they were not in the church setting that we have today there is a PRINCIPLE that exists which cannot be denied. The key is this. I dont tell people to stay under abusive leadership. I tell people to seek HIS WILL in the situation. If God says STAY then stay because you have the grace to do so. If God says LEAVE then leave because you have the grace to do so. Thats the key. Seek the Lord. Now I know from my own experience that God will put people in difficult situations that are challenging for your making. Now everyones making process is different and thats WHY you need to seek GOD concerning it. |
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Post by auneeqsol on Jan 27, 2006 6:49:56 GMT -5
GDD I think she was driving home the point of Saul being rejected by God , so basically he was just sitting on the throne as king, but the anointing had left...  Hmmm sounds like some churches and pastors today huh? Can we say ICHABOD??? LOL but you get the point I was making. And if im not mistaken God had already anointed David to be King, but was it all about timing? And the bible says that God allowed David to be able to sneak up on Saul in the night, and he told him to finish him right then and there......God served him up, but David chose not to. Hmmm.... but the anointing had left Saul, or did not rest upon him anymore rather. So was that just David trying to be loyal until the end like some Church elders and members?  I think I betta let it go.....LOL And from the jump Saul was a part of God's permissive will (as some use the term) Because the ppl didnt want to listen directly to God but begged for a King to be over them. So God gave them what they asked for. It wasnt about what God wanted anymore, but it was all about man. And if im not mistaken Saul was a tall , handsome brotha right? Tsk,Tsk, Tsk, looking at the outward appearance, but not checkin the heart. Boy there's nothing new under the sun sho nuff. |
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Post by falowpce on Jan 29, 2006 1:46:04 GMT -5
Praise Him Everyone: I just wanted to add, God never said he would lead us to or give us "the right church". What He said is he "would give us Pastor after His own Heart". Therefore, what we need to do is ask him, seek him and trust His Spirit to lead us to that Pastor who is called, anointed and appointed to usher us into our next levels of destiny.
Be Blessed
Falowpce.
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Post by auneeqsol on Feb 2, 2006 3:48:39 GMT -5
Hmm that takes a different tone, and presents a different way of looking at things......  |
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Post by krazeeboi on Feb 3, 2006 22:23:03 GMT -5
Praise Him Everyone: I just wanted to add, God never said he would lead us to or give us "the right church". What He said is he "would give us Pastor after His own Heart". Therefore, what we need to do is ask him, seek him and trust His Spirit to lead us to that Pastor who is called, anointed and appointed to usher us into our next levels of destiny. Be Blessed Falowpce. 1) To whom was this promised? 2) Is this an individual promise or a collective promise? 3) Is the passage actually alluding to pastors in the New Testament church? |
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Post by chosen on Nov 22, 2007 2:42:23 GMT -5
hmmmmmm this is a very interesting topic, I believe the Lord will let you know if you are in the right church. God will give you a peace, even though there may be stuff going on in that church and it may be jacked up. Alote of times thats why God might send you there to help be a pillar in that church. Just like Giant said it all for our making.
Many Blessings
Jessica
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I think I betta let it go.....LOL