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Post by stillfocused on Dec 13, 2005 22:53:35 GMT -5
After reading about the execution of Tookie Williams and some the crazy things that everyone had to go through...a thought came to my mind. In our country there is an outcry regarding taking the life of innocent child through the means in which another person performs an abortion. In an execution there is a person who performs acts that also bring about death. The question that came mind what isn't an outcry in the land regarding the taking the life no matter what the age ? And the other was what is difference between the executioner and the doctor as they have chosen professions that end life ? And finally in either the instance of both an abortion or execution is either really consider to right in the eyes of God as a life is a life ? Keeping in mind that many innocent people have been executed and the truth only came after their deaths.
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Post by kanyon on Dec 14, 2005 16:18:12 GMT -5
After reading about the execution of Tookie Williams and some the crazy things that everyone had to go through...a thought came to my mind. In our country there is an outcry regarding taking the life of innocent child through the means in which another person performs an abortion. In an execution there is a person who performs acts that also bring about death. The question that came mind what isn't an outcry in the land regarding the taking the life no matter what the age ? And the other was what is difference between the executioner and the doctor as they have chosen professions that end life ? And finally in either the instance of both an abortion or execution is either really consider to right in the eyes of God as a life is a life ? Keeping in mind that many innocent people have been executed and the truth only came after their deaths. We have an election happening in Canada on the 23rd of Jan. I was shocked to find out from the Christian Heritage Party that we in Canada execute or abort one hundred and forty thousand babies a year. |
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Post by HezSweet nsi on Dec 14, 2005 16:38:35 GMT -5
And finally in either the instance of both an abortion or execution is either really consider to right in the eyes of God as a life is a life ? quote] Ok that got me to thinking. Capital punishment was acceptable under the law. I'm going out on a limb here, but that is the reason why we still do so today (at least in this country.) But we're no longer under the law. So under grace, shouldn't we have done away with capital punishment? I'm not saying Tookie should have ever walked this earth as a free man ever again, but is capital punishment an acceptable form of punishment in this dispensation? Hmmmmmmmm....... |
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Post by stillfocused1 on Dec 14, 2005 19:42:16 GMT -5
I know that abortion kills..yet, this post is not abortion..yet, why abortion is unacceptable and capital punishment in acceptable by Believers and non Believers alike. The end results of both is that lives are taken.
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Post by Servant4Christ on Dec 15, 2005 0:35:27 GMT -5
Greetings
I personally believe that since only God can give life, only God should be able to take a life.
Capital punishment is a stench to God, as is the murder of anyone.
If Tookie Williams repented, God forgave him. The executioner has taken on the role that should extend only to God, and they will be held accountable.
God is the final judge.
Be Blessed!
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Post by krazeeboi on Dec 16, 2005 23:12:06 GMT -5
Romans 13
1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves d**nation.
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Even the New Testament recognizes the role of capital punishment. Theoretically, I'm for it. Practically, it doesn't really pan out.
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Post by stillofocused1 on Dec 17, 2005 2:15:48 GMT -5
Okay..
Krazeeboi, point well taken. Yet, my next question what then of those who have been executed and many years later been proven to be innocent ? Is it right the for the innocent to die a shameful death while proclaiming their innocence ( we know they all say they are innocent) the same way a man who has admitted does ?
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Post by Servant4Christ on Dec 17, 2005 11:57:47 GMT -5
Greetings, Romans 13 1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves d**nation. 3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Even the New Testament recognizes the role of capital punishment. Theoretically, I'm for it. Practically, it doesn't really pan out. I disagree. As such, the 13th Chapter of Romansis interpreted by people in different ways. The key being: "the powers that be are ordained by God".This asks the questions, are those in authority, are those in government ordained by God? Too much corruption and injustice on the part of government. Of course, this does not mean I become lawless, and go against authority. Authorities may give out judgment in this world, but we know only God will decide eternal judgment. Be Blessed!! |
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Post by krazeeboi on Dec 17, 2005 23:12:23 GMT -5
Even the corrupt ones are ordained of God, yes. Hard pill to swallow, but true. "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." (Romans 9:17) "Thus says the Lord to Cyrus His anointed, Whom I have taken by the right hand, To subdue nations before him, And to loose the loins of kings; To open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: I will go before you and make the rough places smooth; I will shatter the doors of bronze, and cut through the iron bars. And I will give you the treasures of darkness, And hidden wealth of secret places, In order that you may know that it is I, The Lord, the God of Israel, who calls you by your name. For the sake of Jacob My servant, And Israel my chosen one, I have also called you by your name; I have given you a title of honor Though you have not known Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord and there is no other, The One who forming light and creating darkness, Causing well being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these." (Isaiah 45:1-7). Great article on the topic: Paul and Civil Obedience in Romans 13:1-7 |
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Post by Servant4Christ on Dec 18, 2005 2:25:37 GMT -5
Greetings,
Thanks Krazee, interesting article.
However, I'm just a die-hard when it comes to defending the underdog.
Be Blessed.
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Post by krazeeboi on Dec 19, 2005 18:12:26 GMT -5
I am as well. This is why I say that theoretically, I have no problems with the death penalty--that is, in concept. However, when it comes to determining those who should suffer this type of punishment, our society is not a just one in this regard. Better to let five guilty persons free than to execute one innocent person.
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