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Post by ybrown on May 8, 2006 10:51:08 GMT -5
THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON ANYONE... JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT....I think our quest for knowledge takes us so deep in the muck that we sometimes find it difficult to only speak what sayeth the Lord. It's good to discuss things, but sometimes we have to be careful what we "put out" only because we have all types of people that frequent this board. We have a desire to learn and to grow but is it is always fruitful for the body? Just a question??? I believe it is that lack of “wanting to know” that got to us the point where we are now. It is Satan who wants to keep the Body in the dark and there is nothing fruitful about that. This information was absolutely put out by the Lord’s leading. I recognize that there are things that the saints are not ready for and that some revelation knowledge is not meant for everyone, that’s why there are many things that will not make this board. The hardest part about gaining knowledge is that once you have it you are now responsible. You can't say you didn't know. Having it means that you shouldn't continue in darkness and since that is where a lot of people are (even saints), it can be quite comfortable there. Some people are fine where they are and I won't judge that. But there is no doubt that this is meat, not milk. One of the things that I can offer to Almighty God is my obedience and when I put this information out there, that is what I was. Well I see you referenced steeples in your post. Many things today are esentially phallic symbols (ie, symbols of power), including skyscrapers and neckties. KB, steeples that sit atop a lot of our churches have a similar origin to that of the structures they rest upon, but out of respect for Miss Kay and those that are not ready or want to hear this, I’ll say this: The steeple resembles an instrument that many of us use – a pencil. If you go to any good dictionary worth its salt and look up pencil, you’ll be surprised at what the origin of the word is; which is also compatible with the origin of steeple. We know that God often speaks using symbols, allegories, parables, etc.; and so does Satan. If Satan’s symbols are at the center of our worship, it makes me question who’s message and voice is being most heard. |
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Post by MsKayLander on May 8, 2006 11:15:27 GMT -5
well, thank you but it wasn't for me as I enjoy reading the info.  It was in respect to others that may be just coming into the knowledge... again, a lot of things will be answered when we get to glory, but in the meantime we can always study to show ourselves approved... so.... just to restate the objective of my statement.. it was not because I didn't want to know... it was out of concern for others that will concern themselves with the meat and sides and not drink the milk that will nurture them at this point... sometimes some, present company included, will find themselves dipping into a whole lot of stuff they ain't ready for and find errors and turn away instead of running forward... I guess my biggest question is.... how does this really affect/unaffect your salvation? Cause that's what it really boils down too... |
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Post by Beck on May 8, 2006 11:31:47 GMT -5
For me it doesn't effect my salvation in any way shape or form. Because the bottom line is Christ paid it all on the tree... something that Serapis could NEVER do... and even if he did do it... it wouldn't be good enough to pay our eternal debt. Satan comes as a angel of light trying to distort, deceive and to mock our relationship with Christ. I like this kind of information simply because it brings awareness of the constant traps that the enemy has set up in order to cause us to serve God foolishly and it gives us another reason to keep praying that we serve the Lord in Spirit and in truth, not with tradition, not games or gimmicks.
My question is to everyone... what if these things are true...what if we could change the pagan traditions in our church... would you do it? or would you just charge it off as not important and continue to do what we do...
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Post by ybrown on May 8, 2006 11:45:08 GMT -5
Miss Kay over 95% of the topics that are discussed don't affect our salvation. If that is the test of whether or not a topic should be explored, then just about everything on this messageboard should be questioned, and I don't see that as the case.
Are we to only discuss topics that cater to babes in Christ, just in case they come by? Is there a better place for meaty subjects to be discussed on the board?
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Post by ybrown on May 8, 2006 11:59:22 GMT -5
For me it doesn't effect my salvation in any way shape or form. Because the bottom line is Christ paid it all on the tree... something that Serapis could NEVER do... and even if he did do it... it wouldn't be good enough to pay our eternal debt. Satan comes as a angel of light trying to distort, deceive and to mock our relationship with Christ. I like this kind of information simply because it brings awareness of the constant traps that the enemy has set up in order to cause us to serve God foolishly and it gives us another reason to keep praying that we serve the Lord in Spirit and in truth, not with tradition, not games or gimmicks. My question is to everyone... what if these things are true...what if we could change the pagan traditions in our church... would you do it? or would you just charge it off as not important and continue to do what we do... Beck, I'm sad to say that we already know the answer. |
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Post by MsKayLander on May 8, 2006 12:20:21 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not expressing my thoughts clearly... I'm just trying to advocate for those that may not know... I just see so many getting caught up in things that they don't need to be concerned about right now... it's just enough to try and unlock all the mysteries in the 66 books...it's just that I pray that those that are exposing the "mysteries" of Christ are also available when folks begin to ask questions... maybe I've seen it happen so much I'm concerned....
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Post by ybrown on May 8, 2006 13:07:41 GMT -5
Let's all do and go what and where we are lead. When we do, there's no way we can go wrong and all the glory will be His!
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Post by MsKayLander on May 8, 2006 13:16:57 GMT -5
Let's all do and go what and where we are lead. When we do, there's no way we can go wrong and all the glory will be His!  Also just want to make sure for those that are still on milk don't choke on a piece of steak! ;D |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 8, 2006 13:19:40 GMT -5
ybrown,
If indeed you were/are led of the Lord in this matter - then I would suggest that you continue the discussion. However, I do understand the point that misskay is making. No, we are not to turn our head at such matters but we also cannot force it upon anyone (not saying that you are).
Maybe we should have a different forum for this type of "deeper revelatory knowledge (lol)" and another forum for "Simply the Basics". This way one is responsible for the forums they choose to go into - instead of the general "what's on your mind", which is basically a free for all.
Nikkol, Kanyon??
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Post by Beck on May 8, 2006 13:25:49 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not expressing my thoughts clearly... I'm just trying to advocate for those that may not know... I just see so many getting caught up in things that they don't need to be concerned about right now... it's just enough to try and unlock all the mysteries in the 66 books...it's just that I pray that those that are exposing the "mysteries" of Christ are also available when folks begin to ask questions... maybe I've seen it happen so much I'm concerned.... Misskay, In my opinion there is more to our faith than the 66 books of the bible. Its alot more history involved, and actually for me knowing the history helps my understanding of the 66 books alot better because it puts away so much of the doctrine that man has created. Also its not exposing the mysteries of Christ..its exposing the mysteries of the church. Jesus is the same..yesterday, today and forever. Being concerned is a good thing, and we all should be concerned..because we don't want to expose people to things that they are not ready for... Lets just be prayerful when we submit something to the thread. |
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Post by livinganewlife on May 8, 2006 13:27:30 GMT -5
I like this kind of information simply because it brings awareness of the constant traps that the enemy has set up in order to cause us to serve God foolishly and it gives us another reason to keep praying that we serve the Lord in Spirit and in truth, not with tradition, not games or gimmicks. My question is to everyone... what if these things are true...what if we could change the pagan traditions in our church... would you do it? or would you just charge it off as not important and continue to do what we do... Unfortunately too many of the enemy tricks have us bound in areas that we should be free. Knowledge is good but applied knowledge is even better!!! To walk in truth for the masses of people would cause to much confusion............ |
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Post by Beck on May 8, 2006 13:28:12 GMT -5
I have read worse things than this on the board. I really dont see what the big stink is... lol. Sorry Mod's:P
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on May 8, 2006 13:30:26 GMT -5
There isn't a stink about this matter (at least I don't see one). I think it is a matter of order. Maybe this topic (as well as some others) should be moved to a new section of the board (which I have already emailed an Admin to suggest). It is only a "stink" if we make it one.
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Post by Beck on May 8, 2006 13:40:32 GMT -5
There isn't a stink about this matter (at least I don't see one). I think it is a matter of order. Maybe this topic (as well as some others) should be moved to a new section of the board (which I have already emailed an Admin to suggest). It is only a "stink" if we make it one. Well you guys are the mods... what ever you say will be law...I just don't see the need in moving the thread.. its posted in the correct forum of "whats on your mind" right? And moving it still wouldnt stop the babe's in Christ to viewing the thread. Maybe if you just put some type of disclaimer at the top of the thread that would let the new christians know what the deal is..ya know? What are your thoughts? |
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Post by MsKayLander on May 8, 2006 13:54:31 GMT -5
Good gracious....  I am going to delete what I said so this will not be fodder... Knowing history is good for you if you already have knowledge of what is contained in the 66 books... if I don't even know that... everything else outside of that would be information overload... AGAIN I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it or we should put a disclaimer on what we say.. but we should be mindful of how we distribute information.... everybody ain't where you (general) are.... After this....  |
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It was in respect to others that may be just coming into the knowledge... again, a lot of things will be answered when we get to glory, but in the meantime we can always study to show ourselves approved... so.... just to restate the objective of my statement.. it was not because I didn't want to know... it was out of concern for others that will concern themselves with the meat and sides and not drink the milk that will nurture them at this point... sometimes some, present company included, will find themselves dipping into a whole lot of stuff they ain't ready for and find errors and turn away instead of running forward...
Also just want to make sure for those that are still on milk don't choke on a piece of steak! ;D
I am going to delete what I said so this will not be fodder... 