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Post by Beck on Jul 20, 2006 12:23:00 GMT -5
I still think repentance is a change of heart... until my heart changed I was still sinning in my heart... its actually both... cant have true repentance without both the heart and mind being converted... a complete change and hate for the sin, turning away from and living a new life according to Gods word. |
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Post by MsKayLander on Jul 20, 2006 12:33:41 GMT -5
true... however, I didn't learn that until I studied it for myself... I was taught that my mind had to change.... my heart was still filthy and no one told me that... when I hear people ministering to candidates for baptism, they tell them to repent and be Godly sorry... why can't they explain it in simple terms? How do you get someone to understand GODLY sorrow?
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 20, 2006 15:02:34 GMT -5
Some ppl teach that the mind and heart in terms are interchangeable. So it might be the same way, but I can see both sides tho. Riding to work this morning, I was thinking the same thing and was going to ask Jasmine if she thought the same because I, too, can see both sides. I can see both sides, and I think MissKay's post just hit the nail on the head. It brings back the scripture, or is it even a scripture " With out Godly sorrow, there is no true repentance". Godly sorrow, comes from the heart. a contrite heart |
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Post by auneeqsol on Jul 20, 2006 20:38:27 GMT -5
Yeah I would say that it has to do with one's mind being made up. Now the reason why I am coming from this view point is because I have been in sin, while yet being saved and filled with the holy ghost, because my mind wasnt made up to really do what it takes to follow the word and that's surrender from my own will to the will of God. But!!!! guess what my heart was aching, I didnt want to do what I was doing, it wasnt that I was getting caught, I mean alone at night by myself I would be tore all up inside, because I had a desire to want to live for Christ. So one's mind has to be made up and then I believe when your mind is determined to do or not do a thing you can walk forward in full force to maintain that thing you desire to do. I can be wrong, but I guess aside from properly interpreting scripture there are no right or wrong answers......  nothin wrong with thinkin tho, its good for ya, keep them wheels turnin!!!!! ;D |
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 20, 2006 23:38:44 GMT -5
I look at like this:
New year resolutions. Every year somebody makes up in their mind that they are not going to smoke, cuss, fuss, sin, drink beer, eat watermelon, fry chicken, or eat red meat (chicken and fish only). This is what their are saying in their mind.
So yes they start out really good, but 2 weeks later they get tired of and go back to their old ways. Why? Because of the heart. There heart wasn't really in it.
Its kind of like lipservice..your mouth says one thing, and you actually mean another.
The mind is saying one thing, but your heart actually mean another. True repentance just can't be done with out one or the other.
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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 21, 2006 2:55:06 GMT -5
We use the phrase "change of heart" somewhat colloquially, and we usually mean a change of mind when we say it. Biblically speaking, a change of heart refers to regeneration, not repentance.
"I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God" (Ezek. 11:19-20).
"I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws" (Ezek. 36:25-27).
Repentance is a change of mind and a change of direction. All of this, while distinct in parts, is very, very much interrelated. I don't think you can have one without the other.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 21, 2006 4:48:41 GMT -5
We use the phrase "change of heart" somewhat colloquially, and we usually mean a change of mind when we say it. Biblically speaking, a change of heart refers to regeneration, not repentance. "I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God" (Ezek. 11:19-20). "I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws" (Ezek. 36:25-27). Repentance is a change of mind and a change of direction. All of this, while distinct in parts, is very, very much interrelated. I don't think you can have one without the other. amen |
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nothin wrong with thinkin tho, its good for ya, keep them wheels turnin!!!!! ;D
