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Post by stillfocused on Jun 25, 2007 12:15:12 GMT -5
Infidelty in and out of the pulpit is weighing heavy on my mind. We all know that it's wrong and that we have seen the devastating consequences of it. In many places of fellowship it occurs knowingly and unknowingly; yet, what I am questioning is how one deals with it when it's within leadership structure. One of my biggest concerns is how we recover and move forward after the sin has been exposed, disclosed, and confessed.
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 8, 2007 11:49:48 GMT -5
I thought in light of everything that has been going the past few months we could revisit this post.
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Post by keita on Oct 8, 2007 18:07:02 GMT -5
BUMP.  |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 9, 2007 6:06:45 GMT -5
It is my belief that those who are caught up in this, and are "in the pulpit" need to take a "season of rest". And yes, I mean by sitting down. I also believe this is the way to go for those who are "not in the pulpit". I don't believe that one should have to wait until someone sits them down, I believe that it is an integrity issue and your conscience should not allow you to continue in your mess.
There are many who disagree with this and they often bring up King David and his sin with Bathsheba. In a sense, God also sat David down as he no longer had any "peace" in his home for the rest of his days.
(Still getting my thoughts together, I will be back.....)
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 10, 2007 11:26:25 GMT -5
ASWSOY..you bring up an interesting point in that there was no peace in David's home. Yes, many have and are caught up in this. Yet, I believe there needs to be a period that one much take the word of God and search their own hearts. I strongly believe that because there is a lack of conviction in the body of Christ from leadership to the pew is why we are seeing this behavior in the first place. Having a form of godliness..but, denying the power there..having a mindset that God will forgive me..yet, forgetting that there are consequences that comes along with act.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 10, 2007 12:36:22 GMT -5
Whether its infedelity or any other sin, I believe that there is a point in which the individual should do the right thing. You have to know yourself and if this is a problem for you then you really should "take a breather".
True story..............
There was brother in our church - single, young (or so), etc. I met him in our church's outreach ministry. Anyways, at the time I met him, he was spoken for but he would always flirt. Skip a couple of years and many many women (and much sin) later - he is an ordained minister. Yet, he does not stop his ways. (Now I also fault the one who recommened him however, that is a different issue.) He now comes after me, me trying to prove that he is not the mac that he thinks that he is, and begin to flirt back just to show "two can play that game" and "I also, was a playa (female) back in the day". However, he goes for the gut and actually asks me to have sex with him. At this point, I flirted so much that it was difficult to get him to stop. He kept going, calling, flirting, making plans etc. My conscience got the best of me and I told on myself. I also sat myself down because I knew that a woman of God should not have been behaving like that and I had to find out why I was having so much fun (yet did not sin ....or did I?). Okay so they sit him down for a season because I also told on him!!!!
Eventually, he leaves me alone but not the other women. He finds out a few months ago that he has cancer, had surgery a few months ago which scared him enough to marry the girl that he was dating all along through out all these years and many many women that he was flirting and/or sleeping with. (No, he did not sleep with me). Okay, so he's married now - so he should stop, right? Nope, not at all. He continues to "do his thing".
Sunday before last, I attended his funeral and I couldn't help but think about how many of the women who was at his funeral did he possibly go after. I felt bad to be thinking such a thing at this time. After the funeral, my friends and I went out to dinner and we began discussing the guy we knew. I said, "well, they say he finally married the girl of his dreams". My friend at the table said to me, "Yep, sure did and he was just at my house 2 weeks ago, asking why I wouldn't marry him!"
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 10, 2007 12:45:06 GMT -5
AT the story you shared is soooooo typical in searches these days with the only exception that the brother finds out he is HIV positive and turns his life around from being gay and then jumps up and marries "the woman of his dreams"......only to attend his funeral several months after his marriage (mmphh)  I would suggest to all those women an HIV test.......... |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 10, 2007 12:48:43 GMT -5
Hey, I am not AT!
lol
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 10, 2007 13:39:13 GMT -5
I am realizing that's is not necessarily...the love of God within that people are drawn to..yet, it's the charisma of that person. Sadly, alot of these men..know that they can pull anybody they want to..and being weak willed and silly..some women even if they know it's wrong that lie down with them anyway just because it's a minister or Pastor.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Oct 10, 2007 14:49:23 GMT -5
Or not just because its a minister or pastor, but simply because they are "drawn away by their own lusts".
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 10, 2007 15:12:33 GMT -5
I am realizing that's is not necessarily...the love of God within that people are drawn to..yet, it's the charisma of that person. Sadly, alot of these men..know that they can pull anybody they want to..and being weak willed and silly..some women even if they know it's wrong that lie down with them anyway just because it's a minister or Pastor. Women fall in love with the anointing and not the person. They don't know when the anointing is lifted, they will have to deal with the real person. Whenever a single minister come to our church (before the split), the women go crazy. One sister, a mother of three  , claimed Prophet____ is her husband, she started calling the man ( i don't how she got his number). She was separated from her husband, I was trying to figure out how can God tell you that Prophet ____ is your husband, when you already have a husband. There were several other women in the church claiming this short big headed man to be their husband too, at the same time  ... They all had the same vision, being dress in white, bending down kissing this little man. It had to be the anointing!!!... ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 10, 2007 15:13:42 GMT -5
AT the story you shared is soooooo typical in searches these days with the only exception that the brother finds out he is HIV positive and turns his life around from being gay and then jumps up and marries "the woman of his dreams"......only to attend his funeral several months after his marriage (mmphh) I would suggest to all those women an HIV test.......... I posted the story on the marriage thread |
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Post by keita on Oct 10, 2007 15:52:14 GMT -5
I am realizing that's is not necessarily...the love of God within that people are drawn to..yet, it's the charisma of that person. Sadly, alot of these men..know that they can pull anybody they want to..and being weak willed and silly..some women even if they know it's wrong that lie down with them anyway just because it's a minister or Pastor. That's exactly why the Bible talks so badly about "silly women". They're a nusiance, a burden and can be downright dangerous. And even worse, are women who act silly when they actually aren't, especially if they're anywhere near 40 or beyond. Women fall in love with the anointing and not the person. They don't know when the anointing is lifted, they will have to deal with the real person. Whenever a single minister come to our church (before the split), the women go crazy. Sis AT, I truly believe you're on to something with recognizing that "the anointing" is indeed powerfully attractive, especially to women of GOD. There is an old saying that "power is the greatest aphrodisiac" and "the anointing" is "POWER"... and more! But your first sentence needs some serious qualifying. Because women who know GOD for themselves are more accustomed to "The LIGHT", less likely to be blinded by HIM and therefore, far less subject to that kind of "confusion". What?  ? I once watched that EXACT SAME scenario play out in a "chuch" that I used to attend!!! I'm serious, right down to your description of the "short big headed man" (LOLOL!  ) being the object of all these women's affections! Wouldn't it be funny if it was the same minister? LOLOL! Like I said, the anointing is powerfully attractive.....looks good on EVERYBODY and makes everybody look better. I've seen some seriously homely men preach their way into someone more attractive right before my "eyes". But when they were done preaching, sis, they changed right straight back! LOL! |
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Post by anointedteacher on Oct 10, 2007 16:31:36 GMT -5
I am realizing that's is not necessarily...the love of God within that people are drawn to..yet, it's the charisma of that person. Sadly, alot of these men..know that they can pull anybody they want to..and being weak willed and silly..some women even if they know it's wrong that lie down with them anyway just because it's a minister or Pastor. That's exactly why the Bible talks so badly about "silly women". They're a nusiance, a burden and can be downright dangerous. And even worse, are women who act silly when they actually aren't, especially if they're anywhere near 40 or beyond. Sis AT, I truly believe you're on to something with recognizing that "the anointing" is indeed powerfully attractive, especially to women of GOD. There is an old saying that "power is the greatest aphrodisiac" and "the anointing" is "POWER"... and more! But your first sentence needs some serious qualifying. Because women who know GOD for themselves are more accustomed to "The LIGHT", less likely to be blinded by HIM and therefore, far less subject to that kind of "confusion". What? ? I once watched that EXACT SAME scenario play out in a "chuch" that I used to attend!!! I'm serious, right down to your description of the "short big headed man" (LOLOL! ) being the object of all these women's affections! Wouldn't it be funny if it was the same minister? LOLOL! Like I said, the anointing is powerfully attractive.....looks good on EVERYBODY and makes everybody look better. I've seen some seriously homely men preach their way into someone more attractive right before my "eyes". But when they were done preaching, sis, they changed right straight back! LOL! LOLOL!!!! there are actually two of them.... One is the brother of a group called GUY.... He was married and divorced... it been some year since the last time he came. The other one I can't remember his name, he was sent to my church because the speaker was sick (a real old prophet) and he came in his place, This man was full of lust, and he was short with a big horse head. He lusted at one of the lady in my church and my apostle, pastor and visiting minister almost fell out of the seat  ... He got convicted and begin tell on his self LOL Him and his wife is separated because HE commited adultry and he wife left him. Than he say he looking a wife lol it was so funny.... After church the three women ( my pastor, apostle and the visiting minister) took him in the back and gave him a good whooping ;D. There were some, even after he confessed wanted him, especially the one he lusted after. She only come to church if there a male prophet in town... the church wh_r_ .... Ho there is one more!!! Cheat (Chief) Apostle, Profit (Prophet) K._ Sp__K.... Money Man!!! He Rip PPL Off and Run.... He had at least a dozen women following him!!! He is a little taller, and nice looking, with a BIG MOUTH.... He told me if I give him 186 dollars The Lord will healed.... "If you will only obey God and give him $186.00...." all I could do is laugh ;D... "Are going to obey God?.".. Women I never seen before was carrying this man Bible, taking his clothes to the cleaner, pouring his water and emptying out their purse . They all thought he was going to marry them... till he disappear. |
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 10, 2007 16:36:55 GMT -5
ATT..I had to laugh when I read the comment a big the short "big" headed man. Now, that's desperation. Ya'll know the anointing does make you attractive...and that's the truth.
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, claimed Prophet____ is her husband, she started calling the man ( i don't how she got his number). She was separated from her husband, I was trying to figure out how can God tell you that Prophet ____ is your husband, when you already have a husband. There were several other women in the church claiming this short big headed man to be their husband too, at the same time 
... They all had the same vision, being dress in white, bending down kissing this little man. It had to be the anointing!!!... ;D ;D ;D
? I once watched that EXACT SAME scenario play out in a "chuch" that I used to attend!!! I'm serious, right down to your description of the "short big headed man" (LOLOL! 
) being the object of all these women's affections!
... He got convicted and begin tell on his self LOL Him and his wife is separated because HE commited adultry and he wife left him. Than he say he looking a wife