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Post by lanl ns on Oct 17, 2005 12:29:30 GMT -5
I have a question, this is a spin from the Million More thread:
Anyway here it goes:
If Jesus showed up (as a HUMAN) at your church or at one of these large conferences / crusades we attend would you recognize him?
Let me use my sanctified imagination right quick:
If Jesus showed up at 32years old he would probably look like this:
A tan skinned Jewish young man with long ponytail Dreadlocks in some Khaki pants, a golf shirt and some sandals.....looking anti establishment
Would we recognize this person as Jesus?
Would we offer Him / Her the BEST SEAT in the house?
Would we open up our Pulpit to this person?
Would we even ask Are you Minister sir?
I got a feeling that if Jesus showed up today in most of our churches we wouldn't recognize Him and certainly would not give him the BEST seat over the Bishop! ;D
Christianity today is this the way Jesus really wanted the church to operate?
What about going to the hedges and the highways?
What about SEEKING those who are LOST?
How many Christian AA Pastors were at the Million More Movement SEEKING those who are lost?
The lost are not to seek us we are to seek them.............
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Post by jasmine nsi on Oct 17, 2005 12:40:55 GMT -5
I believe that if we KNOW Him, then we should know him.
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Post by lanl ns on Oct 17, 2005 16:51:31 GMT -5
Outside of the cliches, and I know what the Scripture says: "My sheep will know my voice and a stranger will they not follow"
But what if Jesus don't say a thing and just showed up.. would we truly know him...
Maybe it is just me, yall maybe more holier than me and don't get caught up in the cares or affairs of this world and the Christian community.
But seriously thinking would you really know Jesus if he showed up and don't say a Word, but show up in the description I gave...
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 17, 2005 19:36:41 GMT -5
Im not referring to His voice. If we KNOW HIM, then why would it be so hard to recognize Him? It wouldn't if he appeared in human form, If we say that we have such a personal relationship with Him, that we are so intimate with Him, how can we not recognize someone whom we have been initimate with?
Again, why shouldn't we? Regardless of how he appears the spirit is still the same correct?
Its not about one being more holier than the other, and in my humble opinion its almost a self righteous comment on your part, however while we most definitely should not get caught up in the cares of this world..we do "care" about the events that take place in this world. This care is more about being concerned with the times/seasons of Christ's return.
Again the HIS Spirit will always remain unchanged.
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Post by stillfocused on Oct 17, 2005 19:44:10 GMT -5
Honestly, many of wouldn't recognize Christ if he came into our churches today. Because a whole alot would be like the Pharisees looking a big !!!!!!!!!! annoucement that the Messiah was in our presence.
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Post by livinganewlife on Oct 17, 2005 20:23:07 GMT -5
Jas, I was not trying to be self righteous in making that statement, however what I was trying to do is get the point across that in the scheme of things, (in real Church Services) would the Christian church really recognize Jesus if he showed up in human form as I described. If he showed up at our (AA) churches the 1st thing many of us would think is that he is a Drug Addict wandering the black neighborhoods. But what if Jesus really showed up that way: In my church they would probably call him up to the alter for prayer and then ask if he was Saved.... ;D So honestly me thinking about this, I am pretty sure that this is how it would happen in most Black churches, if we were to be real and think about it. This is just an open thought process I was trying to share with the BB for feedback.... Nothing to serious, I was just wondering..........................  |
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Post by keita on Oct 17, 2005 21:08:27 GMT -5
Sis LANL, I LOVE this question! I actually think Jesus does show up in our churches more often than we think... and we very often don't recognize Him when He does.  |
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Post by Jasmine nsi on Oct 17, 2005 21:49:39 GMT -5
My answer is this: I SHOULD hope that after all these years of growing in the Lord and taking on his mind set that, in the event that He happens to grace me with His presence, in what ever way he chooses that I WOULD know Him. If all else fails, I'll just look at his hands  |
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Post by keita on Oct 17, 2005 22:05:11 GMT -5
If all else fails, I'll just look at his hands HALLELUJAH!!! |
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Post by Jasmine nsi on Oct 17, 2005 22:16:02 GMT -5
GLORY!!!
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 18, 2005 7:00:35 GMT -5
This is a difficult question to answer...... mainly because if "Christ" did show up at our church, he would be the anti-Christ.
Now, if Jesus the Messiah had never come, and he came to our church, he wouldn't "stand out" in regards to his clothing. Even when he was in a crowd, it wasn't like he looked "different" than them regarding clothing, etc. He still needed to be pointed out (Judas kissing him).Then again, it is difficult to imagine what we would know being that we (for the most part) are all born Gentiles... granted we have been grafted in, but our heritage is not Jewish.
Now just in general, there are services by which one can visit and the spirit of God never show up and they wouldn't know the difference. While there are also times when God does show up and some people don't know. This is usually because noone was looking for him. If one's purpose for going is to find Him, when He comes (spirit of God), those that were seeking will know.
Now, if we look at this in reference to the fact that Jesus can not sin and he was a follower of the scriptures, his hair wouldn't be long because a man is not to have long hair......
I really can't get too much further into it because like I said, we aren't from the tribe of Israel so we probably would have no idea who he was or anything about Him since we probably would not have been taught to believe in only ONE God......it's possible that we would know that he wasn't part of "us" (he would be a Jew) but besides that, unless he revealed himself to us (as he did to Gentiles in the gospels), we'd have no idea.
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Post by Anointed Teacher on Oct 18, 2005 7:33:05 GMT -5
There have been many visitation of Christ, not only in churches, but individuals had a visitation of Jesus. He appeared in my church years ago during a youth revival. I was out in the spirit, but I heard the youth screaming Jesus!!! I couldn't move, and I thought they were going step on me. What I saw was only the foot of Jesus. Not all of the youth were saved, but all recognized Him.
I met a young man who was a Muslim, and converted to a born again believer. When his mother passed, he was depress and was grieving. He said as he set in his mother house alone, grieving and afraid, Jesus shown up and comforted him. He was surprised that Jesus care that much about him.
Yes, we will recognize Him.
AT
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Post by Nikkol on Oct 18, 2005 8:24:26 GMT -5
Three passages of scripture:
Mt 24:23-31 - 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with F46 a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Acts 1:6-11
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, F1 after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:1-11
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep F58 in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. [/color] 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
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Post by lanl on Oct 18, 2005 11:39:25 GMT -5
nikkol interesting scriptures but not all are related to this point. the scriptures posted has made me think of another thread ;D I will ask this question though: Will Christ recognize TODAY'S Christian church? Is the Christian Church collectively doing what Christ admonish us to do? AT,the people who saw Christ saw spirits?  ? not an actual human being walking among us flesh and blood...........which is what I am speaking of. Because in the spirit WE whom believe have all seen/felt/ talked with Christ because it is His spirit that dwells within us......... |
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Post by Jasmine on Oct 18, 2005 14:45:06 GMT -5
Is the message of Jesus Christ being Spread?
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? not an actual human being walking among us flesh and blood...........which is what I am speaking of.