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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 12, 2005 13:53:41 GMT -5
How can you say that due season isnt 5-15 years ??
Abraham waited 25 years for Isaac
Caleb waited 45 years for His mountain.
Noah labor for 120 years building the Arc before it rained.
Isaiah prophesied the messiah 600 yeras before he showed up.
Exactly whose time table are we working on. Ours or God's ??
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Post by ybrown on Aug 12, 2005 15:59:40 GMT -5
Stillfocused,
Grace and faith are totally dependent upon each other. Ephesians 2 show us that we are saved by grace through faith, not one or the other.
In its simplest definition, grace literally means God's unmerited favor. It's something God has accomplished for us totally without our help and independent of what we deserve. We can't earn God's grace.
If we look at faith it's in its simplest terms, faith is our positive response to God. Some people have an incorrect view of faith, thinking that if they have enough faith, God will do whatever they ask Him. God does not move in response to our faith. God has already moved through His grace, and our faith is simply our response to what we believe God has already done.
Ephesians 2:8 says that we were saved by grace through faith. God, by grace, made an atonement for our sins. It was not based upon something we had done to deserve it. Quite the contrary, God commended His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us (Rom. 5:8). It was totally God's grace that provided salvation and everything else he promises us.
But God's grace alone doesn't make salvation or anything else a reality in us. Ephesians 2:8 says it is by grace through faith. God's grace doesn't change us until we respond to it in faith. As we mix faith with what God has already provided by grace, then the miracle of the new birth takes place. But there must be grace (what God has already done) plus faith (your response to God's grace).
Titus 2:11 says that God's grace has appeared, or come, unto all men. If grace alone saved, then all men would automatically be saved.
It was our faith that moved God move to provide salvation for us. It was provided by grace before we were ever born. Our believing doesn't move God, rather, it moves us.
By His grace God has already blessed us with everything we'll ever receive from Him (Eph. 1:3). Faith changes us and circumstances and demons and puts us in agreement with God. But faith doesn't change or move God.
When it comes to prosperity or healing, most Christians think, "I know He can provide this need but I haven't prayed enough or I haven't been living the way I should." Well, then the question needs to be asked: when you came to the Lord for forgiveness of sins, had you been living the way you should? Had you fasted and prayed enough to earn God's unmerited favor? Of course not.
Galatians 3:3 says, "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" If we would just continue to put faith in God's grace, we would see every answer to prayer manifest in the physical realm.
Our Heavenly Father has already provided everything by His grace. If we need healing, God won't heal us. He's already done it! First Peter 2:24 shows that we were healed by the stripes that Jesus took on His back. When we pray to be healed, Jesus doesn't get off the throne and take more stripes so that we can be healed. It's already been done. That's grace.
All we have to do is respond to that grace in faith and our physical bodies will manifest what Jesus has already provided.
Joshua 1:8 tells us that when we meditate in the Word day and night and observe all that is written in it, then we make our way prosperous and then we have good success. God, by His grace, has already released His prosperity upon every person on the face of the earth (Titus 2:11). But as we get in God's Word and act on it, it changes us so that we can receive by faith.
And like Giants said, it is according to God's timing, not ours.
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Post by Beulah5 on Aug 16, 2005 3:48:23 GMT -5
So yall mean to say that we shouldn't expect any type of healing or prosperity? Although salvation is CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY enough, is that all that's in it for us? What about people in hard places who are also truly serving God and on fire and yet live under difficult circumstances or are martyred untill the day they die? God has many promises for us but that also lines up with what He has called us to do-some of us will be millionaires and some of us will never be. What is for certain is that God will definitely supply all our needs according to His riches and glories in Christ Jesus.
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