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Post by vin on Nov 17, 2008 14:13:00 GMT -5
I believe that the biggest and really only problem with welfare is the people who abuse it.
Welfare is just like certain types of housing. They were never originally intended to be a way of life but a passage way to your next move or your next job. But like in the case of housing/projects it turned out to be a great way to keep negroes in one place because they felt like once they got there they had it made. The mentality of people is what makes things so bad.
I've known women who continued to have babies for the specific reason of staying on.
I also know that the transition can be difficult too. I know two people right now, single moms who's rent skyrocketed because they make a few more dollars. And many of their benefits were cut, leaving them to make due with less than 2k a month.
But in that case I believe that's when we have to dig deep and push forward instead of retreating backwards to what is familiar and crippling.
There's no sin in helping or being helped. The sin is in the abuse.
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Post by kitty on Nov 17, 2008 14:39:23 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
In general yes... welfare is of God... there are examples of it in the bible... such as giving alms to the poor... This past summer I posted a lot of scriptures that back up the concept of welfare....
Yes I agree that there are plenty of people that abuse the system... But when we as Christians declare that we want abortion to be illegal... we have to accept that the result most likely will be a lot more single mothers without men to back them up.... Thus welfare will be needed...
either way I don't really concern myself with them when we have cases like the bailout where the top companies and banks take billions of dollars from the governemt and the first thing they do is pay the lazy top ceo their bonuses?!?!?!
Or like the fact that people don't want to have living wages and raise the mininum wage... The bible also tell us not to cheat our fellow man...
So... since I don't believe in abortion... I'm not worried about the welfare mother... but I don't like giving my tax dollars to some joker who is still forclosing on people...
Kitty
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Post by ybrown on Nov 17, 2008 16:09:18 GMT -5
It’s not things in and of themselves that are or are not of God, it’s what we do with those things. We’ve all seen and can site examples of public assistance helping some and destroying others. It’s not about the thing(s), it’s about us.
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Post by true on Nov 17, 2008 21:30:34 GMT -5
Everything is of God!!!!!! Nothing was created that wasn't created through him. ALL things are of God. Even things we perceive to not be all came from one source, God. Side note: Sigh, the above is not an accurate statement, nor is it rightly dividing the scriptures. I long for the day when we refer to scriptures in context. The portion of the scripture underlined below refers to CREATION. ALL things are NOT of God!! AS FOR MY COMMENTS ON THIS DISCUSSION: [ "Work not, eat not." 2Thessalonians 3:10And members of the Body of Christ should live and lead by example. "A" to the "MEN" as Madea would say!!! As a single mother of twins at 19 I had a part time job working 25 hours a week. Welfare gave me some food stamps and I think I received WIC (coupons for forumla) for about 8 months until my job moved me to full time AT WHICH TIME I STOPPED RECEIVING ANY FURTHER ASSISTANCE. I didn't de-fraud the system, as so many of the girls I ran with at the time did. Nor did I even seek to see what else I may be legally entitled to. I felt that I got the help for the time I needed it and that was that. Many people I dealt with at the time told me how stupid I was to let Welfare know that I was now full time and so on. These were some of the same women that used their babies social security numbers for credit cards and such. Well, thank God for deliverance anyway, cause about 8 years later I got reclaimed and found a different set of friends with a different set of values and morals. Again I say ALL things are of God!!!!! Good, bad indifferent are all from God. Most people want to say that only the good is of God. That the bad is somehow not from him. God created it ALL. If he didn't where did it come from? We have choices but they ALL came from God. For you to say all things are not of God you are saying that he is not in control of his creations which is everything. For you to say to the Creator that he didn't create ALL things he would probably laugh in your face and ask then where did it come from.... Job learned that lesson lol |
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Post by true on Nov 17, 2008 21:33:21 GMT -5
As for "dividing scriptures" isn't that all what the bible is about? There's a lot of contradiction in the bible. We can also for every point made find a scripture to support it and one to go against it.
SO SCRIPTURE IS ALWAYS DIVIDED:)
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 17, 2008 21:34:10 GMT -5
If you take this stand then you would have to say that God created EVIL and God created SIN as well...
How do you reconcile that with your theology ??
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 17, 2008 21:36:56 GMT -5
As for "dividing scriptures" isn't that all what the bible is about? There's a lot of contradiction in the bible. We can also for every point made find a scripture to support it and one to go against it. SO SCRIPTURE IS ALWAYS DIVIDED:) Is there a lot of contradiction in the Bible  I thought GOD was not the author of confusion. If GOD is the inspiration of ALL SCRIPTURE ( which literally means all scripture was GOD BREATHED ), then GOD would be conflicted and He Himself would be full of contradiction... |
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Post by true on Nov 17, 2008 21:43:27 GMT -5
As for "dividing scriptures" isn't that all what the bible is about? There's a lot of contradiction in the bible. We can also for every point made find a scripture to support it and one to go against it. SO SCRIPTURE IS ALWAYS DIVIDED:) Is there a lot of contradiction in the Bible I thought GOD was not the author of confusion. If GOD is the inspiration of ALL SCRIPTURE ( which literally means all scripture was GOD BREATHED ), then GOD would be conflicted and He Himself would be full of contradiction... Then how do you figure out why the Lord told Moses to tell Pharaoh let my people go and then turn around and harden Pharaohs heart so that he wouldn't. The bible also does have a lot of contradiction in it. The word tells us though shalt not lie. But when the Lord himself had to send a spirit to earth the spirit clear as day said I will go and be a lie on his tongue. Is that not a contradiction? And there is plenty more where those came from (bible). And lets be real there is plenty that was taken from and added to the bible since it was first written. It comes as no shock to God. He is not caught off guard by that. |
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Post by true on Nov 17, 2008 21:46:58 GMT -5
If you take this stand then you would have to say that God created EVIL and God created SIN as well... How do you reconcile that with your theology ?? Everything that God created was already in him. There's mulitiple sides of God. Everything came through him. Good and bad. If it didn't then it would not have been an option. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Nov 17, 2008 22:02:01 GMT -5
Again I say ALL things are of God!!!!! Good, bad indifferent are all from God. Most people want to say that only the good is of God. That the bad is somehow not from him. God created it ALL. If he didn't where did it come from? We have choices but they ALL came from God. For you to say all things are not of God you are saying that he is not in control of his creations which is everything. For you to say to the Creator that he didn't create ALL things he would probably laugh in your face and ask then where did it come from.... Job learned that lesson lol Not much to argue with there. But in this context, when we speak of welfare being "of God," we're talking about consistency with Christian character, godly principles, etc. So in that respect, Satan can be said to be "of God" because God created him, but he's not godly. |
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Post by true on Nov 18, 2008 4:45:56 GMT -5
Again I say ALL things are of God!!!!! Good, bad indifferent are all from God. Most people want to say that only the good is of God. That the bad is somehow not from him. God created it ALL. If he didn't where did it come from? We have choices but they ALL came from God. For you to say all things are not of God you are saying that he is not in control of his creations which is everything. For you to say to the Creator that he didn't create ALL things he would probably laugh in your face and ask then where did it come from.... Job learned that lesson lol Not much to argue with there. But in this context, when we speak of welfare being "of God," we're talking about consistency with Christian character, godly principles, etc. So in that respect, Satan can be said to be "of God" because God created him, but he's not godly. I agree .... |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Nov 18, 2008 6:42:07 GMT -5
I believe that the biggest and really only problem with welfare is the people who abuse it. Welfare is just like certain types of housing. They were never originally intended to be a way of life but a passage way to your next move or your next job. But like in the case of housing/projects it turned out to be a great way to keep negroes in one place because they felt like once they got there they had it made. The mentality of people is what makes things so bad.
There's no sin in helping or being helped. The sin is in the abuse. p.s. I SECOND THIS EMOTION!!!!!! 1-the ABUSE of welfare 2-it was never meant to be a WAY OF LIFE Excellent points Vin. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 18, 2008 17:22:42 GMT -5
Is there a lot of contradiction in the Bible I thought GOD was not the author of confusion. If GOD is the inspiration of ALL SCRIPTURE ( which literally means all scripture was GOD BREATHED ), then GOD would be conflicted and He Himself would be full of contradiction... Then how do you figure out why the Lord told Moses to tell Pharaoh let my people go and then turn around and harden Pharaohs heart so that he wouldn't. The bible also does have a lot of contradiction in it. The word tells us though shalt not lie. But when the Lord himself had to send a spirit to earth the spirit clear as day said I will go and be a lie on his tongue. Is that not a contradiction? And there is plenty more where those came from (bible). And lets be real there is plenty that was taken from and added to the bible since it was first written. It comes as no shock to God. He is not caught off guard by that. So let me get this straight. You are saying God lies... You are saying also that GOD is unable to keep His OWN word straight... You are essentially saying that GOD can lie.. which means GOD can do Evil.. two things that GOD CANNOT do.... You are also saying He is NOT Sovereign. He is NOT in control. That he has NO ability to keep His OWN Word... not a god I would serve.. |
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Post by true on Nov 19, 2008 0:57:26 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. You are saying God lies... |
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