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Post by G3 on Mar 9, 2006 14:50:09 GMT -5
I'll be back I got 2 cents in my car.
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Post by krazeeboi on Mar 9, 2006 16:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by keita on Mar 16, 2006 15:21:04 GMT -5
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Post by anointedteacher on Mar 16, 2006 15:31:19 GMT -5
That's a long read; I'll have to mull it over some then return. Thanks Keita!  I'll be back I got 2 cents in my car. Soooooo.... Krazeeboi is still reading and G3, can't find the two cent in his car  . ATT |
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Post by keita on Mar 16, 2006 15:46:05 GMT -5
LOL@ATT!
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Post by kanyon on Mar 16, 2006 17:16:58 GMT -5
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Post by G3 on Mar 16, 2006 20:13:51 GMT -5
My question to this matter is this. Whether pro or con why do we believe what we believe?
Being conclusive, what substantiate our conviction on this matter? Is it His word or the status quo?
Can we stand in the divine presence of the Godhead and say without douth or waver that this is your plan from the beginning?
Do I stand my ground by "my opinion and feeling". Or do I stand by divine order thats immutable?
What are the principles and power of life thats immutable that even the powers of heaven declares, "Forever O Lord Thy Word is established in Heaven. Have not nature proclaimed the beauty of the divine creative order of the Godhead with man and beast? Immutable and unchanging.
[glow=red,2,300]All adams shall proclaim, but all adams shall not lead!
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Post by anointedteacher on Mar 16, 2006 21:34:00 GMT -5
My question to this matter is this. Whether pro or con why do we believe what we believe? Being conclusive, what substantiate our conviction on this matter? Is it His word or the status quo? Can we stand in the divine presence of the Godhead and say without douth or waver that this is your plan from the beginning? Do I stand my ground by "my opinion and feeling". Or do I stand by divine order thats immutable? What are the principles and power of life thats immutable that even the powers of heaven declares, "Forever O Lord Thy Word is established in Heaven. Have not nature proclaimed the beauty of the divine creative order of the Godhead with man and beast? Immutable and unchanging. [glow=red,2,300]All adams shall proclaim, but all adams shall not lead! [/glow] You finally found those two pennies under the seat in your car, But did you tip the right post? The question is can women be pastors/preacher? AT |
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Post by keita on Mar 17, 2006 2:58:53 GMT -5
But, if the church continues to interpret the scriptures as women not being able to teach or usurp authority over men period, then even the most anointed woman pastor, with her head covering is still in violation of the scripture according to the interpretation, A lay woman who teaches any type of biblical session, is in violation because it says "women should not teach or usurp authority over no man". Its all about the context and how we perceive what is being said..thats why many churches today still have issues with this scripture. I think you were and are so right about this, especially in light of the questions surrounding the interpretation of “nor to usurp authority over the man” that have been raised on this thread (page 3) . As many have argued, in its original Greek, the phrase at best is an unknown one and at worst, may actually be Paul's admonishment against temple prostitution in the early Church. In either case, there is some serious doubt that this portion of scripture ever had or has anything whatsoever to do with a woman taking authority from or over a man. If that's true, then 1 Timothy 2:12 cannot be rightly divided to say that a violation of divine order is what Paul is prohibiting and thereby used to exclude women as pastors. And that's BIG because the truth is, this is the very scripture and argument most often used to do exactly that. That's why I really hope we won't miss or ignore the opportunity to consider some very strong evidence that our most common interpretation of Paul's words in 1 Timothy 2:12 may be somewhat off to very wrong. If I'm limited to yes or no, there is no doubt in my "yes". As a woman of God who preaches and teaches, the question has been both scripturally and spiritually settled for me. But I also believe that for a woman, the opposition to and challenges of her living that out are real, unique, and ongoing. So I'm always interested in rightly dividing and discussing scripture with others on this matter. In this case, what I learned about the questionable interpretation of 1Timothy 2:12 alone, has definitely made this thread another time when I was edified by doing that. |
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Post by G3 on Mar 17, 2006 14:50:34 GMT -5
It use to concern me, that as a whole, how we regressed. There's no advancement in the body of Christ. What we esteem as advancement is in reality a tolerance of the Father. Because He has not raised the roof and spoke, His silence has been the seal of approval. But is He really silent? What we esteem as a move of the Godhead is in reality the works of our own flesh. No faith. Just flesh. We'll beat ourselves to a frenzy to get a move of God.
Our discerment is clouded by our own opinions and how we feel. How is it that that what is immutable (His Word and nature), man has for eons tried to bend, twist, and alter. Only to have reprocussion of violating God's Law. All of creation understand it's boundries of existance except man.
How do we judge what's of the Father and what's influenced by the enemy. Do not believe me, believe the Word. In contexts of the Word, understand the power of the enemy to decieve. (To all you apologist who argue the contrary ) How the enemy was able to TAKE (from the wilderness and bring back to the temple in Jerusalem), SET (translation in spirit or bodily form), and SHOWED (gave vision of material things and glory) even our Lord and Savior. Really ponder in thought this tremendous event between Christ and Satan in the wilderness (is this not written or is this a fable? Maybe the writer forgot He's impeccable). Think on the magnitude, wisdom and greatness of angels and their capibilities in comparison to man. One third heaven which can not number was decieved by Satan.
Because we wrestle for greatnest, identity and exceptance, we have lost focus and discerment in the body of Christ. Though we occupy such close space, we are yet scattered in doctrine and true fellowship. Because we have not advanced onto perfection or maturity, we are stuck on simple essential and doctrines remembering how it use to be, of the former glory in power and in might.
Don't hate. Just love me. Smile
[glow=red,2,300]The change from 2 cents[/glow]
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Post by keita on Mar 17, 2006 20:10:00 GMT -5
...How do we judge what's of the Father and what's influenced by the enemy. Do not believe me, believe the Word... AMEN! I find nothing in the "word of God" (scripture) nor the "Word of God" (Christ) which would prohibit a new covenant woman from fruitfully operating in whatever Body gift, call and position He chooses for her. In both the "Living Word" and "God's living word", I see His boundless love, revolutionary regard and powerful protection for women. And I see God's deep desire, timeless wisdom and great encouragement for women to live out His gifts and calls in scriptural and spiritual integrity. That's more than enough for this "female adam" to take her "sonship" and be about her Father's "restoration" business... and pleasing Him. |
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Post by G3 on Mar 18, 2006 14:51:02 GMT -5
With Adam, the Godhead has endowed irrevocable gifts and talents collectively and individually in their creative order and in their Divine given uniqueness to both male and female. Before we can become conclusive with our opinioNs and convictions we must first substantiate by way of His Word and the Law of Nature in order to understand the creative uniqueness of both the male and female.
NATURAL QUALITIES
1. Why is the male physical anatomy designed the way it is?
2. Why is he physically superior to the female?
3. Why is a certain part of the male organ designed for replication only?
4. What are the SEEDS (plural) of the male?
5. Why is the female designed the way she is?
6. Why must she take in the male?
7. Why does her body morphs after replication?
8. Why does she incubate for season?
9. What is the seed (not Christ) of womanhood and to whom is it for?
SPIRITUALITY
What is natural was first spiritual with adamkind, unlike the first adam which was natural and the second Adam which was spiritual in Paul's discription in their earthly order of existance. What applies naturally for mankind by the divine design of the Godhead was first laid spiritually. And all natural physical attributes of the male and female adam are just superficial displays of their spiritual uniqueness. Each adam was give immutable instructions which must be followed without reservation and violation. Everything in life from the eons past, present and future, from the very throne of the Godhead to the most insunifficant minute particle of life are governed by a Divine Law of the Godhead. The enemy understand this greatly. And knowing that the Godhead is JUST, the enemy bring railing accusations against man when a LAW is violated by adam. Yes, we do have an Advocate with the Father. And we can boldly go to the throne of grace to obtain mercy. And if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us 24/7 365. But as a whole, His justice binds him to execute judgement on christiandom when we walk and practice in a continual violation of a Law. The last time I checked far too many christian are stricken with infirmities and many upon many has fallen asleep. With christiandom as a whole, the only demonstration of power in the body of Christ is the message of earthly sucsess, material assignment and material gain is godliness. (SIGH!!) OUR EARTHLY DESTINY. (BIG TIME LIFE IS JUST A VAPOR SIGH!!!! I'm sorry, thats another book. Back to the issue). The enemy operated within the perameters of their (adam) divine creative qualities in a subtle way to deceive, sudue and dethrone adam. He is very wise. That's why he approached the female first. He took advantage of her divine creative uniqueness. Knowing her uniqueness was also the male's weakness, he was able gain the pre-eminence over adam. Not because of the female being deceived, but the submission of male to the female uniqueness. The enemy, in his widom took advantage of adam prior to their reproduction. As I said before. He is very wise.
Just for survey purpose
Have you notice that when a crime is needed to be solved and they have no clues, how they seek out the spiritualist for asisstance. But it's not the big names of the christian church. Who they go to is always a psyhic. And it always seems to be a female. The enemy knows this divine creative uniqueness of the female. And from my experience I've come across far more demon possessed females than I do males.
Understanding these unique divine creative qualities and His immutable Word via precepts and example without prejudice, we are bound by the Law of Accountability.
If there are any inquiries I would love to go in detail in breaking down the physical and spiritual creative uniqueness of both male and female. This understanding will bring clarity of why there is such a great influx of female leaders in the church and in the world today. This is deeper and far more spiritual than the 60's burning of the bra in ptotest for "Women Lib". Maybe by divine wisdom Zechariah 5 maybe brought to light.
Key: The female is very smart and intelligent. And very EMOTIONAL and sensitive WHICH MAKES HER HIGHLY VULNERABLE TO SPIRITUAL SUGGESTIONS.
WHY?
I know that with this topic and as with many other topics in the House of our Father, many people are set in their ways and will be very difficult for them to hear this truth. Many are dull of hearing and are blinded by the enemy from these truths. This is the enemy job and he is very good at what he does best. For the God of this world system has blind the mind of.... Theirs hearts are fallow. Fallow grounds must be broken. The Word of God by the Spirit of Truth is like a hammer that break rocks into pieces.
I am no chauvinist. I believe strongly in chivery. The woman is the complete and fulness of the male. She gives balance and stabilizes to the male. Thats why she called along side of the male. She is a GOOD THING and a gift from the Father. GLORY!!! But I'm going to stop right there because I'm getting ahead of myself.
If the male only knew how accountable he is. Well, any questions?
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Post by krazeeboi on Mar 21, 2006 13:52:45 GMT -5
Haven't forgotton. |
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 21, 2006 21:18:39 GMT -5
Haven't forgotton. still reading ey? |
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Post by auneeqsol on Mar 22, 2006 2:29:25 GMT -5
Hmmmm im still trying to chew the tough meat mixed with the fat ( you know the kind that you can never chew up on a fatty piece of steak...really i dont think we're supposed to eat that part, but if it's seasoned real good we'll try to ...LOL) Im gonna leave that just like that...... |
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