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Post by Jasmine on Apr 13, 2006 12:41:38 GMT -5
ASWSOY,
honestly no. and I say that for this reason. There is a scripture in the bible that talks about rejoicing for those who die, and mourning for those who are born. I can't remember exactly where it is, but i know its in the word.
with so much going on in todays world, it makes you not want to have children, and even get married.
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Post by hezsweetiknow on Apr 13, 2006 12:43:19 GMT -5
And Such Were Some of You....Sent you PM.
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Post by auneeqsol on Apr 13, 2006 12:47:26 GMT -5
Hmm well...
I can't say that you are selfish for not wanting to marry or not have children. You just might be one of the ones who will not marry and remain single to do more of a work for the Lord. I mean Paul did say it was better (IHO) to remain as he is- single.
So it looks like you are still operating within the word.
Not all women were put here just to be someone's wife or a childbearer, especially if you dont have a desire for that. Some women have other destinies.
I know a woman she is a virgin and has two kids. She adopted them . They are grown now and the girl has 3 kids, and her brother doesnt, but She prob was meant to just get them and care for them so that they could have a healthy chance at life, but believe it or not, she has never been with a man and doesnt desire to be with one, and she isnt lesbian either. So who knows?
So one cant say you must be a mother, because youre a woman, and one cant say you have to become a wife.
But all i will say is make sure your heart is in the right place. You dont want to be one of those evangelical feminists/independent black women-dont need a man in my life ppl. So make sure you have pure intentions behind your reasoning.
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 13, 2006 12:47:29 GMT -5
Again, I am not advocating anything in all my personal views I stated that they were MY OPINIONS only.
I will get back and let you know how and why I decided not to seek alternative methods........
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 13, 2006 12:53:02 GMT -5
amen and I wonder how many women in the bible prayed to not have anymore children..lol Another good question! ROTFL!!!! I am so serious! They were birthing out 12, 15, 16 children during those times, and even some of our grandmothers had 12 or 13 kids. my opinion. that is way to many kids for me. My God i just can't see it. A loaf of bread has 12 slices and you got 12 kids..when did the mom and dad ever eat? Yes thats why they can boast about how they was a size 0 back in the day..You wasn't eating! LOL Couldn't have a soda, sandwich, a piece of fruit without all 12 kids saying, "Can I have some"? I understand now why, when we used to asked our mother if we could have some of her soda pop, she'd respond "Go pop your lips". Her mother must have told her that, cause she had 12 children, and if she shared with one, she had to share with them all. And sharing with all, means you can just hang it up cause once they all got done sipping your soda, it was gone. lol im sorry i am just musing in my thoughts. Ya'll just forgive me. |
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 13, 2006 12:55:50 GMT -5
Hmm well... I can't say that you are selfish for not wanting to marry or not have children. You just might be one of the ones who will not marry and remain single to do more of a work for the Lord. I mean Paul did say it was better (IHO) to remain as he is- single. So it looks like you are still operating within the word. Not all women were put here just to be someone's wife or a childbearer, especially if you dont have a desire for that. Some women have other destinies. I know a woman she is a virgin and has two kids. She adopted them . They are grown now and the girl has 3 kids, and her brother doesnt, but She prob was meant to just get them and care for them so that they could have a healthy chance at life, but believe it or not, she has never been with a man and doesnt desire to be with one, and she isnt lesbian either. So who knows? So one cant say you must be a mother, because youre a woman, and one cant say you have to become a wife. But all i will say is make sure your heart is in the right place. You dont want to be one of those evangelical feminists/independent black women-dont need a man in my life ppl. So make sure you have pure intentions behind your reasoning. I also want to add this: even if you don't want to be a mother, even if you don't desire to bear children. You still hold motherly instincts, because you are a woman. God is still awesome in his creativeness.  |
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 13, 2006 13:48:48 GMT -5
Okay, for those who understand: What articles on the internet or others can you refer me to? What does one feel about planned parenthood (since the founder had other "ideas" with this and was one of the main people in birth control use). [/b].[/quote] I did an Internet search "early forms of birth control" and I found it interesting the in it's infancy the most widespread Birth Control method there was "Was Abortions." Again, it brings me back to the point that in it's infancy I do not believe that Birth Control was meant for Christians neither God ordained. Also, birth control (abortions) were used as a method of genocide, not only against Black people but toward Native Americans as well. Adding again, just because a method has evolved odes that make it OK within the eyesight of God and the beliefs of a Christian knowing the origin of the method? |
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 13, 2006 13:56:44 GMT -5
Here was my response, to the questions you posed.
« Message sent on Today at 9:38am »
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------*this was sent via email to ASWSOY, but i am resposting it here
I can't pinpoint when it became acceptable, however I can remember back in the day when mothers would drag their teenage daughter to some facility for pregnant teens so that the family would not suffer disgrace of watching their daughter belly begin to pretrude. I can remember when teenagers/women, after finding out they were pregnant would make arrangements to meet with some "doctor" in another state to perform an abortion. I believe through the numerous deaths that stemmed from illegal abortions, was what prompted people to start using birth control.
I'll see what I can find for you
I dont care about the originator of planned parenthood. What I do care about is educating individuals about the beauty of abstinece. However because I am also a realist, I believe that kids/teens/women/men will have sex, and because they will have sex, they should also know about protection. Does it need to come from a planned parenthood facility. NO, if parents would talk to their kids about sex, then a child wouldn't even have to walk into one of these facilities.
indeed
I understand that but it's personal things touch people lives, and if I was writing a paper on a very personal subject as this, i would want to explore, hear, see, and study everything pertaining to it, including emotions. -
Amen let the Lord use ya!
Good question!
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Post by hezsweetiknow on Apr 13, 2006 13:58:31 GMT -5
Adding again, just because a method has evolved odes that make it OK within the eyesight of God and the beliefs of a Christian knowing the origin of the method? If we hold to this thought, then we shouldn't celebrate Christmas or Easter for their pagan origins. |
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Post by auneeqsol on Apr 13, 2006 14:06:03 GMT -5
Well some ppl even knock family planning, as far as the natural process of this. Now there has to be some type of way that one can be moderate in their childbearing, (if they choose).
I mean do you think its the will of God for you to have so many children, that you have to seek assistance from the govt to help?im not saying there is nothing wrong with govt assistance, but should you just keep having children back to back because you can, and then expect the govt to take care of them when you chose to have them?
Okay and another thing we dont look at. If its the natural thing for women (most) to bear children, then how come we dont go natural all the way? Like breastfeeding? Now its not 100% but if its done consistently it can be a method of BC but naturally. I know when i had my children, I BF for like at least 9-10 mths with all of them and that served as a form of BC for me. Now I know all arent able to breastfeed due to sometimes medical reasons, but for the most , we are able to. If we are going to go by the natural process , go all the way, and maybe it will be more beneficial to you. And another thing, after having babies it is wise to let your body heal itself,going through birth is trauma for the body.
Now for BC methods that destroys the embryo or something or has to do with cutting off life after it is there then to me yes thats wrong.
But for the most part, I dont even think God is concerned about it like that, but thats MY OPINION.
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Post by Grace on Apr 13, 2006 14:14:03 GMT -5
ASWSOY, If you do not truly desire marriage and kids there is nothing wrong with that. no person should feel that they are selfish or wrong for not wanting to be married or not having kids. Its a personal preference. That sounds like its the ministry God has given you. I can honestly say that I don't have that ministry and thats ok. But in my heart I have a true desire to marry and have children.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 13, 2006 15:20:24 GMT -5
Side Bar: Thanks for ALL of the PM's - you guys are absolutely awesome. I re-opened the thread because______________________ well, just because...lol. I like the discussion that is flowing now for those that are both for and against and all in between.
Yes, Jasmine you are right I love personal stories and it is helping with the statistics that I am gathering. I really enjoy the pesonal stories but it seemed as if I was offending a person or two (no, not you - you would have put me in my place....LOL)
Again, I don't want to list ALL who PM'd me but I will go to each and every link.
I love you guys!
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 13, 2006 15:21:59 GMT -5
Adding again, just because a method has evolved odes that make it OK within the eyesight of God and the beliefs of a Christian knowing the origin of the method? If we hold to this thought, then we shouldn't celebrate Christmas or Easter for their pagan origins. Please don't have me go there....LOL for I am against those holidays as well but NOT WHAT IT MEANS FOR CHRISTIANS - ours should be a daily celebration. However, different thread for a different time. |
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 13, 2006 16:09:06 GMT -5
Side Bar: Yes, Jasmine you are right I love personal stories and it is helping with the statistics that I am gathering. I really enjoy the pesonal stories but it seemed as if I was offending a person or two (no, not you - you would have put me in my place....LOL) I love you guys! I'm walking in deliverance. We love you too! |
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Post by livinganewlife on Apr 13, 2006 16:40:01 GMT -5
Adding again, just because a method has evolved odes that make it OK within the eyesight of God and the beliefs of a Christian knowing the origin of the method? If we hold to this thought, then we shouldn't celebrate Christmas or Easter for their pagan origins. When did everything become so acceptable? Are you saying original purpose and design does not count? On the filp side: The original purpose and design for sex was between married persons and to populate the Earth; and now it has evolved to a whatever feels good attitude. Is the new attitude toward sex right, even though the intent and purpose was holy and pure? |
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