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Post by giantsdodie on Jul 19, 2006 8:25:31 GMT -5
The problem I have is that saints often times act like Jesus' real name is Presto the Magician who fixed everything and nothing is required on our part.
YES Jesus fixed it on calvary but what did He fix??
He solved mans sin problem.. but we still sin.. What He fixed was our bondage to sin. We are not free from the LAW of sin and death. We can now CHOOSE to love holy and are empowered to do so.
Our SPIRIT is born again. Thats true.. Alive and quicked in JESUS and alive to GOD again because before JESUS we were dead to God.
However our MIND must be renewed and transformed. This did not happen instantly at Calvary and our mind is renewed and transformed only as much as WE allow the Word of GOD to do so.
We became spiritually alive but we did not become spiritualkly mature !!!
We were given authority over the devil but we must USE IT.
SO we have to have an accurate understanding on both sides of the coin.. What generational curses are AND what Jesus did for us. the power and authority He has given us.
Even under the blood stained banner if we do things that cause a curse to come into our lives it ain JESUS fault. Its ours. Thats why we need to be sober and vigilant and less ignorant.
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 19, 2006 10:55:05 GMT -5
This is a good topic and some very good points have been addressed:
Just to add my two cents:
ASWSOY: Asked why is it that this topic is mostly taught in the “Pentecostal Churches” and the reason is because someone receives a revelation on a topic and it becomes pretty much doctrine throughout the churches.
My question is: Is the teaching of Generational Curses Relevant?
If we are teaching liberty, freedom, and redemption through Christ than how can we be cursed at the same time?
Many of times what the Church deems as generational curses is only Environmental upbringing.
If my grandmother had a child at 13, didn’t graduate and my mother had a child at 15 and didn’t graduate and I had a child a 16 and didn’t graduate. Are we cursed or because neither one of us have never left our surroundings we do not realize that there is a better way?
If that is the case my family is cursed with highly educated people and we all are Greek. I am an Alpha Kappa Alpha, My mom is an AKA, My aunts are all AKA’s, my grandma was an AKA are we cursed to pledge AKA no. That was my and our environment and it was the only thing I knew. My father is an Alpha, my granddad is an Alpha and all my cousins are either AKA’s or Alpha’s. That is the environment in which we grew up, college was not an option pledging was not an option it was automatic thinking in my family. Is it a curse NO is it relevant NO........
My family is COGIC you would be hard pressed to find anyone in my family who is not COGIC and did not marry COGIC, even my 4th cousins are COGIC and marry other COGIC families. Are we all destined (cursed) to be COGIC? No of course not! That is our environment and it has become a comfortable way of life for us.
If the teachings were balanced then maybe we would realize that this teaching has very little effect on the body of Christ.
Sometimes we (CHURCH Folks in general) make God look schizophrenic.
I go to the alter one day I am clean, saved and Jesus became a curse for me and I am a new creature old things are passed away and my past is now under the blood.
And the next Sunday, I go to church and I have to fight generational curses against my family.
Some of these folks don’t know they daddy’s and who they are let alone who their great grand parents are.
I heard one woman prayed and denounced curses back 1000 generations….. So now we are cursed for the sins of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob………
Some of this stuff we do in the name of "someone" is borderline witchcraft!!!!!
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 19, 2006 11:02:42 GMT -5
If generational curses were so: Why didn't Jesus receive the generational curse on him from David, Tamar, and Jacob and others in his earthly lineage who had sinned against God.
Jesus was God and Man and he instructed us on how to live this life on Earth and he never went back and prayed to loose the curses of his ancestors.
HE was and is the Curse Breaker................
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Post by Beck on Jul 19, 2006 11:12:21 GMT -5
If generational curses were so: Why didn't Jesus receive the generational curse on him from David, Tamar, and Jacob and others in his earthly lineage who had sinned against God. Jesus was God and Man and he instructed us on how to live this life on Earth and he never went back and prayed to loose the curses of his ancestors. HE was and is the Curse Breaker................ Couple of things... Jesus was sinless because he didnt have a father... I believe the blood line is passed down via the father not the mother.. Secondly he took on sin, even though he knew no sin... (isaiah 53) gives a clear understanding that he bore OUR sins.. I believe its (Galations 3:13 ) that says that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law being made a curse.. |
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 19, 2006 11:52:00 GMT -5
If generational curses were so: Why didn't Jesus receive the generational curse on him from David, Tamar, and Jacob and others in his earthly lineage who had sinned against God. Jesus was God and Man and he instructed us on how to live this life on Earth and he never went back and prayed to loose the curses of his ancestors. HE was and is the Curse Breaker................ Couple of things... Jesus was sinless because he didn't have a father... I believe the blood line is passed down via the father not the mother.. Secondly he took on sin, even though he knew no sin... (isaiah 53) gives a clear understanding that he bore OUR sins.. I believe its (Galations 3:13 ) that says that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law being made a curse.. Beck I agree with you however your post only solidify that the teachings of generational curses is definitely in error, because according to the teachings of generational curses the curse can be passed down through either sex. Example: My mother was loose and I am therefore loose, my sister is loose we have different daddies but we both are cursed with the Generational Curses of my mother because we are loose women and have babies out of wedlock by different men. My Brother is promiscuous we have different daddies but he has the curse of my mother and grandmother, because my grandmother operated a brothel..... Ya feel me It doesn't matter who or how the curse is passed if the curse is through generations than Jesus would have definitely been affected because Mary was suffering from a generational curse according to this "new teaching" |
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Post by giantsdodie on Jul 19, 2006 12:14:49 GMT -5
I dont think we are accurately portraying what a generational curse is.
It is something that can be an attitude, demeanor, mindset, belief system, or sin that is prevalent in a family line usually because no one in the family line has taken authority over it. It very well cen be a function of environment ( which usually aftects how we think, feel and react to daily day to day situations.) These things can often impact not just one individual but GENERATIONS of people which is why they are often refered to as generational curses. They can affect the lives of individuals on a day to day basis.
The problem is that people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. JESUS dealt with curses on the cross YES thats true. However there are things that do not just fall off because we are saved. We have to change our mindsets. belief systems and attitudes and these things DO NOT get fixed immediately because we receive salvation. What we DO receive at salvation is the POWER to deal with them.
For example.. I can sit here and say.. I am free from the curse because of Jesus. But if as a Christian I open the door through lets say witchcraft whether it be reading horoscopes or calling psychic hotlines. Now there is an open door for the ememy to come in and wreck my life. I would become cursed.. why.. because of my sin and disobedience to the Word of God. This would affect my life and it very well might affect the lives of my wife and family even though I am saved.
The problem is in all honesty many saints have very little understanding of how things operate in the realm of the spirit. I have heard with my own spiritual ears what most people term bloodline spirits speaking about my family and generation. So they DO exist. The reality for the child of GOD is that they have the AUTHORITY to deal with them. Every devil doesnt leave just cause you get saved. Some have to be PUT OUT in the name of JESUS.
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Post by Beck on Jul 19, 2006 12:25:50 GMT -5
Couple of things... Jesus was sinless because he didn't have a father... I believe the blood line is passed down via the father not the mother.. Secondly he took on sin, even though he knew no sin... (Isaiah 53) gives a clear understanding that he bore OUR sins.. I believe its (Galatians 3:13 ) that says that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law being made a curse.. Beck I agree with you however your post only solidify that the teachings of generational curses is definitely in error, because according to the teachings of generational curses the curse can be passed down through either sex. Example: My mother was loose and I am therefore loose, my sister is loose we have different daddies but we both are cursed with the Generational Curses of my mother because we are loose women and have babies out of wedlock by different men. My Brother is promiscuous we have different daddies but he has the curse of my mother and grandmother, because my grandmother operated a brothel..... Ya feel me It doesn't matter who or how the curse is passed if the curse is through generations than Jesus would have definitely been affected because Mary was suffering from a generational curse according to this "new teaching" I understand what your saying.. Rebekah and Jacob would be an example correct? but notice what happens when God is allowed to take control.. a 100% COMPLETE change. Jacob taught to be a deceiver, is now known as Israel, the beloved of God. Remember your name represents your nature and character in biblical times. So even as we are with Christ... OLD things are passed away and behold all things are new. Curses are broken, old habits and thoughts are done away with..JUST AS LONG AS WE SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF GOD.. Remember sister that who we yield our members to will reign supreme in our lives. We cant expect to live in the liberty of God, we we are of a carnal nature... the carnal mind is separation from God. Also if Jesus was the baby of a human it would mean that he was sinful and therefore contradict the scripture that says... "he knew no sin"... Scripture always interprets scripture.. |
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 19, 2006 12:33:38 GMT -5
It seems as if we are confusing generational curses with Human Nature........
Who put the generational curse on people? Are generational curses of God or the Devil?
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Post by Beck on Jul 19, 2006 12:57:34 GMT -5
It seems as if we are confusing generational curses with Human Nature........ Who put the generational curse on people? Are generational curses of God or the Devil? And what is The human nature? Its sinful. what is generational curses based upon? the sin of the fathers being passed down to the next generation.. its all the same... Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law..being made a curse for us. Who put generational curses on us?? Adam.. Who redeemed us from the curse... Jesus... |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 19, 2006 12:58:34 GMT -5
I don't want you guys to think that I am playing "hit and run" (start a post and then don't participate) I am reading and gleaning and I still have questions that I probably will not be able to post until the weekend (due to time limitations). However, good stuff is coming.
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 19, 2006 13:13:23 GMT -5
And what is The human nature? Its sinful. what is generational curses based upon? the sin of the fathers being passed down to the next generation.. its all the same... Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law..being made a curse for us. Who put generational curses on us?? Adam.. Who redeemed us from the curse... Jesus... I am with you, but in reference to this post and the way this teaching is being taught, why are we having to go back in time and rebuke curses off of our lives from 400 years when we were redeemed from the curse upon accepting Jesus as our Lord and Saviour? |
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Post by Beck on Jul 19, 2006 13:48:02 GMT -5
And what is The human nature? Its sinful. what is generational curses based upon? the sin of the fathers being passed down to the next generation.. its all the same... Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law..being made a curse for us. Who put generational curses on us?? Adam.. Who redeemed us from the curse... Jesus... I am with you, but in reference to this post and the way this teaching is being taught, why are we having to go back in time and rebuke curses off of our lives from 400 years when we were redeemed from the curse upon accepting Jesus as our Lord and Saviour? I agree we shouldnt have to go back thousands of years and start rebuking things that God has already sanctified, justified, and purified us from. The problem is Justification isnt something that is seen by the natural eye.. its a spiritual pronouncing by God saying.."your free". Most live by the culture and family history, because thats all they were used too in life.. Just because we are justified and sanctified, doesnt mean that the enemy that fought us yesterday will give up and allow us to live our present and future without trouble. Thats why we must die daily as the bible says, and feed our faith and destroy the works of doubt. How do we do this? by presenting our bodys a living sacrifice unto God.. and as you said... allow him to be both Lord and Savior... We are REDEEMED from the curse of sin because of Christ... we have to learn how to walk in it at times... |
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 19, 2006 14:16:58 GMT -5
This is a good topic and some very good points have been addressed: Just to add my two cents: ASWSOY: Asked why is it that this topic is mostly taught in the “Pentecostal Churches” and the reason is because someone receives a revelation on a topic and it becomes pretty much doctrine throughout the churches. My question is: Is the teaching of Generational Curses Relevant? If we are teaching liberty, freedom, and redemption through Christ than how can we be cursed at the same time? Many of times what the Church deems as generational curses is only Environmental upbringing. If my grandmother had a child at 13, didn’t graduate and my mother had a child at 15 and didn’t graduate and I had a child a 16 and didn’t graduate. Are we cursed or because neither one of us have never left our surroundings we do not realize that there is a better way? If that is the case my family is cursed with highly educated people and we all are Greek. I am an Alpha Kappa Alpha, My mom is an AKA, My aunts are all AKA’s, my grandma was an AKA are we cursed to pledge AKA no. That was my and our environment and it was the only thing I knew. My father is an Alpha, my granddad is an Alpha and all my cousins are either AKA’s or Alpha’s. That is the environment in which we grew up, college was not an option pledging was not an option it was automatic thinking in my family. Is it a curse NO is it relevant NO........ My family is COGIC you would be hard pressed to find anyone in my family who is not COGIC and did not marry COGIC, even my 4th cousins are COGIC and marry other COGIC families. Are we all destined (cursed) to be COGIC? No of course not! That is our environment and it has become a comfortable way of life for us. If the teachings were balanced then maybe we would realize that this teaching has very little effect on the body of Christ. Sometimes we (CHURCH Folks in general) make God look schizophrenic. I go to the alter one day I am clean, saved and Jesus became a curse for me and I am a new creature old things are passed away and my past is now under the blood. And the next Sunday, I go to church and I have to fight generational curses against my family. Some of these folks don’t know they daddy’s and who they are let alone who their great grand parents are. I heard one woman prayed and denounced curses back 1000 generations….. So now we are cursed for the sins of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob……… Some of this stuff we do in the name of "someone" is borderline witchcraft!!!!! I re-read my post and people not graduating is not really a curse. I cant say whether I am for or against the term "generational curse", However whether its environmental, genetics or etc..if you do not have a relationship with JESUS, then those same sins your mother or father did, you are prone to do those same sins. Why? They saw it, they experienced it, We watched them do it, We experienced, and if you don't get it straight and end it with you, your children will do it. Learned behaviors. When you are a sinner..you are still cursed with a curse. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Jul 19, 2006 14:31:55 GMT -5
It seems as if we are confusing generational curses with Human Nature........ Who put the generational curse on people? Are generational curses of God or the Devil? And what is The human nature? Its sinful. what is generational curses based upon? the sin of the fathers being passed down to the next generation.. its all the same... Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law..being made a curse for us. Who put generational curses on us?? Adam.. Who redeemed us from the curse... Jesus... I think this is a true statement. However it does NOT cover rthe unsaved, NOR does it cover the saved people who continue to operate in the same mindsets, belief systems, and habits that allowed the curse in the first place. Thats where I have the problem. YES we have been redeemed. Now I must WALK in the Liberty in which Christ has made me free.. If I dont walk in it.. then I can come under a curse again. If I dont walk in the Spirit and I continue to fulfill the lusts of the flesh then I open the door for the curse... If I am not transformed by the renewing of my mind I can open the door again.. If I dont let this mind be in me which was also in Christ Jesus I can open the door again.. There is responsibility on OUR part and I believe thats what needs to be conveyed. We have a responsibility as saints to do what is right and to grow and mature to keep the favor of the Lord abounding in our lives. We have no problem with the concept of generational blessings.. So we should have a working understanding of what has been termed generational curses. Its not so much about DNA its about patterns of living and belief systems that have opened the door to certain demonic influence that impact peoples daily lives. |
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Post by nina on Jul 20, 2006 4:21:18 GMT -5
"There is responsibility on OUR part and I believe thats what needs to be conveyed. We have a responsibility as saints to do what is right and to grow and mature to keep the favor of the Lord abounding in our lives.
We have no problem with the concept of generational blessings.. So we should have a working understanding of what has been termed generational curses. Its not so much about DNA its about patterns of living and belief systems that have opened the door to certain demonic influence that impact peoples daily lives."
I have some questions since the thread is about specifically generational curses.
Shouldn't we make the distinction between certain things, or are we saying that they are one and the same? For exemple, between:
- The sin of Adam and the consequences for the entire "human race"
- Sins which manifested after that, including right after the flood, when the "human race" was reduced to eight individuals
- Is it accurate to say that first there was "THE sin" and then sins?
- Just as an exemple: the sons of Jacob and what happened to the tribe of Benjamin.
Didn't Jacob bless all of his sons? And yet, the tribe of Benjamin came very close to being destroyed completely because of one sin.
Did they stay blessed or was a generational curse introduced? As a whole or individually?
- What is the difference between generational curse and plain - so to speak - sinning? Is there like some kind of domino effect down the line turning the sin of one into a generational curse for all?
- Is a generational curse selective? In the sense that, saved or not, one might be affected and not the other? Or one generation and not the other?
- Does generational curse relate to what Jesus explained about God sowing his seeds and evil sowing his, hence the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness?
and also:
- When Jesus did not allow his mother and brothers to come in, and people were shocked, he explained and started with who is my mother and my brother? The one who does the will of the Father?
Should we conclude from that that there is a spiritual lineage and a natural one and that they might be in conflict sometimes??
- Should one - saved - identify that, indeed, they have a generational curse, how is it canceled, not only in and with this individual but also the next generations?
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