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Post by Beck on May 21, 2007 10:11:16 GMT -5
Okay this is a new on for me.. Have you ever heard of someone getting a divorce from their spouse. They move on with their lives and two years later they decide they want to give things a try again. they go to their pastor and the pastor tells them... "oh its okay if you live together and have sex... in God's eyes you are still married.  So the couple takes the pastor advice, the guy doesnt care because he is getting his, and the woman just doesnt want to lose her man again, so she goes along with it...even though in her spirit she knows they were divorced papers signed, he moved on and was with other woman, she never was with anyone. She feels its fornication... but the pastor/apostle says she is being to deep about it. Is it fornication, or are they still married? |
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Post by stillfocused on May 21, 2007 10:54:14 GMT -5
They are not still married...that's the same line of stuff that people who are living together tell people. They know ain't married and so does everyone else. It's actually a passage scripture taken out of context..and then some.
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Post by giantsdodie on May 21, 2007 11:14:53 GMT -5
Boulderdash... They are divorced and they would need to be remarried again before living together or having sex...
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Post by Beck on May 21, 2007 12:33:53 GMT -5
Boulderdash?  LOL I wont even ask... Yeah I told the couple they are living in sin, and that pastor was off and wrong... |
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Post by nina2 on May 21, 2007 13:57:35 GMT -5
That's beyong wrong: it's ungodly and it puts souls in great danger.
After all the confusion and questions about divorce, etc.. To come up with something like that is just tragic, period.
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Post by anointedteacher on May 21, 2007 14:35:34 GMT -5
It's completely off.... shame on the pastor!!! That's one sin that will go before him in judgement.
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Post by Nikkol on May 21, 2007 16:50:20 GMT -5
Hi everyone!
I think that the answer lies within ones scriptural view of divorce....
If one sees marriage as a life long committment being based on the fact that when a person gets married, what God has joined together, let no man put asunder, then they would still be married....
Side Note: This is also where the debates regarding divorce/remarriage can come into play. If one sees divorce and remarriage while the first spouse is alive as adultery, then being intimate with your spouse (whether the state says you are no longer married) holds no grounds for scripture states that if one divorces that they should be reconciled with their spouse or remain single. (1 Cor 7:11)
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Post by krazeeboi on May 21, 2007 17:05:48 GMT -5
Well, I was taught, and believe, that remarriage is not permissable in eyes of God when the first spouse still lives, and if that one does remarry, that they are living in a state of adultery. While I DO believe that these two are still considered married to each other in God's eyes, having sex while legally divorced would do tremendous damage to their testimony. I would have told them, if I was the pastor, to get legally remarried before they started having sex again.
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Post by Beck on May 22, 2007 5:44:07 GMT -5
Well, I was taught, and believe, that remarriage is not permissable in eyes of God when the first spouse still lives, and if that one does remarry, that they are living in a state of adultery. While I DO believe that these two are still considered married to each other in God's eyes, having sex while legally divorced would do tremendous damage to their testimony. I would have told them, if I was the pastor, to get legally remarried before they started having sex again. What if they remarry the person they divorced??? I Think their covenant was broken when one of them went outside of their marriage covenant. That would make it okay in God's eyes to divorce??? Also I thought that Jesus taught of a proper way to divorce because of some abuse of the rule by the men? |
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Post by Nikkol on May 22, 2007 11:15:53 GMT -5
What if they remarry the person they divorced??? I Think their covenant was broken when one of them went outside of their marriage covenant. That would make it okay in God's eyes to divorce??? Also I thought that Jesus taught of a proper way to divorce because of some abuse of the rule by the men? Actually, divorce was allowed based on fornication. However, it is hrad to really understand the concept since nowadays, engagements can be broken whenever and for whatever reason. However, the only way that engagements could've been broken in that time was if there was unfaithfulness before the marriage. (eg Joseph divorcing Mary although they had not actually gotten married yet). I do think that as the laws of the land change and go further against scripture, there will be a greater stand towards specific things, prayerfully with little "grey areas" |
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Post by Rachel2 on May 22, 2007 11:29:39 GMT -5
What if they remarry the person they divorced??? I Think their covenant was broken when one of them went outside of their marriage covenant. That would make it okay in God's eyes to divorce??? Also I thought that Jesus taught of a proper way to divorce because of some abuse of the rule by the men? I believe this is the scripture in context that you are referring to: Matthew 19:3-12 NKJ Version3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" 4 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." 7 They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" 8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery." It appears that Moses permitted them to divorce their wives because they were so terrible to them, but it was never Jesus' intention for this to happen. It also appears that Jesus does permit divorce on the grounds of Immorality....AND He does allow remarriage in this case. So any way you look at it the pastor who is teaching that it is okay for an ex-married couple to have sex is ABSOLUTELY WRONG! There is nothing in here about being married in the spirit. |
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Post by Rachel2 on May 22, 2007 11:45:59 GMT -5
Well, I was taught, and believe, that remarriage is not permissable in eyes of God when the first spouse still lives, and if that one does remarry, that they are living in a state of adultery. So, is this why God hasn't sent my new hus...band yet, because my ex unsaved husband who cheated on me and then deserted me is still alive? ahahahaha. I just couldn't resist Krazee. ;D ;D The scripture says: Matthew 19:3-12 - NAS Version[Verse 8 in Original Greek] 3 {Some} Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, "Is it lawful {for a man} to divorce his wife for any reason at all?" 4 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created {them} from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? 6 "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." 7 They *said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND {her} AWAY?" 8 He *said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. 9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." |
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Post by stillfocused on May 22, 2007 14:10:15 GMT -5
Rachel2..I know you were kidding..but, I know of someone who had that happened to them !! She kept telling the Lord she wanted to get married...and he told she already married...she had never divorced her first husband..when she took care of that..the husband she had been praying for came along !!
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Post by krazeeboi on May 22, 2007 15:15:15 GMT -5
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Post by Nikkol on May 22, 2007 16:03:10 GMT -5
KRAZEE: I have to admit that that is one of the best biblical explanation that I have read. It really broke it down and illuminated the truth in a very thorough, yet simplistic way.... Thanks. ;D |
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LOL I wont even ask...
