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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 23, 2007 18:52:28 GMT -5
I will say this. God doesnt overspiritualize anything. We need to seek God about our mates. We need to seek Gid about His vision for our marriages. And we need to DIE DIE DIE to self. I cant speak for your friends and whether they heard God or not but GOD is never wrong.
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 23, 2007 20:11:15 GMT -5
you know what I hare about this crap? It casts a bad view on the Body of Christ as a whole, and creates separation between men and women, makes people pick sides and COMPLETELY ignores the MILLIONS of men of God who are good husbands, fathers, brothers, friends. church leaders, and excellent representatives of the Lord Jesus Christ in their communities. And that is my 5 minute rant. I absolutely agree. As far as the "overspiritualization" of marriage goes, God doesn't do that but man does. How many prophelies have gone out to people regarding their future mate or marriage situation that turned out to be nothing but a big lie? We have messed up a whole lot of people's lives based on unbiblical expectations and notions regarding marriage (and divorce, which is a whole 'NOTHER discussion), and blood is on a lot of so-called leaders' hands. A friend and I were discussing this situation not too long ago, and he says that he's not even going to pray about the situation because as far as he's concerned, Bynum is a false prophet(ess) anyway and they are both in second marriages (which he, as do I, believes is adultery as long as the first spouse lives). |
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 23, 2007 21:08:55 GMT -5
I am not going to even touch the false prophetess thing. However I do question a lot of the divorce and remarriage that occurs in Christendom.
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 23, 2007 21:12:49 GMT -5
KRAZEE.... Right on point.... So many of this could've been avoided had she.......know what I mean? Yet, you speak about it and people want to crucify you.....
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 23, 2007 21:25:34 GMT -5
I don't think we've ever seen a high-profile figure in Christendom go through as dramatic an evolution in such a short period of time as Juanita, and that's what is mind-boggling about a lot of this. Also, in that short period of time when she "blew up" (so to speak) after the "No More Sheets" message, she came from practically nothing in terms of her financial situation and she was pretty ambiguous. So you go to "Christian superstardom" that quick, and you know folks have got to be analyzing your every move. I guess that's why a lot of us are surprised by the details of what's happened here, but not necessarily the situation itself.
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 23, 2007 21:27:58 GMT -5
So true.... like I've said before it's the fact that her gifting outweighed her character......
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Post by kitty on Aug 23, 2007 21:57:34 GMT -5
Wow...
Wouldn't do store front churches again. I've got to shake my head on that one. I attend a store front church. And I have been a part of this particular ministry for years before they ever have a building... We were meeting in hotels and renting time in other churches.
I am truly offended by her statement. But a person's true heart is bound to come out!
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 23, 2007 21:57:49 GMT -5
So true.... like I've said before it's the fact that her gifting outweighed her character...... All the sudden the woman is being condemn because she was attacked by her husband.... many Christian woman are being abuse by their saved spouse, who never been marriy before and did all the so called right thing. You have nothing on her character except she got hit by her husband. People get marry by chance, you don't know person you are marrying are capable of doing. I hate these false prophet and prophetess labeling. It is not of God... if she not false, do the person who doing the name calling think he/she is going to get into God's Kingdom with that unrepented sin.. falsely accusing, labeling and cursing one of His children. We don't know her relationship with God or how God see the situation. Things happen, ppl go through their wilderness, either by making bad decision or God send a strom.... What do we as believers, throw rocks or should we pray for our brother and sister in Christ. AT |
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 23, 2007 22:02:48 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with condemnation.... actually my comment wasn't solely based on this most recent incident.......that was only maybe 5% of my statement made.
KITTY: So true.... but it goes to say that what's in you will come out...... if you give a person enough time, you'll know what's in their heart.... for out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks
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Post by krazeeboi on Aug 24, 2007 0:19:33 GMT -5
AT, you are wrong when you say that calling a prophet or prophetess false is not of God. We are admonished to judge prophecy and try the spirits. Jesus tells one of the seven churches of Asia Minor that they have tried those who call themselves apostles and discover that they are false. This doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with my friend, but false prophets are out there, and I'm not talking about the Jim Jones, David Koresh obvious types either. And the fact is that she has made some public "prophetic" statements that have been quite questionable; the one that comes to mind is one she said during one of TBN's telethons.
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Post by giantsdodie on Aug 24, 2007 8:10:23 GMT -5
Just a note. Gifting almost ALWAYS outweighs character. That why we mature along the way.
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 24, 2007 8:39:03 GMT -5
Televangelist Juanita Bynum's husband turns self in to police
Associated Press - August 24, 2007 9:04 AM ET
ATLANTA (AP) - The minister husband of televangelist Juanite Bynum turned himself in today to face charges that he beat and bruised her during a confrontation outside an Atlanta hotel.
Thomas Weeks the Third -- known to his followers as Bishop Weeks -- was accompanied by his lawyer when he surrendered this morning at the Fulton County Jail. Atlanta Police spokesman James Polite says Weeks is expected to be released on bail after he is photographed and fingerprinted.
Atlanta police say the minister faces charges of aggravated assault and terroristic threats following a confrontation in which he left his estranged wife badly bruised.
The struggle happened early yesterday in the parking lot of the Renaissance Concourse Hotel near Atlanta's airport. Police say a hotel bellman pulled Weeks off Bynum.
Officer Ronald Campbell says the two were talking about a reconciliation and got into an argument.
Bynum said in a statement released yesterday by her publicist that she is recovering from her injuries and resting well.
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Post by anointedteacher on Aug 24, 2007 9:14:15 GMT -5
AT, you are wrong when you say that calling a prophet or prophetess false is not of God. We are admonished to judge prophecy and try the spirits. Jesus tells one of the seven churches of Asia Minor that they have tried those who call themselves apostles and discover that they are false. This doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with my friend, but false prophets are out there, and I'm not talking about the Jim Jones, David Koresh obvious types either. And the fact is that she has made some public "prophetic" statements that have been quite questionable; the one that comes to mind is one she said during one of TBN's telethons. No, I am not wrong, you could be wrong... You have to know for a fact that a person is a false prophet/ess and not assume. Be fore I label a person as a false prophet or false teacher, I want to know for sure. All false prophets and teachers are in the same category as Jim Jones and David Koresh, there no big are little false. Before I throw the title False on a person, I want to know what God have to say about them, because I don't want to be judged by Him for cursing one of His children. As far as some of her prophecies being questionable.... many prophesies that I came cross appear to be questionable and teaching. God dealt with me that He didn't give anyone 100% and till working on that individual, no matter how big their name. Sometime these prophets (everybody are not a prophet) prophesy from their flesh, and not always from the Spirit of God, but God have not put them in the false category. He is merciful, they need some maturing in the things of God. They are human and fallible and just like we are grow daily they are also growing daily. Until God reject them, I can not label them. I don't know JBW enough to judge her character. I didn't judge her character to be good or bad. What I do know that the things we go through are not always base on our character. Sometime God send a storm, we make poor decision, or it is one of those cycle in life that we must go through. I don't know where she stand, but I do know and believe she is hurting and need our prayer and not a stone throw at her or our judgment. AT I |
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Post by kitty on Aug 24, 2007 9:17:01 GMT -5
Hello Guys,
This situation has made me ponder a question I have been think about off and on for years. Now i think Juanita has had a powerful message for single women for years... I'm sure that Bishop Weeks has had some positive impact as well before becoming married to Juanita. So let's just say that before they joined together both of them have positive positions in ministry.
Now I know that they "claim" that God brought them together... But is it possible that God didn't have a hand in them deciding to get married? Is it possible that they were never meant to have a joint ministry? Especially one that was focused on marriage? Is it more likely that they got together based on their free will in the first place?
The reason I ask is because their marriage doesn't look like what I would expect of a union created by God. And look what the results have been... A lot of damage, not just to themselves but to the body of Christ. I mean seriously... If these two claim that God supernaturally placed them together... then what kind of message will that send to others about marriage?
Will it help for other Christians to believe that God wants to to be in situations that are harmful? And yes... I too was one of the people who questioned the validity of their marriage in the first place. For example... I do believe that Juanita's husband was cheating on her. But what about Weeks' exwife? Did she commit adultry? or did he claim that she just walked away as an unbeliever?
Then there was that strangeness about when their engagement was revealed. During that time we were all still about on the JBM message board. I recall the moderators going through great lengths to remove any post that stated her involvement with Weeks. Stating that it was rumors... when it ended up being the truth.
Why? Could it have been possible that Weeks divorce wasn't final before he and Juanita got involved?
Now i know many people will say that maybe these aren't questions that we should discuss. But I personally feel compelled to do so because they have declared that they were put together by God and not themselves. When those are not Christian come and ask about this... What should I say?
So tell me Guys... Do you think they were really placed together by God?
Kitty
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