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Post by ybrown on Mar 20, 2008 8:57:25 GMT -5
I went to sleep and woke up with this all in my spirit, on my heart and on my mind and I see that it is the subject of a devotional.
The Word of God is the Word of God.
The scriptures are the scriptures.
They are two separate entities, with two distinct purposes.
Scripture spells this out. I know that usually the two are used interchangeably and it is done innocently, but that still does not make it correct. It does matter.
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Post by keita on Mar 20, 2008 9:01:46 GMT -5
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
It matters VERY MUCH.
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Post by kitty on Mar 20, 2008 9:10:15 GMT -5
YBrown,
Are you refering to the differences as being Logos verse Rhema? One being the written word of God verse an audible, vision/dream, prophet that God uses to give us a "word" ?
Kitty
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Post by livinganewlife on Mar 20, 2008 9:17:42 GMT -5
I went to sleep and woke up with this all in my spirit, on my heart and on my mind and I see that it is the subject of a devotional. The Word of God is the Word of God. The scriptures are the scriptures. They are two separate entities, with two distinct purposes. Scripture spells this out. I know that usually the two are used interchangeably and it is done innocently, but that still does not make it correct. It does matter. I'm intrigued please elaborate before I respond..... |
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Post by ybrown on Mar 20, 2008 9:35:12 GMT -5
YBrown, Are you refering to the differences as being Logos verse Rhema? One being the written word of God verse an audible, vision/dream, prophet that God uses to give us a "word" ? Kitty The Word is Jesus Christ. In John 5:39 Jesus told the Pharisees that they diligently search the scriptures (graphe) for in them, in searching them, they think they have eternal life. Then He tells them that the scriptures testify of me. He makes the distinction between searching the scriptures and having life. Are they the same thing? The Scriptures are a testament and the Revelation of Jesus Christ. We’re dealing with three things: logos, rhema and graphe. Jesus (logos), the spirit of the word - Holy Spirit - maybe (rhema) and the scriptures (graphe). |
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Post by anointed on Mar 20, 2008 10:00:56 GMT -5
The bible says that every scripture is God-breathed. So while understanding that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, is it erroneous to call the God-breathed scriptures the word of God, if not The Word of God?
Don't they all fall in harmony, therefore, making the issue not scriptures, which ultimately is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, but ones perception of the scriptures?
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Post by ybrown on Mar 20, 2008 10:52:48 GMT -5
The bible says that every scripture is God-breathed. So while understanding that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, is it erroneous to call the God-breathed scriptures the word of God, if not The Word of God? I'm certainly not disputing that the scriptures are God-breathed and that they are useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that we may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Absolutely, 100% agree, scripture says it. This is one of the things that I'm trying to say: Anybody, absolutely anyone on earth, can pick up a bible and declare, "I'm going to do everything it says in this book." My question is, do they now possess life? Is something missing? Sure, they have the word and can probably perform the word if they try really, really hard, but do they have The Word? Do they have life? Anointed, yes, I believe they are in total harmony and at no point will they contradict. If someone read The Purpose Driven Life, does that mean they know Rick Warren? My entire purpose for starting this thread is to remind people that just because we read the book does not mean that we know the author. Who has not been told that the only way to know God or have a relationship with Him is to read the bible? Who has not has this drilled in their heads: God/Jesus = the bible Let's not substitute the Author for His work. Each plays a role in our lives. |
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Post by anointed on Mar 20, 2008 11:05:01 GMT -5
So you really can't experience the joy of having the word of God unless you have the Word of God.
I can feel that!
Oh, I knew you would come with something profound.
I was sharing with someone the other day when you said we really haven't grasp NT theology if we haven't got a revelation of the love walk (for that is the central focus of that theology). Classic!
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 20, 2008 11:12:07 GMT -5
The life is Jesus Christ..because when you accept the work of Christ..you accept the work of the Word.
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Post by anointedteacher on Mar 20, 2008 11:31:03 GMT -5
The bible says that every scripture is God-breathed. So while understanding that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, is it erroneous to call the God-breathed scriptures the word of God, if not The Word of God? I'm certainly not disputing that the scriptures are God-breathed and that they are useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that we may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Absolutely, 100% agree, scripture says it. This is one of the things that I'm trying to say: Anybody, absolutely anyone on earth, can pick up a bible and declare, "I'm going to do everything it says in this book." My question is, do they now possess life? Is something missing? Sure, they have the word and can probably perform the word if they try really, really hard, but do they have The Word? Do they have life? Anointed, yes, I believe they are in total harmony and at no point will they contradict. If someone read The Purpose Driven Life, does that mean they know Rick Warren? My entire purpose for starting this thread is to remind people that just because we read the book does not mean that we know the author. Who has not been told that the only way to know God or have a relationship with Him is to read the bible? Who has not has this drilled in their heads: God/Jesus = the bible Let's not substitute the Author for His work. Each plays a role in our lives. The devil and his followers know the scriptures.... I met some muslim who know the scriture (Logo).... they did not know Jesus, I knew of him, but they didn't know him or had a relationship with the Lord. |
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Post by keita on Mar 20, 2008 11:42:51 GMT -5
I'm "feeling" Paul's words in the entirety of 2 Corinthians chapter 3, and especially verse 6:
"...for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."
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Post by ybrown on Mar 20, 2008 11:55:53 GMT -5
So you really can't experience the joy of having the word of God unless you have the Word of God.I can feel that! I feel that, too! Thank you for putting it like that. Rhema is flowing.... |
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Post by ybrown on Mar 20, 2008 12:15:43 GMT -5
The life is Jesus Christ..because when you accept the work of Christ..you accept the work of the Word. Lord, yes! I'm "feeling" Paul's words in the entirety of 2 Corinthians chapter 3, and especially verse 6: "...for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."That's it!  While Jesus was explaining to His disciples about the Bread of Life, He told them " It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words (rhema) that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63) We can be reading the bible and suddenly a verse will come alive or a passage will just jump off the page. That's The Word, speaking the word, producing rhema word. In other words, it's Jesus telling us about Himself, showing Himself real in our lives. That's what He does. Otherwise, the word alone is just words. |
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Post by ybrown on Mar 20, 2008 12:16:52 GMT -5
I'm certainly not disputing that the scriptures are God-breathed and that they are useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that we may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Absolutely, 100% agree, scripture says it. This is one of the things that I'm trying to say: Anybody, absolutely anyone on earth, can pick up a bible and declare, "I'm going to do everything it says in this book." My question is, do they now possess life? Is something missing? Sure, they have the word and can probably perform the word if they try really, really hard, but do they have The Word? Do they have life? Anointed, yes, I believe they are in total harmony and at no point will they contradict. If someone read The Purpose Driven Life, does that mean they know Rick Warren? My entire purpose for starting this thread is to remind people that just because we read the book does not mean that we know the author. Who has not been told that the only way to know God or have a relationship with Him is to read the bible? Who has not has this drilled in their heads: God/Jesus = the bible Let's not substitute the Author for His work. Each plays a role in our lives. The devil and his followers know the scriptures.... I met some muslim who know the scriture (Logo).... they did not know Jesus, I knew of him, but they didn't know him or had a relationship with the Lord. And sometimes they know it better than we do...and yet they have nothing. |
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Post by stillfocused on Mar 20, 2008 12:18:57 GMT -5
Ya'll better stop !!  I am _or_ wanting to jump out the chair and run around the building !! Glory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I am _or_ wanting to jump out the chair and run around the building !!