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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 8, 2008 5:04:46 GMT -5
Has anyone read The Bait of Satan by John Bevere? If so, what are your thoughts?
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Post by Beulah5 on Apr 8, 2008 5:17:19 GMT -5
Fantastic book i have even done the group study on it and every few years i revisit the subject again. It is really a word from the lord to set us free since as we know offence is one of the sins that we are prone to on a daily basis.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 8, 2008 5:35:32 GMT -5
From time to time I go back and read this book because I always want to make sure that I am not walking around in offense. I have found that each time I've read, I have found another area in which I was walking in offense. That God for deliverance through the written word of his authors!
I have drawn the conclusion that many people walk around "wounded, leaking and unhealed" is because they will not let go of the offense and therefore they continue to view things through the eyes of that offense.
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Post by zelica on Apr 8, 2008 7:09:28 GMT -5
where can I get the book it sounds interesting ;D
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Post by anointed on Apr 8, 2008 7:38:36 GMT -5
Yesterday I was thinking to myself, "Why don't many come to church or say they will never step foot in one again?" Immediately, this topic came to mind. Simply, many people cling to the spirit of offense. I think some times the problem isn't others as much as ourselves. But offense magnifies what others are doing while not provoking us to look within. On the other hand, some offense are justifiable but yet we must make a choice not to walk in that offense. Bevere is one of my favorite authors and Bait of Satan is a good read.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 8, 2008 9:00:36 GMT -5
where can I get the book it sounds interesting ;D At almost any Christian bookstore or Amazon.com |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 8, 2008 9:02:54 GMT -5
Yesterday I was thinking to myself, "Why don't many come to church or say they will never step foot in one again?" Immediately, this topic came to mind. Simply, many people cling to the spirit of offense. I think some times the problem isn't others as much as ourselves. But offense magnifies what others are doing while not provoking us to look within. On the other hand, some offense are justifiable but yet we must make a choice not to walk in that offense. Bevere is one of my favorite authors and Bait of Satan is a good read. Actually sis, if one is walking in offense then the problem is ALWAYS within them for we are not to walk in offense no matter how valid the offense may be. The Word of God says that it is impossible for offenses not to come...however, the Word also speaks of forgiveness. Therefore, if one continues to walk in offense, then one has not forgiven in that area. The Lord will deal with the offender, however it is our responsibility to forgive to allow healing to begin. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 8, 2008 9:05:34 GMT -5
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Post by anointed on Apr 8, 2008 9:17:08 GMT -5
Actually sis, if one is walking in offense then the problem is ALWAYS within them for we are not to walk in offense no matter how valid the offense may be. Hmmmmmm. Okay I think what I intended to write didn't match what was actually conveyed. So I'll clarify at a later time. This is going to be a good discussion. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 8, 2008 11:56:34 GMT -5
Actually sis, if one is walking in offense then the problem is ALWAYS within them for we are not to walk in offense no matter how valid the offense may be. Hmmmmmm. Okay I think what I intended to write didn't match what was actually conveyed. So I'll clarify at a later time. This is going to be a good discussion. I believe you conveyed it pretty well. I wasn't correcting you I was agreeing with you and adding to the point that you already made. (maybe I should not have used the quote feature.) |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 8, 2008 12:50:32 GMT -5
I have read my so much that the cover is destroyed. Very good book. I know for me the spirit of offense is very real. Yet, I believe for me I know that to hold an offense is not right; I find that many who offend feel that you are obligated to accept because the word said that offense will come..but, they often forgot this part...woe, to the one through the offense comes.
The wounding goes bigger than the offense...it cuts the spirit. And I know many people who love the Lord and I mean love the Lord..who will not step food in a church because of offense and those committing seeing nothing with what they have done..shift the blame without their part in the mess. Offense is twofold..yet, often it is made in one part..almost like the person deserves what happened to them//
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Post by kitty on Apr 8, 2008 14:11:51 GMT -5
I haven't read this book but I have read another book by John Bevere called "This said the Lord?" I found it to be excellent. I think he is a great Christian author
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 8, 2008 14:24:18 GMT -5
I haven't read this book either.
The article was good. There are some areas to reason with, as the article did tend to deal with betrayal or offense from an "Authoritive" to lay member stand point.
I think one thing that stood out to me, and from my own personal experience..After experiencing an offence and betrayal..I didn't really need to do an "eye for an eye" for that emotion of hate, to take root.
If we did a poll, people are offended by a vast numerous things, but its the "WHO" which causes folks to remain in an offended state.
If someone who I didn't know, or didn't particularly care about said something about me..I wouldn't be AS offended, if it was somebody who I knew, and had established a relationship with.
The reason why I stated "as offended" is because..Even though the individual didn't know me, I would still take on the stance that..You don't even know me, to say that about me, and I am offended by those words, because its a defamation of my character, but I'd eventually let that go, and be about my business.
But if the offender was one close and tender to the heart thats another story.
I believe one of the real problem with "Offenses" is that. We feel we have the right to hold on to them. This person wronged me, so its my right to be angry. I don't need to forgive them until they apologize. And thats where the "offense" turns into wounds, then bitterness and hatred has taken root.
I don't know about you, but I almost always had to forgive the person, before they even uttered an apology, and 9 times out of 10...those individuals WILL NOT apologize.
I don't think people want to walk around in offense, but because they have built walls to protect themselves from being hurt by others, it justs there. That mentality says..I'll never be hurt again, I'll cut them loose before they have a chance to hurt me. etc...etc..
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Post by anointed on Apr 8, 2008 14:57:04 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm. Okay I think what I intended to write didn't match what was actually conveyed. So I'll clarify at a later time. This is going to be a good discussion. I believe you conveyed it pretty well. I wasn't correcting you I was agreeing with you and adding to the point that you already made. (maybe I should not have used the quote feature.) I agree with you as well but as I was reading what you wrote, some more stuff jumped out at me to add to more effectively convey in this post. I will share in a bit though. I guess where I'm going (to keep in mind) is: Is there a difference between "being offended" and "walking in offense?" IMO, being offended is actually "being real" about how you feel in that moment but that can occur without walking in offense which I believe is clinging to the offense, which in turn harbors bitterness, resentment, anger, unforgiveness, etc. I think the cause of "being offended" does not always lie in the person offended. People can truly hurt you. However, walking in offense does lie within the person offended (as you stated ASWSY). I believe "to walk" connotes a lifestyle. I never want to live a lifestyle of offense toward others. |
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Post by anointed on Apr 8, 2008 15:11:06 GMT -5
I believe one of the real problem with "Offenses" is that. We feel we have the right to hold on to them. This person wronged me, so its my right to be angry. I don't need to forgive them until they apologize. And thats where the "offense" turns into wounds, then bitterness and hatred has taken root. This is true. I don't think people want to walk around in offense, but because they have built walls to protect themselves from being hurt by others, it justs there. That mentality says..I'll never be hurt again, I'll cut them loose before they have a chance to hurt me. etc...etc.. So true. Offense can cause us to miss out on opportunities and the appointed season of the Lord if we're not careful (see this ties in with "Missing God's Timing" post). Our attempt to guard from hurt can also be out barrier to miss what may beneficial for our lives. |
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