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Post by Nikkol on Apr 18, 2006 14:20:39 GMT -5
I don't think that anyone is condemning someone for having an abortion. (For there is no condemnation to those who are walking in the spirit and not the flesh) Rather that abortion should not be an option for a believer. This is based on the fact that abortion is the murdering of a child. I think that some people may feel as though they have no other option.... but in all actuality, they do.
I didn't recall any "rocks" being thrown at those who have had abortions (at least not in the thread).... at the same time, you would hope that even as fornication, adultery would not be named about Christians that abortion wouldn't be named amongst them either.
Of course one can't change the past and we should be there to help a woman who has gone through an abortion. At the same time, the church should take a stand against abortion and let those in the congregation know that abortion is wrong. Whether the person chooses to agree or take heed or not is of course their choice. This doesn't mean that the individual will not have to go through church discipline (which is stated in scripture.) However this discipline is towards anyone who chooses to go contrary to the Word of God. This doesn't change the fact that they love the individual. However, just as when/if our children do something and there is discipline around it, the same is in the church
I think that we probably all know at least one person that has had an abortion(s). We shouldn't love them any less. This doesn't mean that the choice of having a baby is the easiest. And depending on the situation, it is easier to have an abortion rather than dealing with raising a child. But life is full of decisions and the right decision isn't always the most convenient.
Side Note: Granted some may not be able to see past what you've done.... but that just shows you (general) what type of person they really are. I just pray that we (me included) can get to the place that even if people say "x, y or z" if I can make an impact on one person's life, it makes it all worth it.
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 18, 2006 15:01:21 GMT -5
I don't think anyone that has had an abortion continues living a carefree life. Oftentimes, we don't see the pain it causes them. I think we speak A LOT of things that we really don't know. Some people may not have any other options... I had a friend that recently terminated a pregnancy and she is still dealing with the guilt... that is something that only GOD is going to be able to heal her from, but she was in a situation that she couldn't see herself out of... and it wasn't like she was out just having sex.... the child was from her marriage, but if you don't understand a persons state of mind when they are dealing with things, it is so easy for us to just condemn them.... I don't agree with abortion, but that is my belief and as much as I tried to convince her otherwise, it was still her decision and one that she will have to live with for the rest of her life...so we can say what we will or will not do in any given situation, but sometimes we just don't know.... I have a song that you can give your friend. The one who terminated the pregnancy. While I myself have never had an abortion, even listening to this song at times because i love the cd overall, can bring a word a comfort to an individual who has. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 18, 2006 15:20:00 GMT -5
MissKay,
I too can understand why one does not want to "come out" with some things because of judgmental Christians! However, let's look at how many people they will help by refusing to give into the thoughts and comments of man and speak what the Lord has healed them of.
I have had an abortion. I have had many lesbian relationships. I was addicted to pornography, masturbation and had a very promiscuous sexual life. I too was shamed, full of fear, judged by many many "Christians", labeled as one who would "never change" etc. etc. etc. I have had people "shy" away from me once they heard what I USED TO do. They act this way because I am a representative of what they themselves wish to be and that is "FORGIVEN AND SET FREE"!
Yet, I continue to give my testimony every chance that I get. I continue to tell the goodness of what the Lord has done. My past life is my testimony, my ministry! Healing is there but you have to first come out of the box, and allow nobody to put you back there.
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Post by MsKayLander on Apr 18, 2006 15:35:13 GMT -5
ASWSOY - TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!! I hear you, but some folks just ain't ready for everybodies testimony....  I remember when I was telling folks some of the stuff I used to do... you know what the comment was.... Lord, that's why you are so crazy.... and then people started changing... they didn't want me ministering to their teens... some, not all were like that... believe you me, I will shout it from the hilltops.... ;D everybody has not reached the point where they can be transparent to allow GOD's light to shine through... But THANK GOD I know someone else who allows HIS LIGHT to shine through!!!!! ;D |
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Post by MsKayLander on Apr 18, 2006 15:39:36 GMT -5
I don't think anyone that has had an abortion continues living a carefree life. Oftentimes, we don't see the pain it causes them. I think we speak A LOT of things that we really don't know. Some people may not have any other options... I had a friend that recently terminated a pregnancy and she is still dealing with the guilt... that is something that only GOD is going to be able to heal her from, but she was in a situation that she couldn't see herself out of... and it wasn't like she was out just having sex.... the child was from her marriage, but if you don't understand a persons state of mind when they are dealing with things, it is so easy for us to just condemn them.... I don't agree with abortion, but that is my belief and as much as I tried to convince her otherwise, it was still her decision and one that she will have to live with for the rest of her life...so we can say what we will or will not do in any given situation, but sometimes we just don't know.... I have a song that you can give your friend. The one who terminated the pregnancy. While I myself have never had an abortion, even listening to this song at times because i love the cd overall, can bring a word a comfort to an individual who has. Please let me know... It's really hard for her sometimes... it's more difficult for me because I've never experienced a pregnancy to understand her loss and how she felt making the decision... |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 18, 2006 16:01:57 GMT -5
MissKay,
I may have some information for your friend but I don't know how I can get it to you (or her).
PM or email me - repairingthebreach@msn.com. I may be able to get a book for you that may help her a great deal or if you can at least give me the city & state she lives in I may be able to "refer" some help.
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Post by MsKayLander on Apr 18, 2006 16:07:59 GMT -5
ASWSOY - sent you an email.... Thanks....  |
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 18, 2006 16:21:19 GMT -5
Amen! Hallelujah!! What a Mighty God He is! "big cyber hug to ASWSOY"
And don't ever stop telling it! You will be a blessings to many individuals that cross your path.
-I have the lyrics to the song, If anybody wants them just let me know.
I was 17 when i had my oldest. I did consider having an abortion because of the thought of having a child would mess up my future plans. I was scheduled to have an abortion, I was in the clinic, the nurse called me an my mother into the room, she told me that they wanted to verify that i was pregnant and if so how many weeks. When she did the ultrasound I was just over 4 mths. She then stated..that changes things and walked out the room. She came back, told my mother that because i was over 4mths it would be a 3 day precedure and and to go home think about it. and if we wanted to proceed they could refer me to another doctor.
After we got home, my dad sat me down at the kitchen table, and ask me. Why don't you want to have this baby. I stated cause i don't, He then asked again why? I remember i started crying and just shook my head. He said is it because of the father. I dried my eyes real fast and said "No, with an attitude". He stated then why. Are you scared you won't be able to do all the things you want to do, like go to college, and etc. He responded You can still do all those things, even with a child. And thats why we are here, to help.
I appreciated my father so much that day. because it detoured me from make a mistake. I did accomplish everything that i set out to do, with a child/ and a husband.
I know of many individuals who have had abortions, It is a choice they make for whatever reason. Some are forced by parents to have abortions. Thank God that wasn't my story.
Even with this song. I can relate to the song, because..It could have been me. But thank God it wasn't me. It wasn't my story.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 19, 2006 10:19:40 GMT -5
misskay,
I never received the email.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Aug 1, 2006 13:17:57 GMT -5
Please keep me in prayer. I have become a Regional Coordinator for the Silent No More Awareness Campaign in my area (Greenville, SC). Pray that I am used effectively according to His will for my life. Thanks! |
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Post by Jasmine on Aug 1, 2006 14:33:45 GMT -5
Congratulations. You will be effective Sis. God has designed and Designated this position just for you!
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Post by MsKayLander on Aug 1, 2006 14:37:23 GMT -5
I agree with Jasmine.... this, I believe, is the will of GOD for you as you will be an effective witness.
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Post by keita on Aug 1, 2006 15:08:07 GMT -5
Praise God!
Lead on with the Light, ASWSOY!
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 23, 2008 12:47:03 GMT -5
BUMP
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 23, 2008 13:25:46 GMT -5
wow just re-reading brought tears to my eyes.
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I remember when I was telling folks some of the stuff I used to do... you know what the comment was.... Lord, that's why you are so crazy.... and then people started changing... they didn't want me ministering to their teens... some, not all were like that... believe you me, I will shout it from the hilltops.... ;D everybody has not reached the point where they can be transparent to allow GOD's light to shine through...