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Post by keita on Aug 6, 2005 15:44:22 GMT -5
Peace and Blessings, My Sisters!
God has impressed upon my spirit that although laws, lawmakers, and men can and most certainly do have their place in stopping abortion, it always was, is and indeed must be women themselves who will end it. Perhaps some of that work will begin by fruitful conversation among sisters in Christ, which is what I pray we will have here.
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Post by keita on Aug 6, 2005 16:00:50 GMT -5
Women Hurt by Abortion Speak Out About Supreme Court NominationTo: State Desk Contact: Dianne Donaudy, Georgia State Leader for Operation Outcry, 706-652-2603 News Advisory, July 18 /Christian Wire Service/ -- Women of Operation Outcry call on President Bush and the Senate to select a justice who is willing to look at facts and evidence unavailable in 1973 and to examine the evidence on how abortion affects women and families. "There is not one aspect of my life that has not been affected by my abortion" said Dianne Donaudy, Georgia State Leader for Operation Outcry. "We must have a nominee who believes in the ' Rule of Law,'" she said. Operation Outcry represents over one thousand women whose affidavits, testifying to the way abortion damaged their lives, have been filed with the U.S. Supreme Court. These affidavits were also filed with the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee during a recent hearing on the consequences of legal abortion. Norma McCorvey, the former "Roe" and Sandra Cano, the former "Doe" testified before this committee that they were manipulated to achieve the political agenda of their attorneys and that their cases were based on fraud. In her testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee Sandra Cano stated, "I am angry. I feel like my identity has been stolen and put on this case without my knowledge and against my wishes. How dare they use my name! One of the Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court said during oral arguments, 'What does it matter if she is real or not.' Well I am real and it does matter. I was in court under a false name and lies. …Doe v Bolton is based on a lie and deceit. It needs to be retried or overturned. … Abortion is wrong. I love children. I would never harm a child yet because of this case I bear the guilt of over 46 million children being killed. The Court is also guilty." "Sandra Cano is a Georgia native. The women of Operation Outcry stand with her as her case moves through the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta. As a woman who has suffered many years from my 'choice' to have an abortion I applaud her and love her," said Donaudy. Abortion is the key battleground for the President's nomination to fill the vacancy on the U.S. Supreme Court. We implore the President and the U.S. Senate to select a justice who will have the courage to revisit Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton . The court needs to hear of the devastation to women that that has been caused by their 1973 decision. It is time for America to know the truth about abortion and to hear from women who have reaped the consequences of killing their own children. Operation Outcry is the legal effort of The Justice Foundation to reverse Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton www.operationoutcry.org/
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Post by ybrown on Aug 6, 2005 17:34:43 GMT -5
Abortion is a human disaster, for all races, but I want to bring particular attention to what it does to the Black community.
The following paragraph is from STOPP's (STOPP is a Christian organization oppossing Planned Parenthood) essay "Why We Oppose Planned Parenthood":
Planned Parenthood is not a benevolent organization trying to strengthen women's rights. It is a cold, calculating group intent on spreading the Humanist religion, luring our children into their web of premarital sex and unlimited abortions, reducing the population of minorities in particula and filling its coffers with the profits from sales of birth control devices.
In most states, PP assigns teens a “code name” so that PP can call the girls at home and pretend to be a girlfriend. (Recently, the code names in Springfield, IL; Chicago, IL; and Kingston, NY; were Heather, Nancy and Lucy, respectively.)
Planned Parenthood does not view teenage sex as wrong. PP is upset only if sex results in “unwanted” births. Planned Parenthood’s sex education programs are not about telling children how to avoid sex. They are, rather, designed to indoctrinate our children into what PP calls “responsible sexuality.” By this PP means it is okay for kids to have sex as long as they avoid pregnancy; or if they do get pregnant, have an abortion.
Did you know that the largest abortion provider in this country is Planned Parenthood, with 78% of their clinics in minority communities? Even though Blacks make up only 12% of the population, 35% of the abortions in America are performed on black women.
We're exterminating ourselves. It's still called genocide, even when its self-inflicted. That's why we're the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. Statistics show that if we continuing doing this at this same rate, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant.
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a devout racist who created the "Negro Project" which was designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society. Sanger, let me reiterate, the founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
We sure know how to please.
It is up to women to stop this horrific, unGodly practice, but with over 93% of the abortions in this country, among all races, being performed for casual, social reasons, it may not be ending any time soon.
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Post by virtue77 on Aug 7, 2005 20:49:51 GMT -5
It is up to women to stop this horrific, unGodly practice, but with over 93% of the abortions in this country, among all races, being performed for casual, social reasons, it may not be ending any time soon. So what can we do?? How can we begin to stop this??
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Post by abortion on Aug 12, 2005 11:21:52 GMT -5
The bible doesn't state anything directly about abortion... I think that abortion may be morally wrong... but I do believe that women that have been raped have the right morally and spiritually to have abortions... Period! Think it's wrong? Leave that between that woman and God. Just as we leave all other sins between those individuals and God... We don't have the right to oppose a pregnacy on anyone... And I think many people are mentally ill and sick when they state that small children the ages of 10 or 12 should be forced to cary babies to term if they have been raped. Most often the same people against abortion are also against birth control, whether it be the pill, condoms, or the RU 56 pill given to rape victims. None of that is Godly either... And the same people who have been claiming to be Christian conservatives... will be seeking abortions themselves if Roe vs. Wade is ever overturned, and the end up with 5 or 6 kids that they can't afford then end up prgenant with the 7 or 8th. Because trust me... they won't just stop with abortions... it will go all the way back to making the pill and condoms illegal as well... Check the history books...do a internet search... many so called Christians were against, the condom, the pill and even the epidural and woman given drugs and pain killer for giving birth. They wanted laws against those as well... Bottom line... if you are Chritian... then choose not to have an abortion if you think it is a sin... Other wises...stop trying to determine what is morally right or wrong in the lives of others on something that is not directly adressed by God and the bible... After all God already knows who will be aborted and who will grow up to be a serial killer...
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Post by Nikkol on Aug 12, 2005 12:30:29 GMT -5
abortion - the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus:
Let's see what the WORD says?
Ex 20:13 - Show Context Thou shalt not kill. De 5:17 - Show Context Thou shalt not kill.
Since the scripture tells us NOT to kill, than we have no authority to do so.
Children are a gift from God. We also know that ALL things (this includes good and bad) work together for our good to them that LOVE THE LORD and are the called according to HIS purpose.
Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
For us to know that something is wrong and not say something is wrong. God would not be pleased as we see in the above verse.
Noone is "opposing a pregnancy on someone". However, for us as Christians who know that God is a giver of life to say, well since you're only 10 you should kill/murder this baby is just as wrong. We really have no idea how much pain that really is putting to a child. I read some books on what they do and it's really nasty. Not to mention the children that DIE having abortions.... but of course that tends not to be mentioned too much since nowadays kids can have abortions and their parents not know....
Is that the pill that kills the life (day after pill). Our job/goal should never be to kill children any way we can. With birth control that depends on the person. Some have faith to believe that God will only give them the amount of kids that they are meant to have and therefore don't use anything... at the same time, there are those that use "protection" and still do get pregnant.
There are Christians that don't have epidurals, etc. and there's no porblem with that. Honestily, Roe V Wade should've never been made because the job of the judicial branch is to interpret LAWS and there is no law to interpret regarding KILLING an innocent child. Additionally, there's a difference in choosing not to use things that aren't necessary and outright killing someone..... I don't understand how one could compare the two.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Therfore, we know through his WORD that abortion is wrong. Why, because one has to kill an innocent child. The determinating factor is still the Word of God. Yes, God knows ALL. At the same time, however, that doesn't mean that we should support it because the bible doesn't use the word "abortion"..... their are many "words" that the Bible may not use but we know what the Word says and we must make sure that we stand for the truth... for holiness and not what the world says. For much of what you stated was a very "wordly response" to an issue that is very much so spiritual.... I'll leave with this:
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 9, 2006 13:54:56 GMT -5
BUMP
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 11, 2006 22:37:54 GMT -5
I agree as believers we know that abortion is not right. Women who are having abortions are not having them without much thought and are living a carefree afterwards. Many relive the act each time they see a baby, or see someone pregnant. I find it very hypocritical that many cry against abortion, but, they will not lift a finger to assist someone who feel hopeless; loving the life within them; yet, thinking forward past that day to the future knowing within they will not able to provide them will all they will need. Standing outside with signs crying them murders, etc..yet, no one says: "Come home with me; I will take care of your and unborn child until you get yourself together". I have often wondered if having your tubes ties, getting a hysterectomy, or anything similair would be considered to murder; as the reproductive process of that woman or man is cut short before the way that God has intended has taken place.
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Post by Nikkol on Apr 12, 2006 7:10:24 GMT -5
Some things to share:
1) We know that abortion is wrong. For some (maybe many but haven't read any studies on it) they don't tell people that they are pregnant. Nowadays (especially) they have tests etc. one can take even BEFORE they missed their cycle. You have the "morning after pill" which unless you were with them and knew what happened, you may never know that they took it.
2) I also would like to know the percentage of those that really relive and are sad vs those who do live carefree. There are people that have 3+ abortions and just see it as just a "regular" thing to do. I look at it kind of as how for our children's children or beyond, seeing two men or women together will be seen as normal..... almost as for many nowadays, watching movies where people get shot/murdered is seen for people as normal and doesn't really "prick" anything. The reason I say this was because in my mind, I always thought that there was something inside every woman by which they wanted to have a child of their own..... however, it appears that that isn't always the case.
3) I believe that there are people that are willing to help. There are many that want to be able to be supportive which is what I would say is the reasonable service for a Christian. However, not everyone has a house by which they can bring others in or have the finances to support a person as well as their child. At the same time, there are many programs WIC and welfare to name two of the most poular that are available for people in these situations. At the same time, I don't think that I would call it hypocritical. In a class I took, hypocrisy was seen as doing the right thing with the wrong motive.
4) I also think it would be good to have a study done to know how many people REALLY can't afford kids vs those who think a child will mess up their fun and get in their way and therefore have an abortion.
5) Tubes tied/etc would probably fall under the other question regarding Birth Control. Although I think with those things you actually can't get pregnant and therefore not committing murder. Not to mention that some people have these things done for medical purposes.
6) I also think that the mindset should be different between someone that is saved vs. someone that is unsaved. God has told us that he will supply ALL our need according to His riches in glory. Whether the pregnancy happened in marriage or outside of marriage doesn't change the Word of God.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 14, 2006 3:04:28 GMT -5
I just read an article in Essence magazine..regarding Roe vs Wade. Women who have abortions know that it's wrong; and quite contrary to proper belief that these women are not counseled and told that the fetus is not a living being. Whether we are for abortion or not; the facts of death remain where women will try other alternatives that will result in death. Women have used coat hangers, bleach, and back door abortions to terminate the pregnancy. And this was not too long ago..
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 14, 2006 10:30:05 GMT -5
I just read an article in Essence magazine..regarding Roe vs Wade. Women who have abortions know that it's wrong; and quite contrary to proper belief that these women are not counseled and told that the fetus is not a living being. Whether we are for abortion or not; the facts of death remain where women will try other alternatives that will result in death. Women have used coat hangers, bleach, and back door abortions to terminate the pregnancy. And this was not too long ago.. Robbery is wrong.... People still Rob Murder is wrong .... People still murder Stealing is wrong .... People still steal Illegal Drug is wrong .... People still abuse drug and sell them. Should we make these things legal or make excuses for them because people will still do them? God's Law will not change or bend because women will find away to destroy their pregnancy and murder their babies. AT
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Post by MsKayLander on Apr 14, 2006 12:25:13 GMT -5
I don't think anyone that has had an abortion continues living a carefree life. Oftentimes, we don't see the pain it causes them. I think we speak A LOT of things that we really don't know. Some people may not have any other options... I had a friend that recently terminated a pregnancy and she is still dealing with the guilt... that is something that only GOD is going to be able to heal her from, but she was in a situation that she couldn't see herself out of... and it wasn't like she was out just having sex.... the child was from her marriage, but if you don't understand a persons state of mind when they are dealing with things, it is so easy for us to just condemn them....
I don't agree with abortion, but that is my belief and as much as I tried to convince her otherwise, it was still her decision and one that she will have to live with for the rest of her life...so we can say what we will or will not do in any given situation, but sometimes we just don't know....
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 14, 2006 20:02:49 GMT -5
For me this is mixed bag. Because I know several women who have abortions..who were saved and loving the Lord. MissKayLander thank you for understanding, It is a very hard decision to have an abortion..does one want to the child..yes, but, what are the circumstances surrounding the choice. Yes, many still live with the torment, the condemnation, and yes, the heartache that goes along with losing a child. So, many times we stand and throw rocks, stones, and boulders, yet, we never stop to ask God what can we to prepare our hearts for those who are hurting, and who have had abortions. Ladies, it's not good little girls that will be walking inour church doors, yet, it hurting bleeding women andl little girls who are in need of seeing Jesus. We don't have to look very far to get the answers that we see; as many of these womn sit in our pews holding onto a secret that many vowed they would take to their graves. It's always being said that we go through the things we do; to train and prepare us for ministry...what makes this any different that the man who kills his best friend and after 7 yrs in prison he is redeemed and begins to share his life with others in the hope that they won't take the path he did and that find peace within through a newfound relationship with Jesus Christ.
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Apr 18, 2006 12:54:01 GMT -5
Yes, many women are holding onto this secret but the "vow" that they make only places them in a prison - bondage. Am I saying to go on the rooftops and tell all - No, I am not but what I am saying is that release will set one free. If someone feels that they must keep what they have done a secret then they are also still living in shame and fear of what others may say, do and/or think.
Whom the Son sets free, is free indeed! Let's learn to walk in the TRUTH of God's Word!
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Post by MsKayLander on Apr 18, 2006 13:08:34 GMT -5
ASWSOY - I can understand your point, but we have too many people that will not look at that situation without condemning them still that is why so many continue to hold onto the pain and the secret.
Some "Christians" are SO JUDGMENTAL... I keep those things that I have experienced out of certain circles because so folks can't see beyond what you used to be and what you used to do...
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