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Post by anointed on Apr 24, 2008 12:07:52 GMT -5
I agree AT. LOL! But I will say this in fairness... I feel this whole fiasco could have been prevented. I believe both shouldn't have brushed issues under the rug but learned to resolve them. The Lord gave standards for leaders and those standards centered on how their lives must be conducted in the home and not the pulpit. I just wish this whole thing was not real.  |
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Post by anointed on Apr 24, 2008 12:09:18 GMT -5
Anointed wrote: She got what she wanted..and just maybe things did not work out the way she thought they would have and then she sought to say her marriage. How do you know this? |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 24, 2008 12:11:24 GMT -5
AT..there is no prophetic word. God is not pleased with this mess and she said in her own words that 7 major minstries would fail..she not expect those to ring true in her own heart of her own ministry. God exposed her stuff and he's not finished..you cannot walk in pride and not expect to dealt with publicly because of your disobedience. This could have resolved privately...yet, when you fail to sit at the feet of Jesus allow him to restore and heal you ..he will pull the covers off of you to expose what is really in your heart.
Again..something is saying leave this alone...as there are no celebrities in God's kingdom only servants.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 24, 2008 12:17:09 GMT -5
I am waiting to see how many pages it will take for this post to get locked..
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Post by anointed on Apr 24, 2008 12:26:19 GMT -5
I am waiting to see how many pages it will take for this post to get locked.. Yeah, we're just regurgitating stuff that's been said over and over... moving on! |
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 24, 2008 12:31:13 GMT -5
I believe that there was stating that she could a new man. I always say lost something of value to someone else and see how long they stay around.
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Post by stillfocused on Apr 24, 2008 12:36:23 GMT -5
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Truthful statement..but, isn't this what we are taught ? Fake the funk on Sunday and Wednesday and the rest of the week no one know how we really living. And to me I believe it's a lack of the knowledge of the Word of God.
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 24, 2008 13:29:48 GMT -5
Okay. Who would have ever thought that Bishop Weeks would do what he did. Evidently not many people or else this whole fiasco wouldn't have shocked people. By JB's own admission, she hadn't seen him get to the level that he did until that night. Which means they had disagreements before (as they've told ya'll at their conferences.) But when it gets to the point where you tell your spouse "I'll kill you" then something is going on within that offender. Now how would JB know this would happen? How is she attracted to what could catch anyone off guard? Now JB must've not been that bad or else he wouldn't have stayed with her the 5 years they were together. Also note, she was counseling with his father who is an apostle and things still didn't get better. So it is what it is. All she can do is move forward and help others not get to the point that happened in her marriage.You're actually making my point. Like spirits attract. Have you heard of the term "co-dependent". It's like when one person abuses and another seems to be the victim. But in counselling they find out that they BOTH ARE VICTIMS AND THEY BOTH ARE ABUSERS AND THEY BOTH ARE EACH HELPING THE OTHER TO CONTINTUE THE UNHEALTHY BEHAVIOR. It's a soul sickness that needs to be identified and healed. Y'all stop thinking that I'm saying this woman deserved to be hit. I NEVER said that. I was married to man who had a violent streak. I know what it feels like when that spirit rises up on someone. What I am and have been saying is that for violence, cheating, any kind of toxic relationship, IF YOU FIND YOURSELF CONSTANTLY IN THESE KINDS OF RELATIONSHIPS YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS IN YOU THAT DRAWS YOU TO THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE. These people have characteristics, they have traits and tendencies. Until you are taught to identify those traits and tendencies you'll continue to fall head over heels in love with these people. There is a brokenness in her and in him. Why can't these two people who want so much to love someone not live in peace with anyone? They BOTH need counselling. And it doesn't matter if Juanita didn't want a divorce. Staying married won't fix the problem either. Sticking it out is not the solution. With the RIGHT kind of counselling and healing they could wind up together again and have a sho nuff devil chasing ministry together. But the first thing they need to do is shut up and sat down and get some help. My bishop preached a series a few years back called, "I Can't Come Out Now, I'm Being Healed." That's what needs to happen here. She had other relationships between her first husband and TW.. and she never mention anything about being abused by them... By the way she got married 1981, twenty-one years before she met and married TW... and 14 years between her last relationship and TW... which is a big gap... so it really hard to tell if she was pulled to abusive men, or was it he who pursued her and got what he wanted, he needed sex and money(I wonder did he mention anything about marrying JB for Love, it not in the book  )... she was deeply in love with her first husband and IS till deeply in love with TW, but force to deal with the pain of getting divorce . |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 24, 2008 13:37:55 GMT -5
AT..there is no prophetic word. God is not pleased with this mess and she said in her own words that 7 major minstries would fail..she not expect those to ring true in her own heart of her own ministry. God exposed her stuff and he's not finished..you cannot walk in pride and not expect to dealt with publicly because of your disobedience. This could have resolved privately...yet, when you fail to sit at the feet of Jesus allow him to restore and heal you ..he will pull the covers off of you to expose what is really in your heart. Again..something is saying leave this alone...as there are no celebrities in God's kingdom only servants. Please explain and list everything God exposing about JB (not her marriage) Please no speculation what you think but facts... |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 24, 2008 13:40:28 GMT -5
I am waiting to see how many pages it will take for this post to get locked.. What you going to do? CRY OUT AND SAY LOCK IT because you are so greived... when the cure for a greif is not to read anything that bother you... |
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Post by vindicated on Apr 24, 2008 13:42:38 GMT -5
I spoke to a sister just yesterday whose ex husband was killed in a hostage situation. He was abusive and was holding her hostage. She had left him and I guess this is how the hostage thing came up.
Well she said something interesting to me. She said that God had told her that He didn't want her to marry the guy. But she did anyway. And she said that HER PROBLEM was that she had a SAVIOR COMPLEX. Meaning she would get into relationships with men that she KNEW weren't good for her but she thought she could help them (save them) Meanwhile, he had self esteem issues and he chose someone who he thought was weaker than he was and that he could abuse them to make himself feel better. This is kind of the "co-dependent" issue I was talking about. He chose her because to him she was weak and he could abuse her. He chose him because he was weak and she could save/help him.
The mindsets of abusers and victims is different from others. That mindset has to be healed if the CYCLE of abuse and abusive relationships is going to stop.
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Post by vindicated on Apr 24, 2008 13:43:55 GMT -5
Sadly the problems will continue until she accepts and admits that she part of the problem. Timeout having "issues" and not addressing them...and calling them "struggles" because pride won't let you deal with the root of the problem I'mma raise you an offering for this one! |
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Post by anointedteacher on Apr 24, 2008 13:44:46 GMT -5
I believe that there was stating that she could a new man. I always say lost something of value to someone else and see how long they stay around. You may be planting seed into your own life.... You plan to get re-married too.... what you spoke might stick to you. |
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Post by vindicated on Apr 24, 2008 13:52:42 GMT -5
Okay. Who would have ever thought that Bishop Weeks would do what he did. Evidently not many people or else this whole fiasco wouldn't have shocked people. By JB's own admission, she hadn't seen him get to the level that he did until that night. Which means they had disagreements before (as they've told ya'll at their conferences.) But when it gets to the point where you tell your spouse "I'll kill you" then something is going on within that offender. Now how would JB know this would happen? How is she attracted to what could catch anyone off guard? Now JB must've not been that bad or else he wouldn't have stayed with her the 5 years they were together. Also note, she was counseling with his father who is an apostle and things still didn't get better. So it is what it is. All she can do is move forward and help others not get to the point that happened in her marriage.You're actually making my point. Like spirits attract. Have you heard of the term "co-dependent". It's like when one person abuses and another seems to be the victim. But in counselling they find out that they BOTH ARE VICTIMS AND THEY BOTH ARE ABUSERS AND THEY BOTH ARE EACH HELPING THE OTHER TO CONTINTUE THE UNHEALTHY BEHAVIOR. It's a soul sickness that needs to be identified and healed. Y'all stop thinking that I'm saying this woman deserved to be hit. I NEVER said that. I was married to man who had a violent streak. I know what it feels like when that spirit rises up on someone. What I am and have been saying is that for violence, cheating, any kind of toxic relationship, IF YOU FIND YOURSELF CONSTANTLY IN THESE KINDS OF RELATIONSHIPS YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS IN YOU THAT DRAWS YOU TO THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE. These people have characteristics, they have traits and tendencies. Until you are taught to identify those traits and tendencies you'll continue to fall head over heels in love with these people. There is a brokenness in her and in him. Why can't these two people who want so much to love someone not live in peace with anyone? They BOTH need counselling. And it doesn't matter if Juanita didn't want a divorce. Staying married won't fix the problem either. Sticking it out is not the solution. With the RIGHT kind of counselling and healing they could wind up together again and have a sho nuff devil chasing ministry together. But the first thing they need to do is shut up and sat down and get some help. My bishop preached a series a few years back called, "I Can't Come Out Now, I'm Being Healed." That's what needs to happen here. She had other relationships between her first husband and TW.. and she never mention anything about being abused by them... By the way she got married 1981, twenty-one years before she met and married TW... and 14 years between her last relationship and TW... which is a big gap... so it really hard to tell if she was pulled to abusive men, or was it he who pursued her and got what he wanted, he needed sex and money(I wonder did he mention anything about marrying JB for Love, it not in the book )... she was deeply in love with her first husband and IS till deeply in love with TW, but force to deal with the pain of getting divorce . I've heard her testimony and NONE none of her relationships were healthy. The first husband physically abused her. Then a man grabbed her by her ponytail (she used to have long hair) dragged her into a car, beat her and tried to rape her. (this is why she wound up wearing short hair.) She had another relationship where she was engaged to a man. He went to the service, called home and told her that he found her another engagement ring nicer than the one she had. Told her to send him the ring. And he would trade it for the better one. Come to find out, he gave her engagement ring to another woman where he was, and here she was thinking she was still engaged. He done married someone else. After that she got involved with an older man and that turned into a mess too. So yes, she has a tendency to be drawn to men who will in one way or another abuse her. The cycle has to stop but it will only stop with HER. |
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Post by vindicated on Apr 24, 2008 13:58:08 GMT -5
It doesn't make any difference how many years pass between one relationship and another. If the issues are never resolved they will surely come up again. 5, 10, 14, 20 years, it doesn't matter. Until these issues are revealed, resolved and healed she'll keep finding herself in abusive relationships.
The same goes for him. He talked about first wife and how she would abandon him and the ministry when things weren't going well. She seemed to be interested in what he could do for her but was not able to support him as a wife, understanding that ministry has dry spells sometimes.
Then what he do? Married another woman who would "abandon" him. Oh in a different way and for different reasons,....I mean she was preaching the gospel. But he was still second fiddle to her "calling". He still had a yet another woman who made him feel like he didn't quite matter. So he too needs to come to an understanding of what is broken in himself and get it healed so he too can experience full deliverance and healing, and hopefully someday they both will have a happy and healthy loving marriage with somebody.
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)... she was deeply in love with her first husband and IS till deeply in love with TW, but force to deal with the pain of getting divorce