|
|
Post by keita on Apr 25, 2008 12:31:25 GMT -5
I'm not talking about what we think she would or should be able to say. WHAT HAS SHE SAID other than get out of the situation? I'll see after someone else has seen more. Someone should already say they've heard something. Whoa, slow down sis! I was waiting because when I repsonded to you, JB, herself hadn't even spoken yet.  Well, "getting out" really wasn't the issue being addressed here, because the female victim was already out of the home and seeking a divorce. The program was actually VERY short, but I did hear some other relevant issues being addressed. Okay, I'll be back after I've seen the the video of the show that I didn't catch.  |
|
|
|
Post by anointedteacher on Apr 25, 2008 12:43:26 GMT -5
I'm not talking about what we think she would or should be able to say. WHAT HAS SHE SAID other than get out of the situation? I'll see after someone else has seen more. Someone should already say they've heard something. I haven't really heard anything other than basically get out of it. Which takes me back to my point that I've been driving and it's being ignored. The real issues aren't solved with just get out of it. It is a start.... It is the most difficult and most important step..... This do not always mean divorce... There have be a separation from the abuser and safety for the abusee... |
|
|
|
Post by stillfocused on Apr 25, 2008 13:14:16 GMT -5
Realistically..in alot of cases the abusee always ends up getting back together with their abuser
|
|
|
|
Post by stillfocused on Apr 25, 2008 13:16:39 GMT -5
Lanl..I have to agree with you..she doesn't look good. I read the last article that she did in Essence and she just didn't look like herself.
|
|
|
|
Post by vindicated on Apr 25, 2008 13:22:54 GMT -5
Slow down what? I was just clarifying what I was asking. And I'm not really just talking about the interview. We have people on here defending her "to the death" and talking about how she's supposedly helping so many people. What is she telling them? What has she said? There may be something said in the interview but has not anything been said before now?
People keep talking about she's helping people. How? What tools is she giving them that they can use to truly get out of the cycle of abuse. You can get out of an abusive relationship but still not be out of the cycle of abuse. This is why it keeps repeating itself in every relationship.
But I'm gathering that she hasn't been able to really show someone the way out because she isn't out herself.
Unless someone can tell me something that she is telling people to help them OUT.
|
|
|
|
Post by anointedteacher on Apr 25, 2008 13:39:54 GMT -5
Realistically..in alot of cases the abusee always ends up getting back together with their abuser That is so true... I have seen it over and over again... a tenant in the section 8 apartment building I used to manage, did that.... A police came to our office and beg the owner and myself to let this lady and her children into one of our vacant apartment. The lady was abused by her husband and want to move before he get out of jail. We broke all the rules for HUD and section 8, to move her in. On Christmas the police department wanted to surprise the woman and her children who went through so much with gifes and each child with a bike.... When she open the door, guess who was sitting in the living room? Correct her abusive husband.... He have a terrible attitude and tempe. This cop was so upset and hurt because she bent backward to help this woman and could have gotten in trouble. We could have gotten in trouble because she was not eligible for section 8. Five months later this man beated his 12 years old daughter with his cane in the head. The child had to be rush to the hospital, he also broke three cerament (sp) tiles on the floor with his cane. That what make it so difficult to help these women, but they till should be help. |
|
|
|
Post by stillfocused on Apr 25, 2008 13:45:33 GMT -5
Please know that it's not only women who get abused...men are abused by their wives, their girlfriends, and etc..and they truly suffer silence..some even unto death. And women abusers are worse than men..because their intent is not hurt, defend, or maim...their intent is to KILL !!
|
|
|
|
Post by anointed on Apr 25, 2008 13:46:00 GMT -5
Again, the focus for some people continue to be JB and not the important issue(s). Keita, I would love to hear what you feel were some relevant issues that was brought up from a holistic standpoint. Anticipating your commentary.  And as for the question as to "what is she doing?..." Well, what is the whole church doing in regards to the issue? I know I learned some things through the show (not focusing on JB but the issues addressed.) The church needs to be well informed and address societal issues, such as the latest with the NYC policemen being acquitted for fatally shooting an unarmed black man. It's time for the church to address something new for a change!!!! At least JB has made the step, which is upsetting many. She's such a controversial figure. I love it! |
|
|
|
Post by anointed on Apr 25, 2008 14:02:23 GMT -5
Please know that it's not only women who get abused...men are abused by their wives, their girlfriends, and etc..and they truly suffer silence..some even unto death. And women abusers are worse than men..because their intent is not hurt, defend, or maim...their intent is to KILL !! Thanks for addressing the ISSUE in general. It must begin in the house of God before we can address it in the world. A thought just came to my mind ... you know why many people aren't drawn to the church, it's because we're not relevant. We need to upgrade some of what we're doing instead of "churchin'" all the time. One thing that the judge on Divorce Court rebuked JB about was keeping things secret can bring a lost of power esp. when issues are not dealt with early on. Again, the judge is addressing an ISSUE. The judge told JB this after hearing her say that she brushed many things under the rug in her marriage to not deal with issues (almost like coping and adjusting to an unhealthy lifestyle of marriage). JB said she was afraid to admit what was going on because of who she was. That makes perfect sense. Why? Because now that we've learned of her mess, it's as if we should take a shovel and bury her 10 feet under along with her title. The thing she feared from the church community has become a reality and that was negative feedback (and this was before the media appearances). A prime example was the statement "If you are a prophetess, shouldn't you have seen it?" How insensitive. And no, a prophet doesn't know everything! Obviously, many in the church didn't see it coming. A woman who many in the church once celebrated in the Lord has now become a woman that is seems many are shouting "crucify!" Much like Jesus (and he did no wrong). Nothing is new under the sun. You may disagree with my analogy but that's cool. I would have more respect for Bishop Weeks if he just admit to what he did. Two people tesify to what he did (one being the man who pulled him off JB). The bible said in the mouth of two oe three witnesses, let things be confirmed. Just fess up Bishop, and move on. Nothing hateful about that. We still love him as well. Just my two cents. |
|
|
|
Post by stillfocused on Apr 25, 2008 14:04:09 GMT -5
Depending on where you attend church the very "issues"..may not being addressed. She's not controversial..the very things that you wish to discuss the Lord has been addressing for years..yet, the church is not ready to receive the message that everyone is not fornicating, committing adultery, doing drugs..about 9 years ago I wrote a skit on physical abuse..within the church..by the brother who knew how to say "praise the Lord". As long things continue to be dealt with on the surface the root will never be exposed. I hear alot of messages on encouraging one another..but, I have yet, to hear one on how teens are now facing the very thing their sisters, cousins, aunties, Moms, and grandmothers face..physical abuse. Bring the discussion on...we cover up and use our salvation the drug of choice to cover up the pain and truth that we really don't trust God as much as we say we do..
you can't always redeem what the Lord told you to expose because of your disobedience..there are consequences to pay.
|
|
|
|
Post by keita on Apr 25, 2008 14:06:20 GMT -5
Slow down what? I was just clarifying what I was asking. LOL! I did understand your clarification. And I definitely hear and share your intensity about this issue. Largely because, and as I've shared on this very board, my now dead, ordained pastor, ex-husband was a violent, phyisically and emotionally abusive piece of work. I was simply asking you to wait for any assessment, at least from me, of what JB did or did not say, was or was not saying on the show. Just, and at least, until she actually spoke and until I actually heard it. Oh, I see that. And that may be the disconnect we had, because, when I responded to you, I actually was just talking only about JB's Divorce Court appearance. |
|
|
|
Post by anointed on Apr 25, 2008 14:10:12 GMT -5
Depending on where you attend church the very "issues"..may not being addressed. That's why I said it needs to be addressed more as a whole. She's not controversial..the very things that you wish to discuss the Lord has been addressing for years..yet, the church is not ready to receive the message that everyone is not fornicating, committing adultery, doing drugs..about 9 years ago I wrote a skit on physical abuse..within the church..by the brother who knew how to say "praise the Lord". As long things continue to be dealt with on the surface the root will never be exposed. I hear alot of messages on encouraging one another..but, I have yet, to hear one on how teens are now facing the very thing their sisters, cousins, aunties, Moms, and grandmothers face..physical abuse. Bring the discussion on...we cover up and use our salvation the drug of choice to cover up the pain and truth that we really don't trust God as much as we say we do.. you can't always redeem what the Lord told you to expose because of your disobedience..there are consequences to pay. Whether you want to admit it or not, she is controversial right now. I'm learning that the very issue of domestic violence is controversial as well. It's a complex issue with many factors involved and people involved. The church needs to come out of denial too. |
|
|
|
Post by stillfocused on Apr 25, 2008 14:22:45 GMT -5
Bishop Jakes for years has been addressing this topic and many others for years. It's two sides of to every story..and until the whole truth is told..there is no need of making her out to be the victim. And this is just a thought..was she addressing her 1st or 2nd marriage ? Because ladies we can sometimes treat Jimmie like he was Johnnie..even though Jimmie is long gone.
|
|
|
|
Post by keita on Apr 25, 2008 14:23:23 GMT -5
Again, the focus for some people continue to be JB and not the important issue(s). EXACTLY! Thanks for the invite sis! I'm watching the video now, but I'm working on a dial-up computer at the moment, so doing that is truly an exercise in patience and perserverance, lol! I'll get back to you... LOL! As I said before, I sooooo both understand and share those feelings too! |
|
|
|
Post by stillfocused on Apr 25, 2008 14:29:04 GMT -5
The problems that we continue to call "ISSUES"...
manipulative devious dramatic spiteful controlling jealous vengegful conniving
dominating sneaky lying scorned
feelings of entitlement selfish lying..
sorrowful full of hate sharp tongued and wit....fearful
and the list could go on..
|
|
