Post by anointedteacher on Jul 23, 2008 13:39:47 GMT -5
McCain Opposes Himself?
Posted by saintluke on 2008 July 23
saintluke.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/mccain-opposes-himself/
Take these facts into consideration and then read my question at the bottom; it concerns John McCain being willing to hold two drastically opposing positions professed on the same day, and accusing Obama of close to treason for holding one of the two same opinions as he himself puts forth. Am I wrong about this?
HERE ARE THE PRELIMINARY FACTS
*At least by the end of April, Gallup said that 63% of Americans saw the Iraq war as a mistake.
*70% of Americans want us out of Iraq (says Ron Paul at Antiwar.com)…
*70% of Iraqis want us gone, IRAQ CAN DEFEND ITSELF (Iraqi officials TELL CONGRESS, see CSPAN)
*Even if the surge has brought violence down, by last September, as many as 70% of Iraqis said that security had deteriorated in our “Surge” areas.
*The Administration of Iraq (P.M. Nouri al-Maliki) has demanded that we leave by 2010 - and are happy with Barack Obama’s timetable (See MSNBC video), remember!- John McCain said that if they asked us to leave, we would have to go (a blog distillation of the CFR original).
Copying Democracy Arsenal:
Question: “What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there?”
McCain’s Answer: “Well, if that scenario evolves than I think it’s obvious that we would have to leave because — if it was an elected government of Iraq, and we’ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I don’t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.”
Furthermore, our only legal basis for staying is the UN mandate which expires on December 31, 2008, after which we would have the DEMOCRATIC responsibility of allowing Iraq to be sovereign…
IN FACT, even the Bush Administration has now made it seem that they will #1) indeed begin withdrawal and #2) move our troops to Afghanistan (like Barack Obama said).
SOOOOO - EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE… WE ARE LEAVING, WE LEGALLY HAVE TO LEAVE, WE ETHICALLY HAVE TO LEAVE, THE AMERICANS WANT OUT, THE IRAQIS WANT US OUT…..
….but….
John McCain says, “I would rather lose a political campaign than lose a war. It seems to me that Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign. [FOX, A good Countdown Vid]“
What does he think losing is? Coming home?… What does he think he will or can do as president? He blames Obama’s plan for potentially “Losing the WAR”….RIGHT AFTER SAYING HE WILL COME HOME SOOOOOONER than Obama. It sounds like he just blamed these people for wanting us gone: 1) America, 2) the Iraqi People, 3) the Iraqi government, 4) the United Nations, 5) the Bush Administration.
But that was only after saying that HE TOO would do the same thing. What? Yes. What he said, actually makes NO sense, it only has the APPEARANCE of making John McCain a better Commander, even though he is actually saying he opposes his own plan, the one he is being FORCED to take, which will finally force him to do what America and Iraq want…to the chagrin of the Military Industrial Complex.
[Watch the video - same Countdown Video].
REMEMBER - there is no defined way of saying WHAT this war actually is. Iraq already HAS a democratic government now. We apparently don’t care about LAW or Constitution, or decency. We just care about securing the rights to more oil.
Posted by saintluke on 2008 July 23
saintluke.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/mccain-opposes-himself/
Take these facts into consideration and then read my question at the bottom; it concerns John McCain being willing to hold two drastically opposing positions professed on the same day, and accusing Obama of close to treason for holding one of the two same opinions as he himself puts forth. Am I wrong about this?
HERE ARE THE PRELIMINARY FACTS
*At least by the end of April, Gallup said that 63% of Americans saw the Iraq war as a mistake.
*70% of Americans want us out of Iraq (says Ron Paul at Antiwar.com)…
*70% of Iraqis want us gone, IRAQ CAN DEFEND ITSELF (Iraqi officials TELL CONGRESS, see CSPAN)
*Even if the surge has brought violence down, by last September, as many as 70% of Iraqis said that security had deteriorated in our “Surge” areas.
*The Administration of Iraq (P.M. Nouri al-Maliki) has demanded that we leave by 2010 - and are happy with Barack Obama’s timetable (See MSNBC video), remember!- John McCain said that if they asked us to leave, we would have to go (a blog distillation of the CFR original).
Copying Democracy Arsenal:
Question: “What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there?”
McCain’s Answer: “Well, if that scenario evolves than I think it’s obvious that we would have to leave because — if it was an elected government of Iraq, and we’ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I don’t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.”
Furthermore, our only legal basis for staying is the UN mandate which expires on December 31, 2008, after which we would have the DEMOCRATIC responsibility of allowing Iraq to be sovereign…
IN FACT, even the Bush Administration has now made it seem that they will #1) indeed begin withdrawal and #2) move our troops to Afghanistan (like Barack Obama said).
SOOOOO - EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE… WE ARE LEAVING, WE LEGALLY HAVE TO LEAVE, WE ETHICALLY HAVE TO LEAVE, THE AMERICANS WANT OUT, THE IRAQIS WANT US OUT…..
….but….
John McCain says, “I would rather lose a political campaign than lose a war. It seems to me that Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign. [FOX, A good Countdown Vid]“
What does he think losing is? Coming home?… What does he think he will or can do as president? He blames Obama’s plan for potentially “Losing the WAR”….RIGHT AFTER SAYING HE WILL COME HOME SOOOOOONER than Obama. It sounds like he just blamed these people for wanting us gone: 1) America, 2) the Iraqi People, 3) the Iraqi government, 4) the United Nations, 5) the Bush Administration.
But that was only after saying that HE TOO would do the same thing. What? Yes. What he said, actually makes NO sense, it only has the APPEARANCE of making John McCain a better Commander, even though he is actually saying he opposes his own plan, the one he is being FORCED to take, which will finally force him to do what America and Iraq want…to the chagrin of the Military Industrial Complex.
[Watch the video - same Countdown Video].
REMEMBER - there is no defined way of saying WHAT this war actually is. Iraq already HAS a democratic government now. We apparently don’t care about LAW or Constitution, or decency. We just care about securing the rights to more oil.