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Post by anointedteacher on Dec 15, 2008 10:19:42 GMT -5
Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Beginning mean dateless past....
How old is the earth?...
(a) 6000 years old
(b) 1 Billion years old
(c) no age can be place on the earth
Genesis 1:2a, "And the earth was without form and void...."
Did God created the earth this way? If not, what happen to cause the earth to become without form and void?
Have some of the teaching on creation caused some to doubt the Word of God? Why?
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Post by Nikkol on Dec 15, 2008 11:11:20 GMT -5
I don't think that anyone knows how old the world is. Some have said that there was an "earth" before the earth that we know. So most would "focus" (i use that world lightly) on when God created this heaven and earth.
Not sure why it would cause someone to question the Word of G-d though.
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Dec 15, 2008 12:12:44 GMT -5
I have heard something on this that I do not agree with. And that is that there is like a billion years between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, and it goes like this:
Gen 1:1, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
Satan is thrown out of heaven (Luke 10:18 ) and when he hit the earth, it caused
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
But I don't believe that. I believe that Gen 1:1 is an overview of creation and that beginning with verse 2, is the explanation of how God created the heavens and the earth.
I don't know old the earth is. I've seen time lines based on scripture that would put it somewhere around the late 5000's or something, and I guess if I had to I'd say I agree with that.
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Post by anointed on Dec 15, 2008 12:42:20 GMT -5
Edited as not to cause confusion
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Post by livinganewlife on Dec 15, 2008 13:21:47 GMT -5
I have heard something on this that I do not agree with. And that is that there is like a billion years between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, and it goes like this: Gen 1:1, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth Satan is thrown out of heaven (Luke 10:18 ) and when he hit the earth, it caused Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. But I don't believe that. I believe that Gen 1:1 is an overview of creation and that beginning with verse 2, is the explanation of how God created the heavens and the earth. I don't know old the earth is. I've seen time lines based on scripture that would put it somewhere around the late 5000's or something, and I guess if I had to I'd say I agree with that. I heard something like this too.... Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. When God initially created the Heavens and Earth everything was created perfect and complete....the heavens consists of the celstial bodies and the earth consist of nature, mankind, etc….. However somewhere in time there was a gap between verses 1 and 2 as the second verse reads: Genesis 1:2 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. means: Or possibly became formless and empty which indicates prior creations
side note all scripture is from NIV translation
And the gap theory begins....but I see Sis. Anointed has already posted on that.....so I will be  and move on......
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Post by giantsdodie on Dec 15, 2008 14:50:02 GMT -5
I aint touching that gap theory stuff...
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Post by anointedteacher on Dec 15, 2008 14:50:18 GMT -5
Genesis 1:2a, "And the earth was without form and void...."
Jer. 4:23, "I beheld the earth, and lo, it was without form and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
The Hebrew word for was is hayah, which mean became.
Isaiah 45:18, "For thus saith the Lord that creates the heavens ; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to he inhabited; I am the Lord an there is none else."
God did not created the earth in the condition it was in verse 2 of Genesis, something had to happen.
Some say it was Lucifer flood
II Peter 3:5-7, "5) For this they willingly are ignorant of , that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6)Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. 7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
Peter talking about the old world that perished... Noah flood did not caused the world to perished... This was really more than a flood, it was a baptism, completely immersed(sp) in water. And you notice in verse 7, speak of the earth which are NOW... two different worlds.
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Post by anointedteacher on Dec 15, 2008 17:33:48 GMT -5
Sis. AT, When it comes down to it, despite the various schools of thought, none of us was with God at the beginning of time to accurately know what things occurred when God created the earth. We only know what the Word of God precisely let's us know. The bible says that the secret things belong to the Lord and I think as long as we know that He is Creator God who's in control of everything, that's all that matters. I'm not saying I'm for a gap theory and I don't know all about the demonic realms, etc. But I do know that God reigns supreme and has given me power to tread over all the works of the enemy for I am seated with Christ in heavenly places. That's good enough for me. Sometimes I distance myself from biblical debates and theories because I feel as long as we get the main point of what God is saying, then that's enough for me. This is why it's also important to be lead of the Holy Spirit and not try to over step the boundary of knowledge He's revealed. Blessings. I somewhat agree .... That's why I added a few scriptures that point to the Gap theory... Science have even proven that something have taken place. It answer many questions.... many ppl wonder why they say the earth is only 6000 years old... this teaching has and still is throwing many ppl off and some question the Bible. I don't think God is completely silent... He gave us just enough to dig in... He allowed sceinfic evident to manifest with bones and vegetation. Geologists found vegetation remains that is usually grow in tropical or sub-tropical areas, have been disovered in remote coldest areas of the world. He have given us just enough scriptures to ride on. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Dec 15, 2008 18:10:06 GMT -5
I aint touching that gap theory stuff... me either |
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Post by krazeeboi on Dec 15, 2008 22:09:53 GMT -5
Y'all ain't gotta touch it, because I will do so gladly.  I think the "gap theory" is very fanciful, mythic, very much like a fairy tale, and that there really is no biblical support for it, especially this whole "pre-Adamic" race thing. Even some stuff in Greek mythology doesn't get quite that colorful. As Sis. GAP said, Gen. 1:1 just gives an overview of what God did, and Gen. 1:2 goes on to detail how He did it. No need for conspiracy theories here. But then again, I don't think I believe in the doctrine of the "fall of Lucifer (the devil)," either. |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Dec 16, 2008 6:54:50 GMT -5
But then again, I don't think I believe in the doctrine of the "fall of Lucifer (the devil)," either. Do tell.............  |
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Post by giantsdodie on Dec 16, 2008 9:26:57 GMT -5
Y'all ain't gotta touch it, because I will do so gladly. I think the "gap theory" is very fanciful, mythic, very much like a fairy tale, and that there really is no biblical support for it, especially this whole "pre-Adamic" race thing. Even some stuff in Greek mythology doesn't get quite that colorful. As Sis. GAP said, Gen. 1:1 just gives an overview of what God did, and Gen. 1:2 goes on to detail how He did it. No need for conspiracy theories here. But then again, I don't think I believe in the doctrine of the "fall of Lucifer (the devil)," either. You sir were far more polite than I ws going to be regarding this. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Dec 16, 2008 19:45:38 GMT -5
But then again, I don't think I believe in the doctrine of the "fall of Lucifer (the devil)," either. Do tell............. I started a thread about this some time ago and I'll see what I can dig up, but suffice to say that I simply believe that the passages that supposedly allude to a "fall of Lucifer" simply refer to human rulers and we've wrestled those passages out of context to prove something otherwise. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Dec 16, 2008 19:46:43 GMT -5
You sir were far more polite than I ws going to be regarding this. ROFL! |
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and move on......
