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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 2, 2009 11:31:31 GMT -5
Forgive me for answering a question with a question... But why does this type of prophecy seem strange to you?? LOL. You've been taught well. (ie regarding answering a question with a question). I don't think that "strange" is the Word I would use. I know of ppl that prophesy regarding the US/etc. Part of it is that I may not understand. I guess in reading it, I assume the point was to encourage/empower black ppl as well as encourage those who voted for Obama that it's the right choice? Not sure if that made it clearer or not.....or if I just made it een more difficult to understand....lol First we must ask.. What is prophecy? Prophecy is the inspired interpretation of the WILL and Purpose of THE LORD GOD. It is THE LORD GOD communicating HIS WILL to a person, a people, a nation, or the whole world. It is also THE LORD GOD declaring what will be in present or future sequences of events. It is the expression of the Omniscience of THE MOST HIGH GOD in regards to a particular person, place, or matter. [/b] Isaiah 46:9-11; “Remember the former things of old; for I AM GOD, and there is none else; I AM GOD and there is none like ME, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, MY Counsel shall stand, and I will do all MY Pleasure: calling the ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth MY Counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.” Isaiah 42:9; “Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.” And Secondly we must ask what is the PURPOSE of Prophecy ?? I Corinthians 14:3; “But he that Prophesieth speaketh unto men to Edification, and Exhortation, and Comfort.” Edify means to enlighten both intellectually and spiritually Exort means to urge, advise, caution, warn, admonish or to give recommendation... SO we can see that A) The scope of prophecy is NOT limited. It is the will, purpose, plan and design of GOD toward a person, people, nation, kingdom, organization and even a business. GOD can choose to speak whatever HE desires to Whomever He desires anytime He is good a ready... B) The purpose is to bring clarity, instruction, admonition, and counsel. Now you might ask yourself.. WHY would GOD do something like this or WHY would he speak a thing like this.. The scriptures themselves answer this question... Amos 3:7; “Surely THE LORD GOD will do nothing, but HE revealeth HIS secret unto HIS servants the Prophets.” Isaiah 42:9; “Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.” THE FATHER speaks HIS HEART to HIS Prophets, and addresses whatever it is that HE wants to discuss with them or through them. There really is no limit to what GOD will say to or through HIS Prophets. The degree of Security clearance to HEAVEN’s classified information is all determined by the Prophets level of Intimacy and Oneness with GOD, his Authority and Power with GOD, his Faith and Obedience to GOD, and his Consecration and Sanctification unto GOD. The believer GOD will speak to on his or her level of maturity, and will declare to them those things they are ready to hear. GOD desires to share HIS HEART with HIS people, we must make sure we are always in a condition and position to hear. This is one area where people have an issue. There is a difference in the scope of prophetic gifting. It is given unto every believer the right and the privilege to Prophesy the WORD of THE LORD by THE HOLY SPIRIT. If the believer is mature in CHRIST, knowledgeable of the written WORD of GOD, baptized in THE HOLY GHOST, bears the Fruit of THE SPIRIT, and has received Prophecy as one of the Gifts of THE SPIRIT, he or she is able and welcome to Prophesy (I Corinthians 12:4-7,11). Believers who are immature must be trained in the Prophetic Ministry by someone who is a Prophetic minister, that is seasoned, and possesses the Character, Anointing, and knowledge of the proper operation of the Prophetic Ministry. Once properly trained the believer must be supervised in Prophetic Ministry until their Character, Accuracy, Anointing, and Ministry are proven before THE LORD. Then and only then can they be trusted to speak into the lives of others publicly. (I Corinthians 12:27-31; 14:1) All fivefold ministry officers (Ephesians 4:9-16) can Prophesy, but the office of the Prophet is where the gift of prophecy is most prominent. The difference between the believer that operates in the gift of Prophecy and the Prophet of GOD is that the Prophet prophesies with greater authority, power, depth, accuracy, dimension, measure, and scope. Fivefold ministry officers who flow prophetically may flow to a greater degree than the believer who is Prophetic, but not to as great a degree as the Prophet, because it is part of his office’s area of expertise in CHRIST. The Prophet of GOD is THE LORD’s primary Mouthpiece where the Prophetic Utterance is concerned, yet Prophecy is not limited to this office; it is given to every believer as THE HOLY GHOST WILLS and as they desire. Prophets don’t just Prophesy, but it is a important part of their Call and Mantle in the Ministry of CHRIST. So not only does GOD want every believer to hear from HIM and know HIS Voice that HE might speak to them, that they may know HIM and HIS WILL for them, but also that HE might speak through them, that others may know HIM and HIS WILL for them. ALSO God is not limited to only saying ONE thing at a time. He may be speaking to the churches need for holiness over here and addressing the nation over there. I believe a lot of our issue with things prophectic is due to FEAR. So we feel more confortable with things being said that are within the scope of our comfort zone. BTW Kim Clement aint black.. he is actually from Australia or New Zealand |
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 2, 2009 11:32:05 GMT -5
you know when i read "prophecies" like these, to me they tend to fall more under the "predictions of men" category than the "prophecies of God" category. How do you DISCERN the difference ?? I use the word discern purposefully here... I ask this.. Why do the people of GOD have an issue with GOD speaking to nations and kings ?? We say that GOD is the same yesterday, today and forever. Yet this same GOD who never changes has ALWAYS used prophets to speak to nations and kings and people. Did not GOD use the prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel to speak to nations and theur kings ?? Did not GOD use the prophet Jonah to speak to Ninevah?? Did not GOD use the prophet Elijah to tear down the wicked rule of Ahab and Jezebel  Did not GOD use the prophet Nathan to speakl to David. Did not GOD use the prophet Isaiah to speak revelations about JESUS over 600 years BEFORE they manifested.. Did not GOD use the prophet Daniel to speak end time prophecies and events THOUSANDS of years in the future than we are only NOW beginning to understand.. We have to DISCERN whether we are talking about the Word of GOD or the words of men... to US Isaiah was a spot dead on target prophet of GOD.. but to people of THAT day... He may have been seen as off as eight toes on one foot.... GOD reveals things HIDDEN and UNKNOWN to man.. Here is what HE said through the prophet Amos Amos 5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name: That constellation being spoke of with the seven stars is Pleides which is in the souther sky. It is a constellation os seven stars near Orion.. Here is the kicker.. the SEVENTH star CANNOT be seen WITHOUT a telescope.. It was not discovered UNTIL the telescope was invented.. but yet here is Amos.. talking about seven stars.... DISCERNMENT is key.. Not analytical minds.. not logical analysis.. not guesswork. Not filtering through our own fears and concerns.. DISCERNMENT... |
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 2, 2009 11:44:15 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on this?
Regarding Kim, I JUST found out that Kim is a man....lol
So, from your understanding of this particular prophesy,was the purpose to basically let us know that Obama was a good choice and he won't fail?
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 2, 2009 11:47:44 GMT -5
you know when i read "prophecies" like these, to me they tend to fall more under the "predictions of men" category than the "prophecies of God" category. I can understand and respect that answer....that makes sense. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 2, 2009 12:04:49 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on this? Regarding Kim, I JUST found out that Kim is a man....lol So, from your understanding of this particular prophesy,was the purpose to basically let us know that Obama was a good choice and he won't fail? First of all for me I already KNOW Obama was GOD's choice.. so for me its not an issue.. But GOD reveals things so we can be PRAYERFUL.. we are taught to PRAY for our leaders.. even the ones we DONT like.. I coudnt stand Bush.. but I prayed to GOD that he would have wisdom to govern ( maybe I shoulda prayed harder on that one.. but I digress ) Secondly A person who has a gift of prophecy does not operate at the same dimension or scope as someone who is called of GOD to the OFFICE of a Prophet. One is a grace gift to the believer.. the OTHER is a fivefold ministry anointing and the reality is that it is one of the FOUNDATIONAL ministries of the Body of Christ.. (Apostle being the other one) Because that is the primary anointing of that office the scope of what GOD will reval and speak though that PROPHET of GOD will be of a greater dimension that that of the person who has the grace gift of prophecy. In my ministry there are some that are prophetic. But they do not minster and flow at the level of anointing of the Prophet of GOD of the house. Even the pastor who has a prophetic anointing doesnt flow at the same level because that is not his area. The problem is that today people believe that anyone who prophecies is a prophet which is NOT the case... Saul prophesied.. YET he was not a prophet... |
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 2, 2009 12:53:07 GMT -5
you know when i read "prophecies" like these, to me they tend to fall more under the "predictions of men" category than the "prophecies of God" category. How do you DISCERN the difference ?? I use the word discern purposefully here... I ask this.. Why do the people of GOD have an issue with GOD speaking to nations and kings ?? We say that GOD is the same yesterday, today and forever. Yet this same GOD who never changes has ALWAYS used prophets to speak to nations and kings and people. Did not GOD use the prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel to speak to nations and theur kings ?? Did not GOD use the prophet Jonah to speak to Ninevah?? Did not GOD use the prophet Elijah to tear down the wicked rule of Ahab and Jezebel Did not GOD use the prophet Nathan to speakl to David. Did not GOD use the prophet Isaiah to speak revelations about JESUS over 600 years BEFORE they manifested.. Did not GOD use the prophet Daniel to speak end time prophecies and events THOUSANDS of years in the future than we are only NOW beginning to understand.. We have to DISCERN whether we are talking about the Word of GOD or the words of men... to US Isaiah was a spot dead on target prophet of GOD.. but to people of THAT day... He may have been seen as off as eight toes on one foot.... GOD reveals things HIDDEN and UNKNOWN to man.. Here is what HE said through the prophet Amos Amos 5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name: That constellation being spoke of with the seven stars is Pleides which is in the souther sky. It is a constellation os seven stars near Orion.. Here is the kicker.. the SEVENTH star CANNOT be seen WITHOUT a telescope.. It was not discovered UNTIL the telescope was invented.. but yet here is Amos.. talking about seven stars.... DISCERNMENT is key.. Not analytical minds.. not logical analysis.. not guesswork. Not filtering through our own fears and concerns.. DISCERNMENT... I don't think the issue has anything to do with speaking TO nations/people/kings. The question is what the purpose was. In the first few examples you gave, the purpose was for ppl to repent and to turn to God. The next few were in reference to what we need to prepare for and also about our Messiah. So, the question, which I keep going to is that this information was given in order to _______________________________. I believe AT said in reference to let us know that Obama will not fail. I saw it as that being the point and letting us know that we'll have a black woman president one day. So based on scriptures, what is the coorelation? Or is there one at all? Or, using what we know about prophesy according to the Word, is this particular prophecy, was it meant to edify, exhort or comfort? Side Note: I hope that you don't take that I'm being "mean", etc. I really am just having a discussion/discourse. Besides, I'm not authorized to "fight" with you. <<smile>> |
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 2, 2009 12:58:21 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on this? Regarding Kim, I JUST found out that Kim is a man....lol So, from your understanding of this particular prophesy,was the purpose to basically let us know that Obama was a good choice and he won't fail? First of all for me I already KNOW Obama was GOD's choice.. so for me its not an issue.. But GOD reveals things so we can be PRAYERFUL.. we are taught to PRAY for our leaders.. even the ones we DONT like.. I coudnt stand Bush.. but I prayed to GOD that he would have wisdom to govern ( maybe I shoulda prayed harder on that one.. but I digress ) Secondly A person who has a gift of prophecy does not operate at the same dimension or scope as someone who is called of GOD to the OFFICE of a Prophet. One is a grace gift to the believer.. the OTHER is a fivefold ministry anointing and the reality is that it is one of the FOUNDATIONAL ministries of the Body of Christ.. (Apostle being the other one) Because that is the primary anointing of that office the scope of what GOD will reval and speak though that PROPHET of GOD will be of a greater dimension that that of the person who has the grace gift of prophecy. In my ministry there are some that are prophetic. But they do not minster and flow at the level of anointing of the Prophet of GOD of the house. Even the pastor who has a prophetic anointing doesnt flow at the same level because that is not his area. The problem is that today people believe that anyone who prophecies is a prophet which is NOT the case... Saul prophesied.. YET he was not a prophet... 1. I think that Obama being God's choice is a given for anyone that comes in power whether we agree or not is because that was God's choice. 2. Prayer for our leaders is important according to scripture. 3.I can agree that there is a difference between a person who operates as a prophet vs someone who at a given time may prophesy. But I don't know if I can agree that if two ppl have the same word, given by God but one isn't a "prophet", that would mean that one is operating on a greater dimension..... could you give an example? We may agree.... Modified: This is actually the first time I've actually did any research on who Kim Clements is/was. So I'm actually reading up on him now....and thanks to me reading this, I'm learning a lot more about who this man is...so for that, I'm grateful. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 2, 2009 13:19:25 GMT -5
How do you DISCERN the difference ?? I use the word discern purposefully here... I ask this.. Why do the people of GOD have an issue with GOD speaking to nations and kings ?? We say that GOD is the same yesterday, today and forever. Yet this same GOD who never changes has ALWAYS used prophets to speak to nations and kings and people. Did not GOD use the prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel to speak to nations and theur kings ?? Did not GOD use the prophet Jonah to speak to Ninevah?? Did not GOD use the prophet Elijah to tear down the wicked rule of Ahab and Jezebel Did not GOD use the prophet Nathan to speakl to David. Did not GOD use the prophet Isaiah to speak revelations about JESUS over 600 years BEFORE they manifested.. Did not GOD use the prophet Daniel to speak end time prophecies and events THOUSANDS of years in the future than we are only NOW beginning to understand.. We have to DISCERN whether we are talking about the Word of GOD or the words of men... to US Isaiah was a spot dead on target prophet of GOD.. but to people of THAT day... He may have been seen as off as eight toes on one foot.... GOD reveals things HIDDEN and UNKNOWN to man.. Here is what HE said through the prophet Amos Amos 5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name: That constellation being spoke of with the seven stars is Pleides which is in the souther sky. It is a constellation os seven stars near Orion.. Here is the kicker.. the SEVENTH star CANNOT be seen WITHOUT a telescope.. It was not discovered UNTIL the telescope was invented.. but yet here is Amos.. talking about seven stars.... DISCERNMENT is key.. Not analytical minds.. not logical analysis.. not guesswork. Not filtering through our own fears and concerns.. DISCERNMENT... I don't think the issue has anything to do with speaking TO nations/people/kings. The question is what the purpose was. In the first few examples you gave, the purpose was for ppl to repent and to turn to God. The next few were in reference to what we need to prepare for and also about our Messiah. So, the question, which I keep going to is that this information was given in order to _______________________________. I believe AT said in reference to let us know that Obama will not fail. I saw it as that being the point and letting us know that we'll have a black woman president one day. So based on scriptures, what is the coorelation? Or is there one at all? Or, using what we know about prophesy according to the Word, is this particular prophecy, was it meant to edify, exhort or comfort? Side Note: I hope that you don't take that I'm being "mean", etc. I really am just having a discussion/discourse. Besides, I'm not authorized to "fight" with you. <<smile>> Did not JESUS Himself who is the Spirit of Prophecy while in the earth prophesy the destruction of the temple which didnt occur until 70AD... Did not GOD use John the Revelator to record the judgements upon the churches ?? Did not GOD use John the Revelator to record the judgements that would occur over the entire WORLD and reveal specfic significant world events ?? GOD hasnt stopped speaking prophetically.. people have stopped listening !!!! |
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Post by krazeeboi on Nov 2, 2009 13:24:33 GMT -5
you know when i read "prophecies" like these, to me they tend to fall more under the "predictions of men" category than the "prophecies of God" category. Why is that? Upon what basis do you say so? I'm curious. I should hope it's not because you don't like Obama. I suppose I'm not really trippin' here because I've been familiar with Kim Clement and his ministry for some time now so I know the way he flows. He's not a johnny-come-lately who just says what people want to hear. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 2, 2009 13:33:16 GMT -5
First of all for me I already KNOW Obama was GOD's choice.. so for me its not an issue.. But GOD reveals things so we can be PRAYERFUL.. we are taught to PRAY for our leaders.. even the ones we DONT like.. I coudnt stand Bush.. but I prayed to GOD that he would have wisdom to govern ( maybe I shoulda prayed harder on that one.. but I digress ) Secondly A person who has a gift of prophecy does not operate at the same dimension or scope as someone who is called of GOD to the OFFICE of a Prophet. One is a grace gift to the believer.. the OTHER is a fivefold ministry anointing and the reality is that it is one of the FOUNDATIONAL ministries of the Body of Christ.. (Apostle being the other one) Because that is the primary anointing of that office the scope of what GOD will reval and speak though that PROPHET of GOD will be of a greater dimension that that of the person who has the grace gift of prophecy. In my ministry there are some that are prophetic. But they do not minster and flow at the level of anointing of the Prophet of GOD of the house. Even the pastor who has a prophetic anointing doesnt flow at the same level because that is not his area. The problem is that today people believe that anyone who prophecies is a prophet which is NOT the case... Saul prophesied.. YET he was not a prophet... 1. I think that Obama being God's choice is a given for anyone that comes in power whether we agree or not is because that was God's choice. 2. Prayer for our leaders is important according to scripture. 3.I can agree that there is a difference between a person who operates as a prophet vs someone who at a given time may prophesy. But I don't know if I can agree that if two ppl have the same word, given by God but one isn't a "prophet", that would mean that one is operating on a greater dimension..... could you give an example? We may agree.... Modified: This is actually the first time I've actually did any research on who Kim Clements is/was. So I'm actually reading up on him now....and thanks to me reading this, I'm learning a lot more about who this man is...so for that, I'm grateful. Again IMO there is a difference in someone beings GOD's chosen. And I already know Obama is God's specific choice for this time. Some people have issue with that and I am resolved to allow the to have that issue because of one of several reasons 1) he was not THEIR choice 2) they dont like GOD's choice 3) They dont KNOW he is GOD's choice... I cant convince anyone so I dont try... I simply know what I know because I know what my GOD said to ME.. and I know HIS voice.. Now as far as the issue with the differences in prophetic anointings. Nikkol some things you are going to have to accept as fact and some things you are going to have to discover on your own through prayer and also experience.. There is no doubt that a person who is called to walk in the OFFICE ( or anointing ) of a prophet has a greater anointing and dimension to their gift from GOD that a person who is not called to that office. That just makes sense. The OFFICE is a SPECIFIC miniistry call BY GOD. It is a foundational ministry that carries with it a LOT of responsibility. That person is going to have to have a level of humility and character just to walk in the pressure of that anointing. They will need a close knit personall relationship with the Lord. And the Lord HIMSELF said He will do NOTHING in the earth until He reveals it FIRST to HIS SERVANTS.. The Prophets.. The person that walks in the office of a prophet is specifically anointed by GOD to walk at that level. Not every is called to that level. Not everyone has the grace to walk at that level. And because of that the scope and dimension of the things they will speak will be at a greater level.. Daniel spoke of thing s TWO THOUSAND YEARS before they came to pass.. because he walked in the office of a prophet.. Isaiah received SPECIFIC details about the birth and death of the Messiah 600 years before they came to pass because he walked in the office of a prophet... That kinds of revelation doesnt just fall on someone who is baptized in the Holy Spirit and has the grace gift of prophecy.. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 2, 2009 13:34:10 GMT -5
For me its not even about Kim Clement.. its about people understand the prophetic ministry of God.
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 2, 2009 13:37:14 GMT -5
Did not JESUS Himself who is the Spirit of Prophecy while in the earth prophesy the destruction of the temple which didnt occur until 70AD... Did not GOD use John the Revelator to record the judgements upon the churches ?? Did not GOD use John the Revelator to record the judgements that would occur over the entire WORLD and reveal specfic significant world events ?? GOD hasnt stopped speaking prophetically.. people have stopped listening !!!! There's no disagreement with anything here. Regarding the temple - I believe part of the purpose was because ppl had began to somewhat worship the temple and talk about how great the temple was with the nice stones, etc. Regarding John's revelation to the church, the purpose would appear to be that there were ppl that were doing some things good but there were other things that they needed to work on. Therefore, they/we were told to straighten ourselves out. We've been told about what will happen in the end, ie the tribulations the "seven year peace treaty". And even Jesus told us of things to look forward to. The purpose seemed to be to let us know that things are going to get worse, but in spite of the "worse" we need to hold on to God and not let these things sway us...but at the same time, we shouldn't see these things and just sit around waiting. The part that connects all of these things together is the importance of preparing ourselves....being ready to meet Him. So based on your examples, how does this relate to this particular prophecy? |
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Post by giantsdodie on Nov 2, 2009 13:47:56 GMT -5
Did not JESUS Himself who is the Spirit of Prophecy while in the earth prophesy the destruction of the temple which didnt occur until 70AD... Did not GOD use John the Revelator to record the judgements upon the churches ?? Did not GOD use John the Revelator to record the judgements that would occur over the entire WORLD and reveal specfic significant world events ?? GOD hasnt stopped speaking prophetically.. people have stopped listening !!!! There's no disagreement with anything here. Regarding the temple - I believe part of the purpose was because ppl had began to somewhat worship the temple and talk about how great the temple was with the nice stones, etc. Regarding John's revelation to the church, the purpose would appear to be that there were ppl that were doing some things good but there were other things that they needed to work on. Therefore, they/we were told to straighten ourselves out. We've been told about what will happen in the end, ie the tribulations the "seven year peace treaty". And even Jesus told us of things to look forward to. The purpose seemed to be to let us know that things are going to get worse, but in spite of the "worse" we need to hold on to God and not let these things sway us...but at the same time, we shouldn't see these things and just sit around waiting. The part that connects all of these things together is the importance of preparing ourselves....being ready to meet Him. So based on your examples, how does this relate to this particular prophecy? Nikkol it seems to me that you want this to have a PARTICULAR reason that fits within the scope pf your understanding and quite simply the only person who can answer that adequately enough for you will be GOD Himself. You have already received the answers... Prophecy comes to instruct.. to reveal.. to edify.. to comfort and to exhort... THATS the purpose... plain and simple... God can reveal.. what HE wants to reveal. when HE wants to reveal it. through WHOEVER He chooses.. and in all honesty as I said before.. GOD is speaking prophetically in MANY areas and in MANY at once... HE is not relegated to speaking ONLY about righteousness or holiness or only about church matters.. He has always done so.. and will continue to do so.. and we may not understand the what or why for a loooooooooooong time... Thats why what is important is DISCERNMENT... which is simply... GOD is this YOU speaking.. Now for the blunt part... I find that many saints have issues with prophecy because of several reasons.. 1) They dont understand it 2) It doesnt fit within their scope of reality of preconceived ideas and notions about a thing... 3) They think ALL prophecy should be confirmation ( WHICH IS ERROR ) so if THEY havent heard something said through the channels THEY know and trust then it cant be true or the most common one.. ESPECIALLY with saints 4) THEY ARE AFRAID.. mostly because they have been misled or seen other misled and instead of relying on the SPIRIT OF GOD to tell them what is TRUE ( and this is the Gift of Discernment ),, They dismiss immediately from fear of being misled... They tend to focus on the vessel than they do on JESUS to tell them if the word is true or not.. So the question I ask is.. Which one are you |
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 2, 2009 13:50:17 GMT -5
1. I think that Obama being God's choice is a given for anyone that comes in power whether we agree or not is because that was God's choice. 2. Prayer for our leaders is important according to scripture. 3.I can agree that there is a difference between a person who operates as a prophet vs someone who at a given time may prophesy. But I don't know if I can agree that if two ppl have the same word, given by God but one isn't a "prophet", that would mean that one is operating on a greater dimension..... could you give an example? We may agree.... Modified: This is actually the first time I've actually did any research on who Kim Clements is/was. So I'm actually reading up on him now....and thanks to me reading this, I'm learning a lot more about who this man is...so for that, I'm grateful. Again IMO there is a difference in someone beings GOD's chosen. And I already know Obama is God's specific choice for this time. Some people have issue with that and I am resolved to allow the to have that issue because of one of several reasons 1) he was not THEIR choice 2) they dont like GOD's choice 3) They dont KNOW he is GOD's choice... I cant convince anyone so I dont try... I simply know what I know because I know what my GOD said to ME.. and I know HIS voice.. Now as far as the issue with the differences in prophetic anointings. Nikkol some things you are going to have to accept as fact and some things you are going to have to discover on your own through prayer and also experience.. There is no doubt that a person who is called to walk in the OFFICE ( or anointing ) of a prophet has a greater anointing and dimension to their gift from GOD that a person who is not called to that office. That just makes sense. The OFFICE is a SPECIFIC miniistry call BY GOD. It is a foundational ministry that carries with it a LOT of responsibility. That person is going to have to have a level of humility and character just to walk in the pressure of that anointing. They will need a close knit personall relationship with the Lord. And the Lord HIMSELF said He will do NOTHING in the earth until He reveals it FIRST to HIS SERVANTS.. The Prophets.. The person that walks in the office of a prophet is specifically anointed by GOD to walk at that level. Not every is called to that level. Not everyone has the grace to walk at that level. And because of that the scope and dimension of the things they will speak will be at a greater level.. Daniel spoke of thing s TWO THOUSAND YEARS before they came to pass.. because he walked in the office of a prophet.. Isaiah received SPECIFIC details about the birth and death of the Messiah 600 years before they came to pass because he walked in the office of a prophet... That kinds of revelation doesnt just fall on someone who is baptized in the Holy Spirit and has the grace gift of prophecy.. I don't disagree that operating in the office of the prophet is a different level of responsibility. That wasn't the "difference" that I was indicating. Also, just for clarity, your belief is that a person that doesn't operate in the office of a prophet can't prophesy things that aren't in the near future? |
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Post by Nikkol on Nov 2, 2009 14:04:49 GMT -5
I actually don't fit into either of those 4.
As we study the word, my question has been using what we know of the Word of God, was this meant to exhort, edify or comfort? I thought that that has been the point I was trying to make....if that got lost in the shuffle, for that I apologize. Now regarding the other examples you gave, I can understand those and I tried to make sure in any response I understood why I understood that....and always came back to based on what you're saying, how does this relate? Or if it's just that it doesn't?
I do have an understanding of those operating in the office of a prophet vs those who have been annointed at a given time to speak a prophetic word....this being to a person/church/nation/etc. But even that wasn't the purpose/point of my question. And so when you kept giving examples of those who prophesied (which there was no argument with me regarding any of those) it still left, for me, my main question unanswered.
Did I not ask the question correctly? In other words, how could I've asked the question regarding if this prophecy was meant to exhort, edify or comfort? I couldn't see it and so I asked if anyone else saw what I didn't? Which of course is possible since we're all part of the body of Christ and none of us know everything.
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