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Post by giantsdodie on Jan 15, 2009 8:58:53 GMT -5
^So then, what would you say of all the saints that lost their lives on 9/11? Were they not hearing from God? Were they out of the will of God? I dont have that answer because GOD hasnt revealed to me the will of GOD about every single little detail regarding the lives of every saint that day.... It is up to GOD as to what He chooses to share and how much. But that doesnt change the fact that the Will of GOD is knowable and searchable both to individuals as well as to his plans and purposes on a broader level. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Jan 15, 2009 23:47:55 GMT -5
^And hence my point: knowing the will of God on a broader level can get murky.
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Post by giantsdodie on Jan 16, 2009 10:10:25 GMT -5
^And hence my point: knowing the will of God on a broader level can get murky. Krazee I dont see it that way. If you are syaing that MURKY means GOD will not necessarily share every little facet and every iota of information and every little detail then I can see why you are saying that from your point of view. However God has revealed His will on a broader level, He has done it in the Word of God and he continues to do it today. He might not reveal it to me or to you, but He can and He does. He can be quite specific and detailed as well. The well over 300 specific prophecies about Jesus to me is proof of that. I havent sought GOD about the details of every persons life that was lost at 9/11, nor has GOD shared those with me. However I can tell you that the moment it happened, God told me what it was going on. In fact when I saw it God began speaking immediately. I can even tell you that YEARS prior ( and I mean like five to six years prior ) I know several men of GOD who GOD commissioned to do a prayer walk around the World Trade Center at 3am in the morining. God reminded me about this prayer walk in the conversation I had with HIM on 9/11. I can tell you that I had several friends and family members that work there and God told me not to worry they would be ok. I can tell you that I know several people of GOD who were told specifically by the Spirit of GOD NOT to go to work that day. God is not confusing nor is His will confusing. Sometimes we operate on a need to know basis, but that doesnt change the fact that even on a broader level His will is knowable and I believe and I KNOW it can be without " murkiness " Now PEOPLE might murk it up.. but GOD aint murky.. God told me Obama would be elected long before the election. Reading the things that Kim Clements wrote confirmed that for me. Thats why I voted for him. God confirmed for me that Obama is his choice. God also told me on election night while watching the speech. He said you are looking at the last great American president. You will have presidents after him but none of them will be great leaders... Now God might not share every little facet of every little detail and every iota. But that doesnt mean that his Will is Murky in my opinion. Murky to me means cloudy and hard to see through. I just do see His will that way. |
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Post by krazeeboi on Jan 17, 2009 10:26:19 GMT -5
Here's what I mean by "murky." The Bible says "with long life will I satisfy thee" and the measure of man's years are threescore and ten, and by reasons of strength fourscore. So we've got promises to lay claim to concerning long life for the saints. Yet there were saints in those twin towers and on those planes that didn't reach their threescore and ten or fourscore years. Are we to say that it was because of some sin in their life? Attributing the shortening of their lives to the evil in the heart of the terrorists and man's free will doesn't work either. We can't know all the details about God's plan and we don't know how this is working out in God's economy, but we rest in the fact that all things are working for good. This is what I'm referring to.
You bring up the prophecies concerning Jesus, which is good because it illustrates my point perfectly. Men lied about Jesus, gave false testimonies, mocked Him, etc.--all of this led up to His crucifixion. We know that all these things were sin. Yet the Bible said that these things were ordained by God to be so. If you've got that one figured out, you're better than me.
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Post by atruewomenofgod on Jan 17, 2009 21:11:36 GMT -5
That is something to think about....no one could really say if they were or not.
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Post by atruewomenofgod on Jan 17, 2009 21:29:02 GMT -5
Ok so get me straight here....are you saying that because man has free will that God permitted the 9/11 thing to happen? I know that God permitts, but he doesn't commission it.
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