HEALING..... God at Work

[atruewomenofgod]

Some Christians who need healing have said, and I have heard with my own ears, "quote unquote..."Maybe God put this sickness on me for some purpose" or He's teaching some one a lesson by punishing that person with some kind of sickessness or deseases.

To your knowledge did Jesus ever put sickness on anyone? In the Word when people came to Him for healing, did He ever turn anyone away saying, "No, it's not my will. Jesus, went about doing good and healing the sick. This is one of the reason why people believe the way they do because from the natural standpoint, it is difficult for people to understand that most of the laws governing this earth today came into being through the fall of man when Adam sinned and the curse came upon the earth and some don't understand this. And because they don't understand they begin to accuse God of accidents, sickness, and the death of a loved ones. And so are we saying that God is the author of any of these things?

People also blame God for the storms, catastrophes, earthquakes, and floods that occur and its funny how some insurance policies call these the "acts of God" All of these natural laws as we understand them were set aside by Jesus, whenever necessary, in order to bless humanity. Bear in mind that Jesus said, "He that has seen Me has seen the Father" (John 14:). Well, ask yourself this DO YOU SEE JESUS BRINGING ANY STORMS ON PEOPLE OR DO YOU SEE HIM CALMING THE STORMS!

We all know the story about Jesus rebuking the storm on the Sea of Galilee was this the work of God or was it the work of Satan? think about this before answering who is really the cause of the storms, earthquakes, sickness, the accident that occur and so forth. NOTE: if any of these things were the act of God "why would Jesus rebuke something that God did?

[krazeeboi]

I believe that God put natural laws in place to govern the natural world, and in that sense, storms, etc. are acts of God. We definitely know from scripture that God uses things like storms, floods, famine, pestilence, etc. as instruments of judgment.

[atruewomenofgod]

And I believe that God permit things to happen out of disobedience so you are right Krazeeboi and it is scripture. But I am really concern about how people thinks when it comes to blaming God for things thats not His fault. And hear me out all because I really want to discuss this issue not to debate or push anything on anyone. I just have a problem with people saying that God causes sickness or desease to get their attention and what i have seen in the word it is not so. So all i am asking is that i would like to hear others in put on this.

Krazeeboi....i don't believe that God is the author of mess and then Jesus turn around and rebuke what His father has done that is hard to swallow. Yes there are some cases in the Word where people was sick and with desease etc. but was it out of disobedience? of course God does permit these things to happen but I don't believe that God commission things to happen I truely believe that things are the work of Satan. We know that originally Adam (so of speake) the god of this world. God made the world and the fullness thereof (Ps.89:11). Then the word says that He made man and said "I give you the authority to rule this earth and you are the one who dominates." Although Adam sold us out,"he didn't have the moral right to do it,but he had the legal right, because the earth was his.....God put it into his hands.

And now the Bible tells us that now Satan is the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4) after Adam sinned. I don't won't anyone to think that I am talking a bunch of junk but people are confused when it comes to God at Work. We hear a lot of unscriptural ideas, such as God's got everything and he's under control and if He is in control this world wouldn't be in the mess that its in. So I don't believe that God is in control of this earth right now. HERE ME OUT AND PLEASE DON'T GET UNSET...JUST HERE ME OUT. Yes someday God will have control over everything and we wouldn't have to worry about all this mess that's going on right now.

I just can't believe that when things happen that those things are the work of God...I believe that He permitts or grant certain power to carry out a particular task or duty to the god of this world. Just like when we were little and some of us has stolen candy or bigger things...I have, God permitted this to happen but He didn't commission it. He even will permit you to rob a gas station, but He won't commission you to do it. The point that I am getting at is that we cause things to happen to ourself out of disobedience. When Satan is finally eliminated from the earth, there will be nothing that will hurt or destroy us. The bible says that the enemy is out to kill, steal, and destroy. You may ask, well what does this have to do with Healing....believe me a whole lot. I just want christian to see that He is not the cause of any sickness or desease, any stroms,etc.

One more thing I also hear alot that people misquote this scripture Heb 12:6 "Whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth" Uhhh..it doesn't say whom He loveth He makes sick. The word "chasten" in the Greek means to child train or to educate. God doesn't use sickness and disease to teach His Chrildren a lesson. "But God made Job sick" No...God gave the devil permission He didn't commission it. The bible is plain about why sickness came upon Job. Job said........"the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me" (Job 3:25) so Job open up the door to the devil by being afraid. I am going to stop right now and let you all respond
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[krazeeboi]

I think you're being a bit too soft when you say that God "permits" some things to happen sometimes because of disobedience. The Bible clearly shows that in many (not all, but many) cases, God is actually the direct author of calamity, many times in response to sin, and that He takes full credit for it:

"And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague." (Num. 11:33)

"And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague." (Judges 20:35)

"And it came to pass about ten days after, that the LORD smote Nabal, that he died." (1 Sam. 25:38)

"And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick." (2 Sam. 12:15)

"Neither did Jeroboam recover strength again in the days of Abijah: and the LORD struck him, and he died." (2 Chron. 13:20)

I could go on and on for days about this. This Word of Faith doctrine has totally stripped God of His sovereignty, painting the picture that man and Satan are holding God hostage over His own universe! This entire thing is orchestrated by God. NOTHING took God by surprise. It's all a part of His plan, whether we fully comprehend it or not. But one thing I will not do is allow my emotions to dictate my theology. God is control of EVERYTHING:

"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" (Daniel 4:35)

"In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" (Eph. 1:11)

If God was not truly the one in control, He would have no authority to permit Satan to wreak his havoc. Satan IN NO WAY has God's hands tied as it relates to what he can and cannot do. If God says NO, then Satan cannot do it. Satan's power is delegated and limited. God's power is inherent and infinite.

Now, do not interpret all of this to mean that I believe that God puts sickness on saints to teach them a lesson. I believe sickness happens for many reasons, and that we might even learn some things in sickness, but this does not mean that it came about due to the agency of God.

[atruewomenofgod]

But wouldn't you agree that He does permit things to happen and not commission it? No way am I trying to undermind you at all and like I said before I am studying on faith to get a better understanding for myself. And the main points that it points out is that God doesn't commission any act but He does permits it. Just like I made a statement about the storm. If God permitted the storm to rise up and the disciples awoke Jesus and Jesus rebuke the wind. "why would Jesus rebuke something that His Father did? And yes you are right about God having control over everything of this world and He can say enough is enough at any moment. But do you think that God is behind all thats going on in this world? Or is He permitting things to happen in the hands of the enemy. There is a big difference in permitting and commissioning. Ps 89:11 says that God gave man the authority and to dominates what was given to him. No, I am not saying that God is still not in control because you made a point that he can stop all this junk just by saying a word and I totally believe that.

You do believe that Adam sold us out to the devil because of sin? (2 Cor 4:4) and because of sin Adam who had the authority to rule this earth is now in the hands of satan and only after adam sin was this world given to satan. And surely you can agree that this to is all in God's plans. Krazeeboi, what I'm trying to get Christian to see is that when we look at things in the nature eye we miss out on a lot because we tend to miss a lot. Yes God's got everything under control but its according to how we mean it. Once again if God is running everything wouldn't you agree that He has everything a mess. Just hear me out when all is done when Jesus come back and there will be a new earth and heaven we wouldn't have to worry about any mess such as killing, sickness, etc because God will be fully in control and satan will be where he is sent for good. We wouldn't have to worry about him (satan) coming out to kill, steal, and destroy or roaming this earth to and fro seeking out whom he can devour. I totally hear what you are saying but in order for us christian to believe that our healing is based on how strong our faith is we have to believe also that God is not the author of making christian suffer from sickness or desease. Because Matt 8:17 says and you know this that Jesus took our infirmities,and bare our sicknesses (meaning) to me that because Jesus did this I am already healed from any sickness or deseases. The bible says that Jesus purchased healing for us in the plan of redemption through His death, burial, and resurrection. so why should I suffer from any illnes that may come upon me? I DON'T HAVE TO its what comes out of our mouth that causes things to happen to us especially when we begin to say Lord if its your will to heal me let it be done. Would we say to a sinner...IF ITS THE LORD'S WILL FOR YOU TO BE SAVE? no we wouldn't as Christian say that because it is God's will we are already saved by grace it is a free gift to us.

So what's the point in all of this...the point is that I want people to see that God is not the one who makes people sick. Sickness and deseases comes from the enemy and once we see that he is the author then we can learn to fight the enemy instead of blaming God for it. Until our minds are renewed with the Word of God, we won't understand that Satan is the author of sickness and disease, and everything that he destroys. One more thing in the book of John 10:10 it state that anything which kills or destroys is from the enemy and that satan will be finally eliminated from the earth, the law of sin and death will stop functioning and there will be nothing that will hurt or destroy us again (Isa. 65:25)

[Jasmine]

I believe that God allows sickness to afflict a person, for many reasons, and not all can be attributed to sin or disobedience. Some are for the sole purpose of God's work being made to manifest in that person life. Like the blind man found in John 9:1-3.

[atruewomenofgod]

The key word is allow....and you are right about that because there are several occassion in the bible that this has happen including Job. The point that I am trying to make is that God allows but is He the author of sickness. Jasmine the reason why I am trying to make it clear is because of people faith in healing. If we believe that God is not the author of sickness and believe who the true enemy is behind sickness we can stop doubting what God can do and stop saying that phase of "if its God's will" because it is His will. I don't believe that God put sickness on His people, only because HIs Son died for our sickness and our deseases. It is not in God's will for Christain to be sick especially if we believe that He is a healer. But its our frame of thinking is what holds us back from our healings. Its not that we don't believe its how we put our faith in action. The bible said that Jesus went about doing good healing those who was with sickness and desease and those who was oppress of the devil.

James 1:17 says the every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Meaning that sickness and disease could not be good gifts, because sickness and disease don't come down from Heaven. It would be impossible because there's no sickness or disease in heaven and this goes back to the Lord's Prayer......"THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN"

Now if its the will of God for His people to be sick here on earth then it would have to be His will for them to be sick in heaven. Matt 8:17 Jesus himself took our infirmities and bare our sickness. Isaiah 53:4-5, says this surely He hath borne our griefs and carried ur sorrows yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgression, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upoon him and with his stripes we are healed. Now, griefs and sorrows in Hebrews means sickness and diseases. In my closeing we have three witness Isaish 53:4,5, Matt 8:17, and 1 Peter 2:24 tell us not only that Jesus shed His blood for the remission of our sins but that with His Stripes, we were healed to me this is speaking in the pass. I just see and hear people who have faith but yet instill they don't have faith. I just want people to see what God can really do for them just by believing in exercising their faith a little more than what they do.
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