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Post by Rachel2 on May 13, 2009 10:15:09 GMT -5
Right, it's just a show! Yolanda Adams has a syndicated morning show that airs in this region M-F at 6 a.m. One morning she was talking about being in concert some place and how George Clinton, the Father of Funkadelic Funk, told her how good she sound and how the world USE to borrow music from the church, but now the CHURCH is borrowing music from the world. The most disturbing thing about his statement to me was the fact that she took it as a compliment. She was very proud that he said this to her. That's how far the church has moved away from the truth. That's a WHOLE different topic because one of the main "culprits" of what would be considered bringing the world music in the church was Thomas Dorsey.... tho I doubt most ppl now would think that "Precious Lord" is a worldly song..... or would we...... LOL. Added here to not start a separate posts: What are we using as the indicator that a preacher has repented? Does it have to be over the "airwaves"? If his sin was made public knowledge, then so should his restoration. It's called "accountability." Notice I didn't say that he had to confess his sin publicly, but he should in all decency let the public know that he has repented to God and been restored by his overseer. Bottomline is if he had gotten his stuff together in private, then we (the public) would never have known anything about it. Personally, I am not interested in anybody's dirty little secrets, but when they are plastered all over the media, like it or not, I am exposed to it. Therefore, the restoration should be public. IMO, this is the reason we have so many repeat offenders if you will. There are no consequences associated with the sin. Like children when they do things they are not suppose to and no discipline follows the act, they continue to do the things they are not suppose to do. |
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Post by Rachel2 on May 13, 2009 10:31:01 GMT -5
BTW, Jamal Bryant was here 2 weeks ago preaching at a conference. Of course I had no intention of going to hear him talk about anything (unless it was to say that he had repented before God and that his overseer had restored him to ministry). But amazingly many Holy Ghost filled, supposedly walking in the word saints did go and said he did an awesome job. Makes me say ummmmmm? Question: Are you saying that based upon his past that he couldn't do an awesome job or that based on his past those with the spirit of G-d shouldn't have gone to hear him? First, I have a question for you. Why are you spelling God as G-d? Unless you mean to spell something else. Based on the fact that there seemed to be no consequences for his actions, those with the spirit of GOD should not have gone to hear him. If you strive to live by the word of God, how can you follow, listen to or sit under someone who you know has blatantly committed sin and makes no effort to let you know they have repented and been restored.? |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on May 13, 2009 10:38:26 GMT -5
In the case of Thomas Weeks not only did he divorce this woman he also "hit / beat down" this woman in a very public place and it was aired all over the airwaves for ALL to see.....so in that case yes he needs to make a public apology and than proceed in his ministry....because not only did Weeks sin he broke the law.....Assault and Battery is against the law..... Yes and that was his SECOND divorce and now here he is seemingly about to marry for the THIRD time " in Christ" ! THAT is what bothers me most about this whole sorid ordeal. |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on May 13, 2009 10:52:27 GMT -5
If his sin was made public knowledge, then so should his restoration. It's called "accountability." Notice I didn't say that he had to confess his sin publicly, but he should in all decency let the public know that he has repented to God and been restored by his overseer. Yes, I grew up in a holiness church (Apostolic) and if your fall was public and brought shame and scandal to the house of God your "silencing" admittance and eventual repentance was also public, right up front before the whole house of God!!!! See, we strayed away from that and now there is no accountability AT ALL for ANYTHING that ANYONE does, whether they're a leader or a layman/laywoman!!! |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on May 13, 2009 11:10:53 GMT -5
All I can say is Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. I just seen the lady and no it is NOT Juanita. I didn't catch her name but I do know she preaches, she's light skinned has long hair and is younger than him. Still not sure if they are married yet. My observations about this description are more about her age and the fact that she preaches and less about her complexion and the length of her hair. She's YOUNGER THAN HIM (one reason why maybe she's seeing him, maybe naive, just a thought, I have no proof of this). She PREACHES (that use to mean something back in the day, like maybe she was a spiritual, mature and sound, woman of God but nowadays ANYBODY can jump up and preach, so that doesn't tell us much either). But again these are just my own thoughts, no proof or evidence, but one thing I do know TIME WILL TELL. |
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Post by Nikkol on May 13, 2009 14:32:32 GMT -5
Question: Are you saying that based upon his past that he couldn't do an awesome job or that based on his past those with the spirit of G-d shouldn't have gone to hear him? First, I have a question for you. Why are you spelling God as G-d? Unless you mean to spell something else. Based on the fact that there seemed to be no consequences for his actions, those with the spirit of GOD should not have gone to hear him. If you strive to live by the word of God, how can you follow, listen to or sit under someone who you know has blatantly committed sin and makes no effort to let you know they have repented and been restored.? I usually don't write it totally out. Just something I had read once when reading some Jewish sites. So I usually don't write out G-d or L-rd, etc. that's all. I honestly wouldn't be able to talk specifically about his consequences (moreso cuz I don't know him on that level). But I do know that just because I can't see the consequences doesn't mean that there weren't any. I am BY NO MEANS condoning what was stated. (I didn't pay much attention to the rumors because I know that ppl can lie and I stay out of that kind of thing). But thinking about this (out loud) what determines if one has repented? Is it the fact that they went in front of the church (like in old school) and said "I'm sorry"? Is it that they are "sat down" for a period of time? What is public restoration? When do we cover or help? Or do we tend to always throw stones at ppl that commit the 2-3 what we would call the BIGGEST issues: fornication, adultery, homosexuality? In other words, what is/should be the rule of thumb? |
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Post by anointedteacher on May 13, 2009 20:15:04 GMT -5
First, I have a question for you. Why are you spelling God as G-d? Unless you mean to spell something else. Based on the fact that there seemed to be no consequences for his actions, those with the spirit of GOD should not have gone to hear him. If you strive to live by the word of God, how can you follow, listen to or sit under someone who you know has blatantly committed sin and makes no effort to let you know they have repented and been restored.? I usually don't write it totally out. Just something I had read once when reading some Jewish sites. So I usually don't write out G-d or L-rd, etc. that's all. I honestly wouldn't be able to talk specifically about his consequences (moreso cuz I don't know him on that level). But I do know that just because I can't see the consequences doesn't mean that there weren't any. I am BY NO MEANS condoning what was stated. (I didn't pay much attention to the rumors because I know that ppl can lie and I stay out of that kind of thing). But thinking about this (out loud) what determines if one has repented? Is it the fact that they went in front of the church (like in old school) and said "I'm sorry"? Is it that they are "sat down" for a period of time? What is public restoration? When do we cover or help? Or do we tend to always throw stones at ppl that commit the 2-3 what we would call the BIGGEST issues: fornication, adultery, homosexuality? In other words, what is/should be the rule of thumb? You have to realize that Weeks denied the incident and lied to the public over and over again.... He gave a weak apology in court to JB, but never to the church. It appear, he was never sorry for what he done or take any responsibility. At least say, I was angry and lost my temper, I am sorry for what I have done, not a bunch of lies.... A group of pastors told him to sit down, and he didn't.... I don't think he have an overseer, no accountability.... |
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Post by vin on May 14, 2009 10:27:04 GMT -5
It's becoming more and more common now a days that pastors don't seem to answer to anybody. Outside of organized denominations, where pastors become non denominational there is no one who can come in and say, "you need to sit down for a while".
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Post by Rachel2 on May 14, 2009 11:57:49 GMT -5
If his sin was made public knowledge, then so should his restoration. It's called "accountability." Notice I didn't say that he had to confess his sin publicly, but he should in all decency let the public know that he has repented to God and been restored by his overseer. Yes, I grew up in a holiness church (Apostolic) and if your fall was public and brought shame and scandal to the house of God your "silencing" admittance and eventual repentance was also public, right up front before the whole house of God!!!! See, we strayed away from that and now there is no accountability AT ALL for ANYTHING that ANYONE does, whether they're a leader or a layman/laywoman!!! Exactly...... |
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Post by Rachel2 on May 14, 2009 12:25:41 GMT -5
It's becoming more and more common now a days that pastors don't seem to answer to anybody. Outside of organized denominations, where pastors become non denominational there is no one who can come in and say, "you need to sit down for a while". This is true. But, I do believe that if you were ever taught and practiced holiness whether you have an overseer or not, YOU know how to sit yourself down when you have sinned or your life does not line up with the word. I say this because I have done it. I am a licensed Evangelist and at one time I was between churches because of incidents that happened inside the chruch (but that's really not the point). The point is while I was between churches I know that I was doing "things" that were not holy. So, when the Lord finally led me to the church where I am now, I didn't go in telling them that I was anything other than trying to be saved. I immediately went to work in the church food pantry every week serving the hungry, destitute, crack heads, alcoholics, etc. with joy. As well as anything else I could do. After being a member of the church for one year, the Lord blessed me to start an online ministry. During that one year period, through repentance fasting and prayer and having another evangelist praying and counseling me, the Lord restored me to ministry. I know it was the Lord because someone "offered" this opportunity to me. I was not looking for it or thinking about. And it was at this point that I knew I needed to let my pastor know that I was a preacher. Because I didn't want him to find out from someone else. When I told him he was very surprised and asked me why I had not told him before. When I explained to him that I was taught if your life is not lining up with the word of God, then you need to go somewhere and sit down, pray yourself together and let God restore you before you stand before HIS people and try to tell them anything. He told me this was the "old fashion" way of doing things, it shows that I have integrity and that he was proud to be my pastor. When he made the announcement to the congregation they were all shocked that I had never said anything. He told them that he has the utmost respect for me and my ministry because I didn't come in telling him that I was evangelist so-in-so who had graduated from----bible college, but I came in serving. Whether you have an overseer in the flesh or not.....God is the ultimate overseer and EVERYBODY is accountable to Him. BTW, when he made the announcement to the congregation he also gave me room to speak. And I told them the same thing I had told him privately, "I was taught if your life is not lining up with the word of God, then you need to go somewhere and sit down, pray yourself together and let God restore you before you stand before HIS people and try to tell them anything." Notice I did not go into detail about what I was doing that was wrong, all they needed to know was that I had a problem, I had repented and God has restored me. Personally, I expect nothing less from any man or woman of God who holds the tiltle of pastor, bishop, evangelist, teacher, etc. Make your restoration PUBLIC knowledge. I also think the more public your ministry is, the more crucial this becomes because your actions are affecting the lives of millions. |
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Post by anointedteacher on May 14, 2009 12:38:19 GMT -5
Stay away from these pastors, ministers and churches that have no accountabilities, overseers, noone to answer to.... anything and everything goes....
I wonder if he would have listen to his own dad and grandfather, if they have said sit down! He have ministers that could have taken his place and his financial needs would still have been met.
His new wife deserves whatever come her way, including a beatdown... she already know what he is capable of doing, and what happen in both previous marriages.
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on May 14, 2009 13:34:09 GMT -5
His new wife deserves whatever come her way, including a beatdown... she already know what he is capable of doing, and what happen in both previous marriages. As both a child and adult survivor of domestic violence, and as someone now certified in the field of domestic violence and working with those in a shelter for abused women and children I find this comment to be both tasteless, insensitive and very offensive. NO WOMAN deserves a "beatdown" whether she is aware of an abuser's past or not!!!!! |
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Post by anointedteacher on May 14, 2009 22:14:18 GMT -5
His new wife deserves whatever come her way, including a beatdown... she already know what he is capable of doing, and what happen in both previous marriages. As both a child and adult survivor of domestic violence, and as someone now certified in the field of domestic violence and working with those in a shelter for abused women and children I find this comment to be both tasteless, insensitive and very offensive. NO WOMAN deserves a "beatdown" whether she is aware of an abuser's past or not!!!!! I don't..... If you know a person have a problem and might not be fully delivered from their violent ways... you are asking for it.... He was abusive to wife 1 and 2... whats make this one different. If you know a dog (not calling Weeks a dog) bites and know he have bitten 3 or 4 ppl, why go out of your way to mess with the dog .. knowing he might bite you too.... A lady I used to work with ... lived with this guy for several years had 2 kids.... The guy never work , tear up every apartments they lived, she had to move from place to place, because he caused her to be evicted. He is on drugs, call her a b----- and curse her out in front of her friends, for nothing, call her little boy a n---- , very disrespectful, Beat her down, tore up her rental car, while her car was in the shop. After all he have done ... She married him!!! No... he didn't change... she got what she deserve, cause she didn't have to marry him and knew he is no good.. |
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Post by krazeeboi on May 15, 2009 0:41:16 GMT -5
As blind as the new Mrs. Weeks may be, she does not deserve to be physically abused. Yes, she may be putting herself in harm's way, but it is still WEEKS who has the problem, not her.
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Post by nina2 on May 15, 2009 4:30:10 GMT -5
Amen to that!
There is more than one thing that "bothers" me - that's putting it mildly - in this kind of threads.... I know that it is near to impossible to stop news from coming in, no matter how it is delivered. However, I think that - especially as believers - we have the power to decide what we do with it, how it affects us and others.
The main reason why this one especially bothers me, is because from the very beginning (and it is the same pattern every time...) most of what is said, basically, carries some type of statement that, to me, equates to a curse.. THAT bothers me!
And, for that part, it does not matter to me who the person spoken of/about is, how known or not they are. What do we know about this lady (yes, I said "lady"...)? Nothing, really, except for what is just assumed because of the fact that, apparently, she is in a relationship with this other person, and boy, do we - general - know about him so, for sure now, she must.. and she is.... and for sure.... and did you know... And it goes back to the flood, rekindles everything that happened (or at least is deemed to have happened) and then what? It's still nothing but gossip and slander.
There are already so many curses that have been spoken about both of them, I wonder why would they even try?? How can we (general again...) turn around and talk about prayer and restoration, let alone say that we pray for this or that on their behalf??
I am not exempt of sometimes just talking without thinking, but I do want to be aware of certain things all the times, and that's one of them. So, this is not about me trying to be "holier" than anybody on any level. I do believe that, whatever wisdom we have be given, we do need to exercise it in what we say....
I am just sharing those writings because they do make some very sobering statements on gossip and it's consequences, according to God's word:
Negative Commandment 301
It is forbidden to gossip
Leviticus 19:16 "You shall not go around as a tale-bearer among your people"
But It's True...
There are conceptions of morality expounded in Torah that are all but unknown to other peoples, defects recognized by Torah and deprecated if not totally ignored by others. This Torah portion discusses at length the affliction called tzora'at, commonly translated as "leprosy." The sages describe this affliction as the punishment for loshon hara, an evil tongue.
There are laws of slander and libel in the secular codes. However, so long as one takes care to make only provable statements, no matter how vicious and harmful his words, he is immune to legal punishments. Not even social sanctions are exercised against him. How often people justify malicious gossip that's "just too good to keep" with the acceptable explanation that the slander is true? Disparaging other people, gratuitously discussing their faults simply for the "pleasure" involved -- these are forcefully and constantly denounced in the Torah. (Of course all this does not apply in situations like testimony in a court of law.)
The Torah goes still further. Besides forbidding the Jew to speak evil of another, and even to hint at another's shortcomings, it is actually forbidden to listen to evil talk. The passive listener who doesn't utter a word is committing a sin.
The Power of the Spoken Word
Did you know that it is possible for a person to be murdered and not even know about it, even carrying on life as usual?
How can this be? This Torah reading speaks of the affliction known as tzaraat. The commentators explain that tzaraat was a punishment for the transgression of speaking lashon hara. Lashon hara, which translated literally means "the evil tongue" or "evil speech," includes slander, gossip and rumors, amongst other things.
As the old British wartime adage goes, "Careless talk costs lives." The Talmud relates in the name of Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachmani: "Why is the evil tongue called a thrice-slaying tongue? Because it kills three people: the person speaking, the person spoken to, and the person being spoken about." It may not kill them physically, but it is character assassination.
Maimonides adds a further dimension--sometimes a person may say something that is not quite slander or gossip. Yet, as his statement passes from person to person, it eventually does cause harm, trouble, fright or hurt to the party being spoken about.
For example, even praising a person, if done in front of that person's enemy who is liable to react negatively, could come under the category of slander or gossip.
The Orchot Tzadikim ("Ways of the Righteous") comments that, "Before you speak, you are the master of your words. After you speak, your words master you." How often we feel imprisoned by our own words after we have said something that we wish we hadn't or know we shouldn't have.
The Midrash relates that Rabbi Shimon ben Gamliel asked his servant, Tevi, to buy him something good from the market. The servant returned with some tongue. Rabbi Shimon then asked his servant to buy something bad from the market. The servant returned with more tongue. "How can this be? I asked you to buy something good, you bought tongue -- I asked you to buy something bad, you also bought tongue?" "It has good and bad--when it is good, it has a lot of goodness. When it is bad, it is very bad."
We speak thousands of words every day. Words have enormous power. May we merit to use them only for good purposes.
How to Not Listen
By Tzvi Freeman
As ugly as it is to gossip about another's uglier deeds, it is even a greater crime to pay attention to such gossip.
But it is hard to tell someone, "Quiet! I don't want to listen." So think about this:
There will be a time when an angel will wish to report on your doings here on earth. As a person behaves here below, so he is treated from above. If you have had the guts to respond this way, God will also say, "Quiet! I don't want to even listen!"
I just truly believe that carelessness in our speech causes so much harm, not only to others, but to our own self. I just know that, because of that, there are many "lepers" walking around, and who have been walking around for a long time, often not understanding the reason for their affliction(s), and all it takes is what comes out of our mouth, either against our own self, or against others...
Numbers - Chapter 12
1. Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses regarding the Cush - ite woman he had married, for he had married a Cush - ite woman.
2. They said, "Has the Lord spoken only to Moses? Hasn't He spoken to us too?" And the Lord heard.
3. Now this man Moses was exceedingly humble, more so than any person on the face of the earth.
4. The Lord suddenly said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, "Go out, all three of you, to the Tent of Meeting!" And all three went out.
5. The Lord descended in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the Tent. He called to Aaron and Miriam, and they both went out.
6. He said, "Please listen to My words. If there be prophets among you, the Lord will make Myself known to him in a vision; I will speak to him in a dream.
7. Not so is My servant Moses; he is faithful throughout My house.
8. With him I speak mouth to mouth; in a vision and not in riddles, and he beholds the image of the Lord. So why were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses ?
9. The wrath of the Lord flared against them and He left.
10. The cloud departed from above the Tent, and behold, Miriam was afflicted with tzara'ath, [as white] as snow. Then Aaron turned to Miriam and behold, she was afflicted with tzara'ath.
11. Aaron said to Moses, "Please, master, do not put sin upon us for acting foolishly and for sinning.
12. Let her not be like the dead, which comes out of his mother's womb with half his flesh consumed!"
13. Moses cried out to the Lord, saying, "I beseech you, God, please heal her."
14. The Lord replied to Moses, "If her father were to spit in her face, would she not be humiliated for seven days? She shall be confined for seven days outside the camp, and afterwards she may enter.
15. So Miriam was confined outside the camp for seven days, and the people did not travel until Miriam had entered.
16. Then the people departed from Hazeroth, and they camped in the desert of Paran.
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