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Post by Nikkol on Jul 1, 2009 9:59:02 GMT -5
From a previous discussion a statement was made that I thought we could discuss:
Are we saying that G-d will take someone out who makes a decision because they don't have a mind to live saved? And if this is the case, then other's would feel like they got the "raw end of the deal". Esp. those family members that had saved loved ones that at the end of their life turned away from G-d.
Just need some clarification. This would somewhat sound like a "new gospel"... but before I make that verdict, I want to get some clarification.
Side Note: This is NOT saying that the person wasn't saved but rather if saying that them not being able to have a mind to live saved should be the reason for G-d bringing one home.
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 1, 2009 11:06:13 GMT -5
I believe God aswered by prayer when I asked Him to save her no matter what it take for her to make it to heaven... Just like He have answer many others who prayed for a lost love one, I was move perfect.
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Post by kitty on Jul 1, 2009 17:52:21 GMT -5
I thought that once you are saved then you stay saved unless you go and renounce God or the Holy Ghost?
I agree Nikkol...this sounds like "new gospel" LOL
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 1, 2009 21:39:12 GMT -5
I thought that once you are saved then you stay saved unless you go and renounce God or the Holy Ghost? I agree Nikkol...this sounds like "new gospel" LOL Kitty NO.... I do believe in once saved always saved doctrine... you can backslide that's Bible.... nothing new... that why those who endures to the end shall be saved... ppl have fallen from grace, but never denounced God. |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 2, 2009 5:55:00 GMT -5
This may turn into a Cal/Arm debate/discussion.
For some reason I was thinking of this thread as I was preparing for work this morning. As I was pondering, what kept coming to me is that our God is not a "cookie cutter" God. The way He does something for one, He may not do for another. Remember, His ways our not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.
I don't believe that by AT sharing the testimony of her sister coming to the Lord that she is trying to introduce a new gospel but that the Lord gave her a Rhema word at that particular time for her particular situation for that particular person. I don't believe she is trying to communicate that this is what God is saying for all people and therefore should be doctrine.
Yes, we know her sister was ill but we don't know why at that particular moment God chose to end her life - we rejoice in the fact that her sister had a chance to give her life to the Lord. This is why we MUST use wisdom and timing in what we share. I remember when I received the word of the Lord to move to SC. Many people said it was of the devil and not His will. However, the Lord spoke to me when I arrived here and said, "If Abraham went and told everyone that I told Him to sacrifice his son Isaac, it would have been said that it wasn't of Me as well." Since that time, I now try to use wisdom in when and what to share concerning my journey to this land (though sometimes I miss it). When people ask me why I moved South, I don't always have to say "because the Lord told me to." I can say, "because it was time for a change, time for a fresh start and time to get away from what was familiar to me."
So AT, I rejoice with you that your sis came to know the Lord before her life ended on this earth. I know you weren't trying to introduce a new Gospel (for there is no "new" one) but use wisdom when you share this testimony.
God Bless.
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Post by giantsdodie on Jul 2, 2009 7:52:12 GMT -5
I just want to know are we saying once saved always saved... cause I cant get with that one...
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 2, 2009 9:08:29 GMT -5
I just want to know are we saying once saved always saved... cause I cant get with that one... No, I am not saying that at all. I mentioned the Cal/Arm debate because it seemed that is where others were going but I didn't read that into AT's post at all. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 2, 2009 12:21:41 GMT -5
I just want to know are we saying once saved always saved... cause I cant get with that one... No, I am not saying that at all. I mentioned the Cal/Arm debate because it seemed that is where others were going but I didn't read that into AT's post at all. Thank U... cuz I ddn't want to get in to the OSAS debate... No one understand How God work... there are no limits in Him. |
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Post by Nikkol on Jul 2, 2009 13:01:28 GMT -5
Not even sure where the OSAS even got mentioned in the thread....lol
But since you asked......... j/k. LOL. It's all good.
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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 5, 2009 20:12:42 GMT -5
At one of our holy convocations back in 1994 in Philadelphia, I remember our international missionary department president giving her annual address, and she mentioned how at one time she was praying for the salvation of her loved ones, and God did hear her prayers and saved them; however, it seemed that shortly thereafter, they died. She was like, "God, what's going on? Everytime my loved one gets saved, they die." She said that God said, "Well, you did ask me to save them before it was too late, didn't you?"
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Jul 6, 2009 5:40:28 GMT -5
yes kb, i remember that convention, i was there, now i'm asking myself why is that so much more acceptable to me than the andre & sandra crouch/michael jackson story? (i mean when the story first broke cause now they have clarified that he did not accept christ, only that they shared christ) i know, my issues, not yours, just asking the question to myself out loud.
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Post by Nikkol on Jul 6, 2009 9:03:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we don't have anything scripturally indicating a "death bed confession".
For me, it's better to not even take that chance because I think that it can possibly create more "questions". Like what makes God choose to take some ppl before they go back into the world while yet others, had they've been taken when they first got saved wouldn't have gone back in the world? Or if you know you're about to die how does one's heart genuinely turn to Christ vs. not wanting the penalty of death without him (ie hell)? Or if you did make that decision, wouldn't you have a chance to share that with others? ( looking at it from the perspective that even in the story of the ethiopian who in the midst of a desert was able to find water to be baptized). Additionally, if one were to "teach" that, it's possible that many would possibly wait till they're close to the end having that mindset rather than that they ust be changed and be a witness to others.
Either way, we must continue to evangelize because he's coming soon and we want to make sure that we're ready.
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Post by Rachel2 on Jul 6, 2009 15:23:00 GMT -5
At one of our holy convocations back in 1994 in Philadelphia, I remember our international missionary department president giving her annual address, and she mentioned how at one time she was praying for the salvation of her loved ones, and God did hear her prayers and saved them; however, it seemed that shortly thereafter, they died. She was like, "God, what's going on? Everytime my loved one gets saved, they die." She said that God said, "Well, you did ask me to save them before it was too late, didn't you?" KB, I believe what the missionary said is true. My sister died June 5, 2009. She had cancer. I had been praying for God to save her for more than 20 years. When she was first diagnosed with cancer last year, they put a trachea in her throat. I went to the hospital the night before surgery to pray for her to give her life to Christ. After witnessing to her,again, she told me "NO" that she did not want to give her life to Christ. I knew how sick she was and this really broke my heart. Well, she did at least let me pray for her. God raised her off that bed of affliction and she looked better than any of us had seen her look in years. Her color had returned and she looked healthy. The cancer was in remission and they were going to take the trachea out. Instead of thanking God for raising her up she threw herself a cancer free party! When I heard about it, I could not believe it. Long story short, the cancer came back this year with a vengance and she called me to come pray for her. I know this was God. on April 26, 2009, while in the hospital she had written a 6 page document that she told me was between her and God. She repented and asked the Lord to save her. On June 5th she passed away. She spent her last days reading the bible and getting to know Jesus. Our district missionary helped me to see that God took her while she was ready. I believe with all my heart that's what He did because He knew that she would have gone back into sin like she had the time before when He had raised her up. I am sad that she's gone but I thank God that she was saved and I will see her again! |
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Post by And Such Were Some Of You on Jul 6, 2009 16:37:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we don't have anything scripturally indicating a "death bed confession". No, we don't have anything about death bed confessions but we do have scripture about confessing Jesus as Lord. I don't really think we really need scripture about when and where it happens. Well of course, we shouldn't purposely wait until we are close to death to accept Jesus, however we don't know that to be the case with the testimonies that we have listed here. Well, again we cannot always explain the ways of God. God alone, is the KNOWER of man's heart and therefore it is not even up to us to make the slightest judgment. |
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 6, 2009 17:48:00 GMT -5
At one of our holy convocations back in 1994 in Philadelphia, I remember our international missionary department president giving her annual address, and she mentioned how at one time she was praying for the salvation of her loved ones, and God did hear her prayers and saved them; however, it seemed that shortly thereafter, they died. She was like, "God, what's going on? Everytime my loved one gets saved, they die." She said that God said, "Well, you did ask me to save them before it was too late, didn't you?" Most of my family members I prayed for die shortly after receiving Christ... my mother and my sister received death bed salvation. my uncle and cousins in different states also received Christ before passing. Nikkol.... I don't understand why thing happen the way it do... I don't understand many things about the way God operates... Why some good loving ppl can't have children and some crazy abusive ppl ended up with an house full.... do that make God unfair? A well known Bishop here in Miami passed Thursday... It really broke my heart.... I've visited his church a month ago and he looked so healthy and strong. I asked God why... he too young, his vision is not completed, he had a lot more to live for. he used to be my apostle and former pastor, pastor and have ordianed my apostle as a pastor and form pastor as a prophetess. He was also one of many JB spiritual father. I first saw her at his church. So tell me is God unfair to allow this Great man of God to leave so young and so soon? |
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