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Post by krazeeboi on Jul 29, 2009 18:21:44 GMT -5
Do you think President Obama would have sold so many book if he didn't run for President? I thought he was blessed becuase he left Wall Street and choose to be a community organizer making only $10,000.00 to work with the disadvantage, he is an excellece writer. I know he not a preacher... But we're talking about the first Black president in U.S. history. I think the historicity of that alone deserves lots of book sales. But even then, as you stated, he's not a preacher. And my point wasn't that preachers can't write books; it's about their outside ventures, like book writing and so on, still being church-based. You don't go into the ministry for the purpose of making a lot of money, so I simply prefer to hear about success in the secular arena from people who have actually done it. He, and others, can sell as many books and tapes as they want. That's how many of them amass a lot of their wealth. But that's not a template for the rest of us to have success in our careers, because the books and tapes aren't based on traditional means of acquiring wealth in this country; they are based on ministry. |
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Post by giantsdodie on Jul 30, 2009 8:34:32 GMT -5
Giants..you're right. I do believe in tithing as well. There a many Pastors out there who do work and will not become a burden on the people. You hit on something in regards to doing a budget. I do budget..and when I got serioius and started cutting out some of the unnecessary things that I did not need...all heck broke in the area of my fiances. and your comment on black people not knowing how to handle their money is true. I have learned what some may call delayed gratification and I find out when I do wait..someone will give me the item or I will g et it at a real good price. I am not assuming that all preachers become blessed at the hands of the people..yet, some do. I was in a convenience store a few weeks ago and there was a song on the radio where the person singing the song was singing " I wanna be a baptist preacher; because the pay is good...I had to laugh. I don't know the man was. I have no issue whatsoever if a minister of GOD is being blessed by the hands of the people as long as its not someone taking advantage of GOD's people. You know what I notice as well. Oftentimes the saints ( and almost always the world ) assumes that a man or woman of GOD is blessed off the people and want to check the record of what the People give to the church.. You notice no one EVER asks to see the record of what the minister of GOD has given??? I know a pastor who had a child of God come into some finances. The pastors home had gotten rundown and broken up because of the YEARS of use from the church using his furniture ( the church got started in his home ) So this person went out.. brought the pastor all leather couches and chairs, had wooden floors put in. bought then a brand new top of the line computer and repainted the home and brought them a new home theater system. Now almost NO ONE knew that this person did this for the pastor and someone ignorant would assume that this pastor stole the money from the people to get this stuff. No one knows what this man gives, I know he is a giver. When I was made a deacon in his church I was out of work and did not have a white suit for the event. The man went out of his OWN pocket ( not to mention he takes care of his wife and three kids ) to buy me a suit. Suprised me with it one Sunday. I have known the man to but groceries for people and leave them at their doorstep. Just ring the bell and walk away. He did stuff in secret yet GOD rewarded him OPENLY... Not everyone is stealing from the saints.. YES it goes on.. I been there... seen that.. got the Tshirt... the Mug.. and the Beach Towel.... but it aint everybody... SO I dont care about some website or magazine that wants to know what happened to the money.. I can point out LOTS of churches in my stomping grounds that feed the hungry, clothe the homeless, that offer free tax return help, have community centers, do FREE drug counselling, FREE diabetes and high blood pressure checks, offer college scholarships, FREE eye and ear exams, Give away clothes to the homeless, and the list goes on and on and on..... maybe they need to get INTO the church to actually find OUT what the church is DOING... |
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Post by kitty on Jul 30, 2009 11:16:35 GMT -5
Krazeboi,
I agree with your statements... I also think we need to realize that a lot of these preachers are indeed in this for the money. TD. Jakes is indeed one of them...
About 2 years ago he was scheduled to do a book signing at my local Borders. What he requested was quite interesting... First of all it was asked by his people for no one who didn't buy his book to be allowed to attend... Secondly it was stated that he wouldn't sign any of his other books but the current one that he was promoting at that time...
If that's not about money I don't know what is!!!!
The average author allows all people to attend book signing to hear him speak... They also never refuse to give an autograph on ANY OF THE BOOKS THEY HAVE WRITTEN!
The fact that he was a well known preacher just made me sick to my stomach... Everyone in the Borders.... staff and customers alike were talking about his odd and greedy behavior... None of the worldly authors were making request like this...
Clearly if you were a poor person that needed a word of encouragement then you weren't welcomed!
Gee... what a good witness that gave!
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 30, 2009 12:29:17 GMT -5
Krazeboi, I agree with your statements... I also think we need to realize that a lot of these preachers are indeed in this for the money. TD. Jakes is indeed one of them... I disagree... this is America, not Russia... they have the same right as anyone esle to make money through their God given gifts, such as writing, speaking, by selling their books, CDs and DVD and download, etc... They are citizens and taxpayer too... They are also investers... They invest in real estate, stocks an bonds etc... The Word says God give us strength to get wealth... Of Course... it call crowd control... If there is an high demand, he must use wisdom... That would allow those who were buying his book to have an opportunity to get their book signed... Other do the same.. it dependent on the demand and estimated of how many ppl were planning to attend. I remember 1000s was ready to run to the bookstore.... the bookstore can not hold that many ppl. That's common sense... ::)He would be signing to the next day... He had a limited amount of books... first come frist serve basis... He had an idea of how many books he will be signing.... that's called wisdom... He did the right thing by setting a limit... a simple person would have known better...  You don't go to many book signing by very well known authors... The bookstore can only hold so many ppl... then there were security issue... The book store also had limited space and limited security (they have to protects their other products and property)....    Why you have a problem with that... I have an issue with that comment .... I really don't see the problem... You actually get sick because Bishop T. D. Jakes is a well known preacher ? What wrong with being honored and repected? When Michael Jackson was alive... the same ppl who laught at him, kissed his feet in his present... PPL jump, scream and fall out over him... oh he not a preacher, did he make u sick too? You would have been really sick if Jesus was walking this earth today and you didn't know he was the Son of God. The poor should have a pastor... T. D. Jakes has given and given to the poor... The so called poor can go the the library and check of his web-site, watch his TV show... etc. He is not the only person that they can get word of encouragement. |
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Post by kitty on Jul 30, 2009 14:06:00 GMT -5
AT,
I have been at plenty of book signings of authors at that very same Borders.... Many famous people have come through there without having to have the same requests. T.D. Jakes or Christian writers aren't the only people who can draw a crowd. In the past for security reasons the Borders would declare a time period ofr people to arrive and the close their doors when the reached the maximum limit....
Another time to control the number of people the Borders requested that people come and get a special pass that would allow them into the store that day... But it didn't require people having brought the authors book to be allowed through the door. What if he had that same mentality for church... If you don't have money then don't come...
But again excuse me for expecting a Christian writer to behave diffrently... What if Jesus had acted that way when people came to hear the gospel? Decided that only those with money could come and hear Him speak?
We are supposed to be salt of the earth... Light of the world... We in the the world but people should know the difference....
Again... it really was a poor witness AT... The staff at the Borders and regular customers like commented on it... Be offended if you want to be... But when the author is question is in a sense "peddling" the word of God then YES I am offended at the worldly-ness of it all...
Thus these types I don't support....
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 30, 2009 15:33:03 GMT -5
AT, I have been at plenty of book signings of authors at that very same Borders.... Many famous people have come through there without having to have the same requests. T.D. Jakes or Christian writers aren't the only people who can draw a crowd. In the past for security reasons the Borders would declare a time period ofr people to arrive and the close their doors when the reached the maximum limit.... Another time to control the number of people the Borders requested that people come and get a special pass that would allow them into the store that day... But it didn't require people having brought the authors book to be allowed through the door. What if he had that same mentality for church... If you don't have money then don't come... I remember what happen... They were expeting a big crowd... This how they worked with T.D. Jakes... I don't see what the problem. ppl always over react and critize every little thing the preacher do. This is pity stuff... and you make it sound like a big deal.... How U know if it was his decision or the Borders.. each store manager handle things differently.... no problem with his itelligent behavior. Everybody I know see the light in the Man of God... may be that why so many ppl break their neck to see him... It is the anointing he walk in ad the gift, Word of Wisdom that is manifested You the only one I know is offended... Borders employees were impressed.... Only these Christians the have nothing better to do than to stomp down other Christians that are in th front line and have $$$ are offended. You know, the ones who tear down the Man/woman of God instead of praying and building them up |
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Post by kitty on Jul 30, 2009 17:33:21 GMT -5
AT,
REally now? Does it take resorting to lying?
Do U even know the STATE or Location where the Borders I am refering to is located?!
Especially since you want to claim that the "Borders employees were very impressed"!!!
Seriously... get a grip...
Like I said before... the Borders staff ie "employees" were the one commenting on the whole fact his requests were kinda "snobby".
Now if you don't like my opinion that fine... You are completely entitled to your own and I respect that. But there's not need to lie about the fact that in this case he dropped the ball... And made a bad impression to the regular customers like myself and others who regularly come to that particular location which is popular for authors to come and visit...
But honestly...why feel so defensive to the point that you need to lie... Maybe some Border employee were impressed at whatever Borders that you know about some where in the world... I'm sure that you can find one...
But that's not what happened in my location...
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Jul 30, 2009 17:38:19 GMT -5
Oh and for the record.... It was indeed T.D. Jakes request that the store only allow in people who had a copy of his book.
Which by the way happened to be in a upscale area so the whole request...that people not be allowed in without one of his books was viewed as very "low class". Some people probably giggled and wondred if it was a "black thang"...
Yeah... not only embarrasing as a Christian... But also as a African American...
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 30, 2009 18:27:29 GMT -5
AT, REally now? Does it take resorting to lying? Do U even know the STATE or Location where the Borders I am refering to is located?! It was not the first time it was discussed on this BB... and it was more than a couple of years ago... I think it was 2006 or 2005 not sure... an I am not lying... It was an arrangment and an agreement with Border Book Store and Bishop... They were excited about the book signing... so it wasn't an issues with nobody but certian Christians.... There were happy an excited... I haven't heard one complain... if you did, please post it... Really.... yeah right... and they had no problem signing the contract I don't remember reading that... So, U calling me a lying and you have not post not one fact or link ... You think I should believe you... I don't believe the average person is that pity... I don't believe a word you are saying... when someone point out foolish ( criticizing a man for having a book signing i a bookstore) ppl seem to make up things to prove their point... Now... even if the employees was upset and displeased (which they wasn't) would that make Bishop a bad gredy person? Would it be worth attacking him? When Jesus came into a city where there were a crowd of ppl trying to get to him... His disciple would surround Him like bodyguards... He worn expense clothings... not cheap... He took care of 12 grown men during His ministry and had a treasurer... and didn't have a job. He was in full-time ministry... I don't think His disciples was in rags.. I wonder what would certain Chrisian would have said about him, if He walk the earth today.. |
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Post by kitty on Jul 30, 2009 18:54:54 GMT -5
AT,
You're a bit strange... Why would I need to make up something that I witnessed? Does it offend you that much to realize that everyone isn't a fan of materialist and unGodly behavior no matter who does it?
Borders bookstores are individually owed... maybe part of a chain but still individually owed. T.D. Jakes would have to make arrangements with each bookstore individually that he planned to visit.
This particular bookstore that I am referring to is in Chicago, IL a subsection called Beverly which is multicultural and wealthy. They aren't hurting for business and as I have stated many times before MANY popular authors seek to visit this store because of the location and the type of people there... I doubt they were bum rushing T.D. Jakes to visit their store especially considering that they weren't really a "black area".
In fact because of that there wasn't even an issue of "thousands" showing up... At best maybe 200 people...
But really... AT... he simply dropped the ball...
Defend him with your very life if it means that much to you... But remember... He is still trying to "peddle" the word of God... and that fact came through to most of the customers there when the Borders was making arrangement and announcements to it's regular customers....
I'm sure that Terry McMillian would have drawn a bigger crowd....
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 30, 2009 19:36:14 GMT -5
This wasn't the only book signing . He went to went to different cities he had one at the Apollo in NY... and other places T.D. Jakes to Sign 'Reposition Yourself' at Borders(R) in Chicago, Ill.
Borders Logo. (PRNewsFoto/Borders Inc.)
ANN ARBOR, MI UNITED STATES
ANN ARBOR, Mich., May 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Who: T.D. Jakes is a pastor, author, artist, entrepreneur, and philanthropist. He is the founder and pastor of The Potter's House in Dallas, Texas, which has 30,000 members, and his sermons are broadcast live on "BET" every Sunday. Jakes is the author of more than 30 books, many of which have appeared on best seller lists including: "Maximize the Moment," "Woman, Thou Art Loosed," "The Lady, Her Lover and Her Lord" and "God's Leading Lady." His latest book is "Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits." What: Jakes signs copies of his new book, "Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits" in his only public Chicago area appearance. When: Thursday, May 17 at 7:30 p.m. Where: Borders 2210 W. 95th Street Chicago, IL 60643 (773) 445-5471 Why: Customers have the opportunity to personally meet Jakes and obtain a copy of "Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits." Borders is excited to welcome T.D. Jakes to the
Chicago, Ill. store.Additional Information: To ensure he is able to meet as many customers as possible, Jakes will be unable to personalize his signature. No posed photographs may be taken during the book signing. No memorabilia, videos or DVDs will be signed. Copies of his new book are available for purchase at Borders stores. Beginning Thursday, May 17 at 10 am, wristbands will be given out to customers who would like to get copies of Jakes' books signed. These wristbands will be given out on a first come, first served basis and will hold each person's place in line. To receive a wristband, customers must present a copy of T.D. Jakes' "Reposition Yourself" -- with proof of purchase -- at the event check-in table on the day of the event. Media Contact: Media interested in attending this event should contact Lori Hile at (773) 935-6790 or at lhile1@bordersgroupinc.com. Media interested in learning more about Borders should contact Kolleen O'Meara at (734) 477-1224 or at komeara@bordersgroupinc.com. Additional Information on T.D. Jakes: Please visit www.tdjakes.com About Borders Group, Inc. Borders, Inc. is a subsidiary of Borders Group. Headquartered in Ann Arbor, Michigan, Borders Group is a $4.1 billion global retailer of books, music and movies with more than 1,200 stores and 32,000 employees worldwide. More information on the company is available at www.bordersgroupinc.com. (Logo: www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20060208/BORDERSLOGO ) |
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Post by kitty on Jul 30, 2009 20:27:41 GMT -5
AT, Good for you AT... given the information that I posted you were able to look up the event that I WAS REFERING TOO... While calling me a liar in prior post... Don't u feel PROUD! Want a cookie or prize? Now I was at that actual Borders because it was near my mother's house... I am there often... But apparently I missed the DAY that YOU wre there because I didn't see any employees there especially excited or impressed... Take it one step futher AT... Contact the Borders on 95Th street and ask if those requirements to get in the store where made by Borders or by T.D. Jakes.... Then ask if it is a "regular" policy for other authors who visit the store? ?? Ready to eat Crow? Kitty |
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Post by kitty on Jul 30, 2009 20:33:59 GMT -5
By the way AT...
Do it for your own curiousity... so that you will know the truth...
Because I don't think you are actually able to come back and post the truth if it doesn't fit what you want to hear....
I'm done with any futher discussion with you on this matter... but again I urge you to call and seek the truth for yourself... maybe it with heal or bless you... Maybe the truth will set you free from the idolism you seem to have...
Kitty
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Post by anointedteacher on Jul 30, 2009 23:33:39 GMT -5
Kitty, you haven't prove anything.... There where no press release that say Bishop T. D. Jakes set it up. I don't see anything wrong with it... He have done many book signing all over the US for years and dozen that month, he probably knew what to expect... That is why I didn't know which book signing you was talking about. He one here some years back, I didn't go, because I already the book and I forgotten about... There were a book signing in Washington DC in the same month at Border Book.
For you accuse me of lying is pointless...
What is your point? What he did that was so wrong? I thought that was an excellene set up... that way he was able to sign many books
Did you go back to the store to gossip about the Bishop to the unsave employees? Te article says they were excited to have Bishop Jakes...
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Post by livinganewlife on Jul 31, 2009 5:54:57 GMT -5
I really want to jump in on this Borders bookstore incident.....as former manager for a musical artist:
It is the artist / author that sets the stipulations and not the venue..the venue has to comply to the request of the artist....In the music industry we send out riders that specify all the requirements the particular artist has...down to bottle water and green only M & M's......
So I venture to say that authors have the same criteria in place....
Also, AT you are trying to prove a point based upon a press release announcing the event; however unless you negotiated the contract or was actually at the event you are arguing a moot point....
I say that from experience because there are alot of things that goes on behind scene that will disappoint the masses if they really knew how these preachers, actors, singers and politicians really acted......
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