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Post by giantsdodie on Sept 14, 2009 9:59:18 GMT -5
First off.. You really need to lighten up a bit. Seriously. Secondly.. no one labeled anybody anything... Didn't U said the Word "Apocalypse"... You're a prophet, or called to be a prophet, or prophetic? Your words are stronger than the average Joe... because of who U are, what U have been taught and the Spirit of prophecy that rest upon you? Prophets can speak things into existance... like Elijah... First of all again you need to relax a bit.. Secondly I didnt speak.. I typed... Thirdly you need to recognize that Prophets cannot speak ANYTHING into existence. This is a teaching that needs to be corrected. Just because a prophet speaks a thing DOES NOT mean it is going to happen.. It needs GOD's sanction for it to come to pass. And I dont think GOD is going to alter the end of days because of a statement made IN JEST on a website... Seriously.. relax... prophets are regular people like everyone else who laugh and joke and have fun...The end of the world is not gonna happen because of a joke on a website... btw Elijah PRAYED and it didn't rain for three years and six months. He didn't just speak it into existence. And I aint praying for an apocalypse... |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 14, 2009 13:04:25 GMT -5
When ANY minister has made a name for themselves by which ppl are looking at them and not Jesus, that's a problem. When ANY minister uses their name for "brownie points" and you see more focus on them than on Jesus, that's a problem. When ANY minister spends more time trying to "fix their name" or discuss their issues and not proclaiming the gospel, that's a problem. I do wonder how many preachers would still be preachers if the persection that we see overseas were to happen here? Persecution does give you different perspectives and every minute would be spent trying to bring someone into the kingdom rather than getting someone to buy your latest cd/book/dvd/etc or trying to explain why you did/didn't do something.... Scripture? or this is another opinion or slander... She draw ppl to Christ not self... Turning ppl away from Christ to self or another God is the Sign... When I see her leading ppl away from Christ to worship another God, than I will cut her off... Many Christian spend more time condemning, tearing down, beating down the man or woman of God, than praying, standing in the gap, strengthening, encouraging to get up and continue to fight. If we did that, they will be able to preaching the Gospel more and bring more to Christ... Most of the mess we say are nothing but jumk from our flesh and not what God is saying... We need to get ourselves right FIRST... Stop Fighting them... When it come to the real false prophet... ppl here don't even want to mention their name, their doctrines, or how they cast spell on ppl... we have more respect for them... they are the one that turning ppl from Christ... In other countries the church come together as one.. not destroy each other over stupid pity things like changing name or titles.. Some of those books/cd/dvd/ etc. have help many ppl in their walk in Christ... it reached and touch ppl the they couldn't reach or touch, it help ppl to understand who God is in their life ... No More Sheet, help many saved women and men to begin to walk holy before God. Matter of the heart, have brought me closer to God and help with many issues that I was facing. Spiritual Inheritance gave many direction. Most Christian in other countries will love to have the opportunity we have. That is why when they or any preacher from the US come to those countries, they come out by the thousands, some walk many miles to see them. They want what we have and are hungry for Word. When I got saved, it was the Bible and books that help me to grow... not the preacher.... Three questions..... 1 & 2) What does what you wrote have to do with what I said? My point was making a statement about "ANY" not really Juanita because honestly, I don't follow her, I don't listen to her, I don't read her books, and I ONLY went to her page today because I thought there must be a mistake with the "II". other than that, I have no idea what she's doing. However, I will say that those in leadership are suppose to have a good name and whether we want to agree with her ministry or not, I think that we can agree to say that by many, her name isn't good. Right? 3) I assume that your view is that everyone that is posting is speaking from their flesh and you're speaking from God? One statement...the reason why there is no "tearing down" in many other countries is because those that are saved will possibly have to pay with their life. And when talking and reading stories about these ppl in other countries, they are reading the Bible....what many of us take for granted. There are stories about ppl who write chapters on baloons and fly them over to those areas HOPING that they'll get it. When the ppl see it, they pop the baloon and stretch it out so that they can read the few chapters that were able to fit. People also put pages of scripture and hide them in all different areas of their body..... ONE PAGE and read it and get as much to memory so that they can pass that ONE PAGE over to others to read.....HOPING that they don't get caught because they'll be tortured...not just put in jail but tortured. having hooks put in their collar bone attaching them to other ppl, bamboo sticks dug in their nails, their children being killed in front of their face....one man as he was preaching had these ppl come and take his baby and throw her out the window where she died. He got his child and went back to preach. Do you REALLY think that ppl that are dealing with this type of warfare and persecution are sitting their trying to get books/cds/dvds of other people? It's the WORD that's so important and honestly, if I have to pay for you to tell me about how the Lord is going to bless me, I honestly have a problem with that? I can understand being an entreprenuer but when it comes to the word, time is too short. Being taught the "how to....." is nice but time is too short. Esp. because your steps may not work for me because steps bring my attention away from God to try to find a formula.... so when we're talking about what goes on in other countries, we gotta see the WHOLE picture. Even in the story about those two journalist because of what they did made some homes where a pastor was helping some ppl get closed down.....this stuff is no joke...... PLEASE don't take what i said personal...but I'm very passionate when it comes to those in other countries. The things I read about in voices of the martyrs and with missionaries really make you appreciate what you have here but also makes you embarrassed that we don't take it even more serious than we do. |
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Post by anointed on Sept 14, 2009 17:28:28 GMT -5
When ANY minister has made a name for themselves by which ppl are looking at them and not Jesus, that's a problem. Is it possible that a minister's name can be associated with fame because of the depth of the gospel of Christ and the Kingdom that they preach? Many, if not most, who have been acquainted with her ministry at some point were attracted because of the word of God in her mouth. I still do believe the Word is in her for as many as receive it. If you discount drawing from that anointing in the person, then surely you will perceive his or her ministry ineffective. I know many say "test the spirits." But what are you testing when that minister professes Christ and preaches Christ in us the hope of glory? Sorry, but JB continues to preach Christ and you all know that I can pull out the clips for the skeptics. According to the bible, fame in and of itself is not wrong. It's actually associated with having favor and it's also intrinsic to some mantles that some ministers have according to the scope of ministry God has called them. When ANY minister uses their name for "brownie points" and you see more focus on them than on Jesus, that's a problem. So is it wrong to celebrate with ministers when they succeed or accomplish things outside of the church walls and they talk about those things? JB is actually manifesting Jesus by continuing to stand and not be shaken in spite of all said about her. I don't think it's pride but rather knowing who you are in Christ no matter what people think. Now that's Christ, who often went through the same treatments. Oh, and if you tune in to her ministry, she really still teaches prayer, Christ, praise and worship, holiness, and standing in the midst of trials as she has always done. You'll have to tune in regularly to know that though. She hasn't even really talked about her successes on her Tuesday live show in awhile. When ANY minister spends more time trying to "fix their name" or discuss their issues and not proclaiming the gospel, that's a problem. So is it wrong for a minister to be open and honest with their listeners about their lives? Oh, and it is the gospel to go through major challenges and still say to "God be the glory" and "I will look ahead to my destiny (God-ordained purposes)." Do you think the gospel is only limited to Jesus and the cross? That's only the beginning to all the things God has for His people to walk in NOW. JB has actually asked her listeners on Tuesday Night Show not to defend her for she need no defense. So what you mean fix a name? I do wonder how many preachers would still be preachers if the persection that we see overseas were to happen here? Persecution does give you different perspectives and every minute would be spent trying to bring someone into the kingdom rather than getting someone to buy your latest cd/book/dvd/etc or trying to explain why you did/didn't do something.... And JB wasn't persecuted? Wow! lol No further comment. The funny thing is she has gone overseas since her incident and the people have received of the "prophet" rather than seeing an imperfect human being only. I know that you wrote your post generally for ministers though. I don't disagree but we have to look at the minister as a whole and in my opinion JB is not done justice although I know she's not perfect. Just trying to bring the balance. |
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Post by anointed on Sept 14, 2009 17:48:24 GMT -5
Krazee, I also think a person being made whole can be something we all take part in by speaking life to him or her and watching what we say concerning him or her, for that is still God's child. I don't equate speaking life with condoning everything someone is doing. I was writing in reference to a person's wholeness. Our words are spiritual once released from our mouths and can make or break a person (esp. when those words are spoken in prayer on someone's behalf). |
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Post by anointed on Sept 14, 2009 18:00:16 GMT -5
1 & 2) What does what you wrote have to do with what I said? My point was making a statement about "ANY" not really Juanita because honestly, I don't follow her, I don't listen to her, I don't read her books, and I ONLY went to her page today because I thought there must be a mistake with the "II". other than that, I have no idea what she's doing. However, I will say that those in leadership are suppose to have a good name and whether we want to agree with her ministry or not, I think that we can agree to say that by many, her name isn't good. Right? Actually no. And by many Juanita Bynum is still deemed a relevant prophetic voice for our times. As far as her having a good name, she's been in leadership for over 25 years and I can't accurately say that what she's unexpectantly gone through in the last 2 years can wholly paint a picture of her ministry as a whole for her tenure in ministry. Plus, you can take any major minister in America whose name isn't in good standing with some group of people (the critics that is). 3) I assume that your view is that everyone that is posting is speaking from their flesh and you're speaking from God? One statement...the reason why there is no "tearing down" in many other countries is because those that are saved will possibly have to pay with their life. And when talking and reading stories about these ppl in other countries, they are reading the Bible....what many of us take for granted. There are stories about ppl who write chapters on baloons and fly them over to those areas HOPING that they'll get it. When the ppl see it, they pop the baloon and stretch it out so that they can read the few chapters that were able to fit. People also put pages of scripture and hide them in all different areas of their body..... ONE PAGE and read it and get as much to memory so that they can pass that ONE PAGE over to others to read.....HOPING that they don't get caught because they'll be tortured...not just put in jail but tortured. having hooks put in their collar bone attaching them to other ppl, bamboo sticks dug in their nails, their children being killed in front of their face....one man as he was preaching had these ppl come and take his baby and throw her out the window where she died. He got his child and went back to preach. Do you REALLY think that ppl that are dealing with this type of warfare and persecution are sitting their trying to get books/cds/dvds of other people? It's the WORD that's so important and honestly, if I have to pay for you to tell me about how the Lord is going to bless me, I honestly have a problem with that? I can understand being an entreprenuer but when it comes to the word, time is too short. Being taught the "how to....." is nice but time is too short. Esp. because your steps may not work for me because steps bring my attention away from God to try to find a formula.... so when we're talking about what goes on in other countries, we gotta see the WHOLE picture. Even in the story about those two journalist because of what they did made some homes where a pastor was helping some ppl get closed down.....this stuff is no joke...... PLEASE don't take what i said personal...but I'm very passionate when it comes to those in other countries. The things I read about in voices of the martyrs and with missionaries really make you appreciate what you have here but also makes you embarrassed that we don't take it even more serious than we do. And what's wrong with buying cds, dvds, books by preachers. Isn't the fivefold ministry in place to teach people. Yes, we can ALL read the Word but there are some things that a person with a strong calling from God can reveal or bring clarity to through these resources that you wouldn't have seen just reading the Word yourself. I think we must realize that if something doesn't minister to you, doesn't give the right to totally discount the ministry. If those in other countries could, many would probably love to have the Christian resources that we have in this country. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 17, 2009 9:03:45 GMT -5
One's actions speak a lot. To call oneself "Juanita bynum II is definitely going to bring more attention because not only are those numbers usually referring to men.....even moreso when your son is named after his father (my son is a "II") but also a person who is a "I" would not also be considered a "II". Correct? Now she may have a reason by which she chose to do that, but that in and of itself would bring unecessary attention to a person....right? Regarding pulling clips, we could both pull clips to prove our points... There's nothing wrong with being open/honest with ppl. That's what we SHOULD do... Do I think that the good news (ie gospel) is limited to Jesus and the cross.....isn't that the gospel that we preach? The death, burial and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ. That is the gospel. Nothing else really holds weight. This actually I think has become one of the biggest "slaps" of the church. We should always be talking about the gospel...that is the MAIN message of the church. Was JB persecuted? She may have went through "Americanized persecution"...were you really trying to compare her persecution with the persection overseas? Also, we should never base the fact that ppl receive a person as a "prophet" as confirmation.....this is NOT saying that she isn't but rather that we can't base it on what ppl do. Honestly said, ppl received, Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Father Divine, along with Elijah Mohammed......right? Everyone has critics....but the "good name" is based upon what has "tarnished" her name....was it for the name of Christ? Did she expose something and ppl are upset because she didn't compromise? Why are ppl having an issue with some things? Granted, if you mess up you don't have to go and be buried in a whole....but to be a PASTOR, is a different story I don't think that I would say that.....what I do know from what people in some of those countries say is that they pray that we would have persecution in America. Some even have talked about sending missionaries to America (sounds weird, doesn't it)? (you can see some of this stuff if you get the Voice of Martyrs...I believe it's a free magazine more info can be found HERE) Now reading books, etc. isn't a bad thing and I'm not knocking it....maybe one day I could right a book (smile) but I think for some, these books/cds have taken the place for personal time a revelation that you get from God....kinda like some see it as cliff notes to not have to read the Word at all. You can tell this when you speak to some ppl and they will say "Bishop X said...... or Prophet Y said......" rather than what the Word says. We really need more of the word. There's a lot of things you can read regarding overseas ministry. And I think that most ppl here when JB first came out really liked what she was doing. It wasn't until later that things got "worse"...even with being on the old JB board (where MANY of us came from). So for many who aren't fans of hers, I don't think any started that way. So discounting ministry isn't in reference to not "ministering to me", but rather what she is doing is saying to the body of Christ as a whole. |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 17, 2009 10:24:43 GMT -5
Do I think that the good news (ie gospel) is limited to Jesus and the cross.....isn't that the gospel that we preach? The death, burial and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ. That is the gospel. Nothing else really holds weight. This actually I think has become one of the biggest "slaps" of the church. We should always be talking about the gospel...that is the MAIN message of the church. Was JB persecuted? She may have went through "Americanized persecution"...were you really trying to compare her persecution with the persection overseas? Also, we should never base the fact that ppl receive a person as a "prophet" as confirmation.....this is NOT saying that she isn't but rather that we can't base it on what ppl do. Honestly said, ppl received, Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Father Divine, along with Elijah Mohammed......right? Everyone has critics....but the "good name" is based upon what has "tarnished" her name....was it for the name of Christ? Did she expose something and ppl are upset because she didn't compromise? Why are ppl having an issue with some things? Granted, if you mess up you don't have to go and be buried in a whole....but to be a PASTOR, is a different story I don't think that I would say that.....what I do know from what people in some of those countries say is that they pray that we would have persecution in America. Some even have talked about sending missionaries to America (sounds weird, doesn't it)? (you can see some of this stuff if you get the Voice of Martyrs...I believe it's a free magazine more info can be found HERE) Now reading books, etc. isn't a bad thing and I'm not knocking it....maybe one day I could right a book (smile) but I think for some, these books/cds have taken the place for personal time a revelation that you get from God....kinda like some see it as cliff notes to not have to read the Word at all. You can tell this when you speak to some ppl and they will say "Bishop X said...... or Prophet Y said......" rather than what the Word says. We really need more of the word. There's a lot of things you can read regarding overseas ministry. And I think that most ppl here when JB first came out really liked what she was doing. It wasn't until later that things got "worse"...even with being on the old JB board (where MANY of us came from). So for many who aren't fans of hers, I don't think any started that way. So discounting ministry isn't in reference to not "ministering to me", but rather what she is doing is saying to the body of Christ as a whole. Nikkol, I think some of us have been posting as far back as 2003 first on the old board and now on this. I don't remember anything you ever posted moving me as much as your words above. GIRL, THIS IS A WORD FOR US ALL!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! say what??? the gospel IS the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ!!!! and beyond all the books, cd's, dvd's, and "prophetic" messages, my bible tells me " But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! " Galatians 1:8-9 I'm beginning to wonder if Juanita Bynum isn't a member of this board................things that make you go hmmmmmmm.............. |
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 17, 2009 11:12:48 GMT -5
Do I think that the good news (ie gospel) is limited to Jesus and the cross.....isn't that the gospel that we preach? The death, burial and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ. That is the gospel. Nothing else really holds weight. This actually I think has become one of the biggest "slaps" of the church. We should always be talking about the gospel...that is the MAIN message of the church. Do you think the gospel is only limited to Jesus Christ and the Cross.....................I had to retype that statement just to get my bearings straight................ I agree with Nikkol 1000% times 1000%......that the Gospel is the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.... But people please let's not get life applications of the Gospel confused with the Gospel....... Each one of us have a story of how the Gospel has been applied in our day to day lives, but still our human testimony is nothing more than that and my testimony whether it is told verbally, written, song, sign language, lyrical dance or however it is communicated to an individual should NEVER NEVER EVER take precedent over the written Word of God........ A testimony of someone's personal struggle is not a doctrine, theology nor is it gospel.... A testimony is only given to encourage others as they travel along this journey too... and JB is not the queen of overcoming; the Bible says and they (which include multiple persons) overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the word of their (plural) testimony)....... This scripture alone let's me know that we all have the right to express our testimony but our overcoming is through the blood of the lamb and our testimony is just added to the blood......... |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 17, 2009 11:27:36 GMT -5
Do you think the gospel is only limited to Jesus Christ and the Cross.....................I had to retype that statement just to get my bearings straight................ I agree with Nikkol 1000% times 1000%......that the Gospel is the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.... But people please let's not get life applications of the Gospel confused with the Gospel....... Each one of us have a story of how the Gospel has been applied in our day to day lives, but still our human testimony is nothing more than that and my testimony whether it is told verbally, written, song, sign language, lyrical dance or however it is communicated to an individual should NEVER NEVER EVER take precedent over the written Word of God........ A testimony of someone's personal struggle is not a doctrine, theology nor is it gospel.... A testimony is only given to encourage others as they travel along this journey too... and JB is not the queen of overcoming; the Bible says and they (which include multiple persons) overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the word of their (plural) testimony)....... This scripture alone let's me know that we all have the right to express our testimony but our overcoming is through the blood of the lamb and our testimony is just added to the blood......... AGREEING AGREEING AGREEING!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by giantsdodie on Sept 17, 2009 11:37:48 GMT -5
WARNING.. I AM GOING TO OFFEND YOU... THATS RIGHT.. GOING TO.. Ok This is her new bio straight off her website.. if you dont see something wrong here I have to say in all honesty something is wrong with you. um ok... This is usually the crap that people start to say when they get fed up with the church OR when they realize the church is hip to their game, wants to hold them ACCOUNTABLE for their actions or is just plain tired of their crap Anointed with the Voice and the Touch  ? The charge of wielding the MASSIVE PRESENCE Are you serious There is only ONE presence I am interested in and that is the presence of the Lord JESUS Christ.. after being in HIS presence nothing else matters. Yeah um ok but Jesus didnt become Jesus II or Jesus Jr or Jesus version 2.0 Ok does anyone see the LORD being exalted in this? And just who are all these detractors? What powers that be ? She assumed a seat of power WHAT ? Where.. what seat of power ? Again with the powers that be. I would like to know who these powers are. Mischevious eyes !!!!!! A face that the camera loves !!!!!! Sex Appeal ??!!!!!!! seriously.. really is this the type of description we want from our spiritual leaders Is this the America's Next Top Model or the Kingdom of God ?? A listing in Wikipedia ?? um.. Wikipedia is a public site.. I could have a listing in Wikipedia.. all I would have to do is write it.. The phenomenon that is Juanita Bynum was revaled more and more.. ok... What happened to making ourselves of NO reputation. And Im Sorry I just cant see Isaiah, Daniel, Ezekiel or Samuel going "Hollywood" Does anyone see the LORD being lifted up in this?? I understand it is a bio but in EVERYTHING it should point the way to JESUS and not to OURSELVES. Now I read this to some people of GOD that I know and respect because you know I wanted to make sure I want in " my flesh "  Well everyone said there is obviously something wrong and we need to be PRAYERFUL and I agree. What I will say is this. As people of GOD we cannot turn a blind eye and a deaf ear when we see things that are obviously wrong or amiss. Now I am not saying run around and start declaring people false or heretical either. What I am saying is that we cant be so ready to just gloss over some blatant issues and vehemently defend because They Black They a Woman They minsitered to us at a time in our lives We identify with their plight We idenitfy with their cause We identify with their struggle. We need to stop using WORKS as the jusifications of people actions. We say stuff like. They are in demand again. That dont mean crap to me. In all honesty people who can bring MONEY will always be in demand by some folks. Being in demand dont mean that GOD is in the mix just as NOT being in demand doesnt mean GOD is not with you. We say stuff like. Well the services and the church is blessed. I am going to go on record right now and say that dont mean GOD is approving either. I have seen GOD show up and answer the faith of the PEOPLE even though the vessel was raggedy. And I am not saying that Juantia Bynum is raggedy because I know how touchy some folks are with their idols.. yeah I said idols... If you get mad.. then you know it applies to you... What I am saying is that just because we see things happening doesnt mean that GOD is sanctioning or with that person right now. I know churches right now PERSONALLY that folks think that they are being blessed and the Spirit of GOD hasnt been in that church for YEARS, but they have works and happenings. I will say this. Some of my friends and I will join them are going to pray for our sister Juanita Bynum because there is something amiss. And thats what I think needs to be done. We cannot be so willing to overlook serious issues because of our affinity for or towards a person. Now I am NOT she is a heretic or a false prophet but there are things that are amiss that need prayer.. SO PRAY folks.. dont stick your head in the sand and act like nothing is wrong... PRAY... |
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Post by Poetricia (G.A.P.) on Sept 17, 2009 12:27:50 GMT -5
WARNING.. I AM GOING TO OFFEND YOU... THATS RIGHT.. GOING TO.. Ok This is her new bio straight off her website.. if you dont see something wrong here I have to say in all honesty something is wrong with you. Giant's ain't nobody mad but the devil!!! I can't even comment on the "bio" cause it made me so sick to my stomach I can barely even breathe right now. Talk about self exaltation!!!! NOWHERE was JESUS, THE GOSPEL, GOD, THE WORD OF GOD. or CALVARY MENTIONED - NOT ONCE. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23 |
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Post by kitty on Sept 17, 2009 12:57:58 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to take a minute.... I may need to go back and read Giants' post again...
But for now just got to say WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kitty
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Post by kitty on Sept 17, 2009 13:25:41 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
Giants you are right... If any get offended by your post they really need to seriously have some closet time to ask themselves if they are in their flesh....
Seriously guys... I want to say this. I like Juanita Bynum... Really I do. That's why I joined her web site all those years ago. At some point in time we all saw her in some positive regard so we joined her web site.
And because of her web site I was blessed. I was blessed by all of you guys who I met. I have made so many positive friends... You guys as my brothers and sister in Christ! And although we may fight and disagree at times I love you guys!
But what Giants said is true. When we see that something has gone wrong in a person's life then we can't pretend that we do them any favors by pretending they aren't broken and need to be fixed... We don't do them any good by pretending that they haven't gotten off the path... We don't do them any good by pretending that they are a good steward with our money when facts show that they don't. It's like changing a church. At some point in time we all need to change when we realize that we aren't being feed spiritually.
It doesn't mean that we throw anyone under a bus because we stop following them. It doesn't mean that we don't appreciate them sharing their testimonies and preaching. But it means that we REMEMBER that the person we are supposed to be following is CHRIST!
It means that Christ is the only POWER that is out there...
Right now Juanita Bynum can't build me up spiritually. So much about her has become worldly... So I don't know if she will ever get again to the point where I will want to follow her. Now I agree we can all come home again to God if we trust Him and seek him. But right now I really doubt that she is being lead....
I mean that bio spoke more about "her voice" as if it were "the voice" when the only thing I want to know is if you hear HIS voice?
I do hope she gets better... because right now she seems to be in so much pain she is trying to pretend that she is no longer the person who went through those trials and tribulations. Much in the same way that maybe it's easier for a rape or abuse victim to think of the person who experienced the trauma as "someone" else. But millions of people have had those experiences and they don't compare it to being on the cross. God makes us powerful inspite of what happens. Not because of what has happened.
Yes... we have talked about her ad-neasuem... But honestly if we just look at this as a crisis that we are experiencing as the church.... We have a true discussion that needs to be had. I mean apparently too many people have stopped having this type of conversation. That's why the Lutheran church are allows gays into high positions of leadership. Because at some point people stopped asking themselves is this following God?
Now let me as you a question...
Which kinda pastor do you want? One who risks his life to fight for civil rights? Or one whose got a new make up line that they want you to buy? It's an important question!
Kitty
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 17, 2009 13:54:40 GMT -5
Now let me as you a question... Which kinda pastor do you want? One who risks his life to fight for civil rights? Or one whose got a new make up line that they want you to buy? It's an important question! Kitty <<SCREAMING>> MAKE-UP!! MAKE-UP!! MAKE-UP!! (tryna add some humor in here....I'm still picking up some open mouths after reading what Giants said......) |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 17, 2009 13:56:58 GMT -5
Nikkol, I think some of us have been posting as far back as 2003 first on the old board and now on this. I don't remember anything you ever posted moving me as much as your words above. GIRL, THIS IS A WORD FOR US ALL!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! It's been since 2003??? WOW!!! TGBTG!! My husband talks a lot about the things going on overseas and it really gives you a different perspective.... |
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