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Post by kitty on Sept 17, 2009 14:24:39 GMT -5
NIkkol,
I can just see it now.... "THE BEAUTY FOR ASHES" make up line! LOL
Let God make you into a pretty proverbs 31 woman for just $29.99 starter kit!
But knowing JB that stuff will be $100 bucks for lip stick and some eye shadow! I mean wasn't her emergence prayer kit $500... and all it contained was a bible ad a prayer shaw! LOL It didn't have oil!
Kitty
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 17, 2009 16:03:25 GMT -5
Seriously guys... I want to say this. I like Juanita Bynum... Really I do. That's why I joined her web site all those years ago. At some point in time we all saw her in some positive regard so we joined her web site. And because of her web site I was blessed. I was blessed by all of you guys who I met. I have made so many positive friends... You guys as my brothers and sister in Christ! And although we may fight and disagree at times I love you guys! Kitty I have never understood why people on this BB take such a defensive stand when it comes to JB. We all at some point were blessed by her ministry otherwise we wouldn't be on this BB.... I remember each and everyone of you all from the old board...the only person I really don't recall is anointed; however that's not to say that he/she was not on the old BB..... But at any rate I think no one on here despise JB; maybe we have matured from the kool aid in your face messages that she preaches and we desire more preachers with more in depth understanding than JB.... When JB first came on the scene she connected with many women and many newbies in Christ....as one her testimony was that of a messed up person who rose to noteriety.... In the church back then, it was almost unheard of for a woman to tell all of her business and still walk around with dignity and integrity..... JB brought a new level of "rebound" to the church and to women as a whole......her testimony of overcoming an oppressed marriage and oppressed religious ideas encouraged many persons on their walk with God to not give up...... But it has been many years later, and we on this BB are still remaining strong, still searching and seeking God for more knowledge, understanding and wisdom... I believe through much growth and development that the majority of us think it is silly in this day and age to start a make up line as a preacher when we have Saints across the waters being killed for the Gospel sake.... We need to be about our Father's business and this watered down "go-spell" isn't gonna cut it...... |
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Post by giantsdodie on Sept 17, 2009 18:21:42 GMT -5
For the record I found the JB message board through another chat board and found that I liked the conversation that was there.
I have no issue whatsoever with a Christian minister having a make up line, a fragrance line, a computer business, a furniture store or whatever. I am one that believe that GOD has called us to have our own businesses.
Thats not the focal point for me.
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Post by kitty on Sept 17, 2009 19:59:06 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
Let me be sure to answer my own question.... I want my pastor to be the one who is focused on leading me to the Lord. Not one whose going to play upon my desire to follow the Lord as a way to make me a cash cow for their personal business...
I mean let's get real... Juanita isn't in a lab room somewhere making up foundations that will work just right... Nor is she trying balancing the combinations between alcohols oils and flowers to make a perfume.... She's "selling" her name to someone else so that they can sell a product.... She's selling her name to make a buck... Just like a celebrity, just like Cher, just like Britney or Jessica Simpson... Just like the rest of the World.
Now this is where we as Christians need to be concerned....
Why is she being approached to do this? And why is she willing to do it?
She's being approached because she has followers... because she has fans or fanatics as we shall call them. Why is she doing it? Because she hopes that all of you guys will follow in her in this venture the same way we line up to go to one of her conventions. Except for this time it's not for God...it's to line her pockets with cash. Because that how she views her supporters. Not as people she can help, not people for her to lead to the Lord... But cash cows to line her pockets.
Now don't get me wrong I believe Christians should have businesses and be successful. But that shouldn't be confused with leading people to God.... Either I'm leading them to salvation or I'm selling them Avon...
Which one is it?
And for the record.... It scares me that we don't have many Pastors like Martin Luther King Jr. around.... instead all we got is a bunch of hustlers!
Kitty
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Post by giantsdodie on Sept 17, 2009 20:20:03 GMT -5
And for the record.... It scares me that we don't have many Pastors like Martin Luther King Jr. around.... instead all we got is a bunch of hustlers! Kitty Oh there are many... they just arent all in the spotlight... Remember when Elijah thought he was the only one left God assured him there were 7,000 that had not bowed their knee to Baal or have kissed his lips... God has many who are doing HIS will... And we need to be prayerful for everyone.. |
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Post by anointed on Sept 17, 2009 21:37:26 GMT -5
1. Nikkol, I think you misread what I meant about the gospel being limited to only Jesus and the Cross. Here is an excerpt from a respected teacher of the Word who's name doesn't seem to be "tarnished" from His book "Rediscovering the Kingdom" (Myles Munroe). As you have a Berean spirit, this may make a good study of what the gospel accurately looked at really means. This in no way is a "slap" to Christianity and I took offense at this aspect of your response (and those who hastily responded without clarity) more than anything of the responses that I skimmed over, for I truly do love the Lord Jesus my Savior and seek to please and represent Him in every aspect of my life and in soundly understanding His Word that is my Life. Here is the excerpt:
Everywhere He went, Jesus preached the Kingdom. That was His assignment. Jesus primary message was not the born-again message that dominates gospel preaching. In His entire recorded ministry, Jesus spoke only once about being born again, and that was in the middle of the night to a Pharisee named Nicodemus who had come to Jesus privately. Being born again is the way into the Kingdom -it is the necessary first step. But the gospel of the Kingdom involved much more.
Not only did Jesus rarely speak about being born again, neither did He make these other themes the focus of His preaching: prosperity, healing, baptism in the Holy Spirit, or many of the other things we preach so much about today. Jesus taught about those things, and He demonstrated them in His day-by-day ministry, but He didn't preach them. There is a big difference. Jesus had only one message: the Kingdom of God. That was His assignment, and He passed it on to us. His assignment is our assignment.
He left the earthly realm in order to complete the work that He began. He sits on the throne of Heaven directing that through His representatives. Unfortunately, most of us do not really understand what Jesus meant when He spoke of the Kingdom. That is why we need to study closely His message so that we can preach it accurately and help fulfill His assignment in preparation for His return. As Jesus did, we need to proclaim that the Kingdom o fheaven is near, that God is working to restore us to our original and rightful place as His children, as heirs to His Kingdom, and as rulers of the earthly dominion.
2. Some have expressed a preacher must weigh which is more important: preaching or having an Avon line to build a name. I say why not do both? Is it a matter of weighing or understanding that the Holy Ghost gives us power in the earth and spirit realms? Do we not quote that God gives riches and life? Does not wisdom and knowledge cause one to walk in prosperity and riches? Does not God gives man ideas for witty inventions and prosperous plans? Do we not quote that the earth is God's and the fulness thereof? Does not the bible talk about men and women of God who he would make their name great and famed because of His blessing and favor upon them? But then when we have certain ministers who we may not care for as much doing these things, then all of a sudden they are off, of the world, prideful, or off balance. The bible tells us not to be "of" the world (immersed in sin) but we are still "in" the world to influence, prosper, and have dominion and authority that God graces us to wield. It is not a sin to succeed in your dreams and plans as long as Christ is your center and rock. I think we must understand that Jesus's intention in scripture was we must be ready and willing to give up all for Him IF He asked us to but never did he say we couldn't have those things in the first place. I think some read it as if you're going to serve Him then automatically, you can't have other things. Remember, the issue with the rich man was the discernment Jesus had of his heart. But again who am I. (Please don't feel the need to respond.)
I will say that I'm not here to sway one's feelings toward Juanita Bynum. If you feel she is off or missing it or off balanced or demented or having issues or suffering from a tarnished name or any other psychological or clinical issue, then I can respect (I guess) your intentions to pray for her. It's a new day and the only thing constant in the world is change. Again, you have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. But God has the final say and regardless of what a believer goes through in life and the chastisement that comes, life still goes on and God still has an assignment in the earth for all of us to do even after he gets through dealing with us and subsequent years of emerging from trials. Again, I just feel JB is done no justice and doesn't deserve much of the things that's said about her and this is long before this bio came out. I'm tired and actually have a long day tomorrow. Have a wonderful weekend, saints.
Again, please don't feel the need to respond to this post.
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 22, 2009 12:16:31 GMT -5
I found the quote below in an article regarding Juanita Bynum: she is going to receive therapy in front of a crowd  Christian celebrity Juanita Bynum returns after delinquent tax and marriage problems
By Nicole Hutcheson, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Thursday, August 27, 2009
For a four-day conference last week in Hampton, Va., Bynum announced that she would receive therapy in front of the crowd. Those who attended the sessions would be asked to sign confidentiality agreements.
Despite the emotional roller coaster Bynum has seemed to take her flock on, many remain strapped in for the ride. About 6,000 attended the Virginia conference, according to Bynum's site.
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Post by krazeeboi on Sept 22, 2009 13:14:42 GMT -5
Geesh, she can't even do something that's supposed to be private in a private setting. This woman is simply addicted to the attention.
I'm pretty sure some other responses will be more or less typical: "She's being open and transparent and showing that she's a human being with her own issues as well, so I commend her for that, blah, blah, blah..."
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 22, 2009 14:08:03 GMT -5
Geesh, she can't even do something that's supposed to be private in a private setting. This woman is simply addicted to the attention. I'm pretty sure some other responses will be more or less typical: "She's being open and transparent and showing that she's a human being with her own issues as well, so I commend her for that, blah, blah, blah..." Did she say she is having therapy in front of the congregation or is she anouncing she going to have therapy, to get through her issues, but privately. I am confused... cause it can be taken both ways. She always been transparent, that always been apart of her personality. Please explain.... what wrong with that... didn't someone said she need to come right out and confess... She have issues, she letting the world know and she getting help... Who here don't have issues... if you do, what are you doing about it?... If you don't... you is probably the first person I met issue free... |
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 22, 2009 15:43:20 GMT -5
AT the article states that JB is having therapy in front of the crowd and those who attend the session (session meaning therapy session) would have to sign a confidentiality agreement.......
I understand your need to defend Bynum but please stop all the personal attacks without first reading and understanding what is written............
KB only stated what is a known truth, counseling and therapy sessions are held in private.......
Honestly, I don't understand what counselor or licensed therapist would risk losing their credentials by holding a "public" therapy session......
AT in case you didn't know, due to privacy nature of counseling it is against the law for therapists to reveal the details of a counseling session even in a court of law...
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Post by anointedteacher on Sept 22, 2009 17:43:33 GMT -5
AT the article states that JB is having therapy in front of the crowd and those who attend the session (session meaning therapy session) would have to sign a confidentiality agreement....... I understand your need to defend Bynum but please stop all the personal attacks without first reading and understanding what is written............ What personal attack are U talking about? YOU all Stop the personal attacks... If you call that an attack! Not all therapy, many are done in groups... example anger management... AA, drugs etc... Now, I don't agree with the crowd thing... unless it is some form of worshop that will benefit everybody there... otherwise I question it. I am not going to down it completely, till I find out exactly what she doing and the type of therapy. Like Dr. Phil... he been doing it for years Dr. Phil is breaking the law, along with others.... I have seen many over the years on TV... and that's more than a crowd. |
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Post by stillfocused on Sept 22, 2009 20:23:28 GMT -5
Wow!! AT I will not respond to your last post..because you "think" that I am tearing her down. And you're right we all have sins and I am not excluded. For so long the things many call "issues" have been overlooked, swept under the rug, brushed asided, and whatever you want to call it. Sin is sin..sin is not a issue. An issue is something you don't want to own up to; face up; and admit that you have a problem and sadly, for some it's something you enjoy; because it brings you attention. A few weeks ago..I quietened my spirit and asked the Lord for his heart..and the things that grief his heart are the very things our leaders don't want to confess to before the Lord; yet, they will stand before man and confess it; because sometime they know that will overlook it; forgive them and not hold them accountable. After reading Giants last post from her website..I felt saddened because now it's "all about me and my accomplishments". People are turning away from church in groves and we're wondering why.
People want authenicity !! The Holy Spirit does not move in our services as he wishes because He is not allowed to. And honestly I am more about concerned about a younger generation know that there's more, desires more, and are left with a void because the one man wonders won't humble themselves in the presence of God and allow God to be God. Be careful how you exalt man..because God is exposing the hearts of men and their motives and everything ain't peaches and cream as many supposed they are..because the cream is spoiled and many don't care because they will eat it anyway..because of who the person is..
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Post by kanyon on Sept 22, 2009 21:38:17 GMT -5
I found the quote below in an article regarding Juanita Bynum: she is going to receive therapy in front of a crowd Christian celebrity Juanita Bynum returns after delinquent tax and marriage problems
By Nicole Hutcheson, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Thursday, August 27, 2009
For a four-day conference last week in Hampton, Va., Bynum announced that she would receive therapy in front of the crowd. Those who attended the sessions would be asked to sign confidentiality agreements.
Despite the emotional roller coaster Bynum has seemed to take her flock on, many remain strapped in for the ride. About 6,000 attended the Virginia conference, according to Bynum's site.
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Post by livinganewlife on Sept 22, 2009 22:16:10 GMT -5
AT the article states that JB is having therapy in front of the crowd and those who attend the session (session meaning therapy session) would have to sign a confidentiality agreement....... I understand your need to defend Bynum but please stop all the personal attacks without first reading and understanding what is written............ What personal attack are U talking about? YOU all Stop the personal attacks... If you call that an attack! Not all therapy, many are done in groups... example anger management... AA, drugs etc... Now, I don't agree with the crowd thing... unless it is some form of worshop that will benefit everybody there... otherwise I question it. I am not going to down it completely, till I find out exactly what she doing and the type of therapy. Like Dr. Phil... he been doing it for years Dr. Phil is breaking the law, along with others.... I have seen many over the years on TV... and that's more than a crowd. AT, Anger Management and AA are considered group therapy where everyone in the group is sharing their issues......not one person sitting with a therapist trying to heal from his/her personal issues..... In regards to Dr. Phil and Maury, it's funny you use these entertainers as a defense for Juanita Bynum............. |
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Post by Nikkol on Sept 23, 2009 7:12:52 GMT -5
FYI: Just read the policy for attending a Dr Phil show....nothing about...no confidentiality agreements listed.
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